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HelBen85 wrote:
Holger wrote:
Really? Many here just concentrate too much on BIF photography. The camera offers a lot more than this and it should be clear right now giving the many discussions here (which concentrate a bit too much on BIF ;-)).
Doesn't that count, too? Events, sports? What about the E-shutter performance, NO other manufacturer has so far? Flash sync in M-shutter or flicker detection + flash in E-shutter? Read out of 1/235s in E-shutter? Number AF calculation/s? FPS? Video modes and overheating performance....
A camera is more than just a single application. Nevertheless, the R5 is great value for the money and would be very high on my list in case of looking out for a system without being invested in a system and not earning my money with a specific brand. Wanting the best and extra performance always costs more.
Holger, I like the pictures of you and your wife very much and I also appreciate your expert assessments, so please don't get me wrong...
But I think you tend to generalize your opinion too much and I often have the feeling that you are rashly judging the models of other manufacturers (especially Canon) without having used them yourself seriously and for a long time.
In my opinion, the A1 is perhaps the best camera for BIF photos (you can show really nice pictures here!), but certainly not for all areas of photography.
For example landscape photography:
Here is a dynamic range comparison:
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R5,Sony%20ILCE-1,Sony%20ILCE-7R,Sony%20ILCE-7RM3
The 3 most important parameters regarding image quality for me are dynamic range (and noise) and resolution. In my opinion, this applies to most areas of photography. And in all of these areas, the A1 isn't the best camera out there, by no means.
Sorry but FPS under optimal conditions with certain lenses and memory cards, calculations / s, etc, does not compensate (for me).
Another not insignificant parameter is the stabilizer. According to reliable reports from Jordan, for example, who has many years of experience with both systems, Canon is way ahead here. I have also photographed a few weddings and find a (good) stabilizer very helpful, e.g. for effects or for pictures like bridal couple at fireworks, in the middle of sparklers, ...
And I am excited to observe how things look regarding the subject of sensor dust and the A1. Here you can see an example from Fred:
Fred Miranda wrote:
Here are some sunstar examples: ...
#6
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1682772/1#15468376
You can see the countless dust spots with which you have to deal with the newer Sony cameras as a landscape photographer with smaller apertures (at least with the A7 series).
I'm also excited about the subject of overheating: Good friends of mine earn their money with fine art long time exposures (usually from 1 minute to almost unlimited). They have tested A7R2, R3 and R4 and because of the strong thermal noise caused by overheating, these cameras are much worse in this discipline than an A7R1 or many DSLRs, for example.
Of course the A1 is a great camera and things like flash sync, fast read out, ... or the viewfinder would also appeal to me. And if I were a sports or BIF photographer, I'd already have the camera.
But for most of the other areas, sorry, I'm a little disappointed.
So I wish you a lot of fun with your A1, but I doubt whether you will really use the best camera for your special pictures with the sum of its properties.
Your opinion is appreciated, of course.
We should not forget, that your DR comparison shows the Canon using NR. Bill Claff, who produced this measurement discussed it at DPR and estimated the R5/R6 to artificially boost DR at base iso by about 2/3 of a stop. You can use NR using the A1, too, if you like.
The camera I think still provides the best price/performance ratio here is the A7r3, which you included in the PDR plot, too. Only shooting landscapes, I wouldn't use an A1 but stick with A7riv or A7r3.
It all depends on your use case. The A1 for me is the perfect allrounder and allows me to do things, sometimes not but often in a class leading way, but almost, with differences being oftentimes too small in real life to matter, unless your emphasis puts the largest weights on something like base iso DR, which of course is legitimate. When looking at the DPR shadow push comparison, I think one can see, too, that the Canon doesn't show the advantage and AA filter + NR are visible in producing clearly softer images in my opinion:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr134_0=sony_a1&attr134_1=sony_a7riii&attr134_2=sony_a7riv&attr134_3=canon_eosr5&attr136_0=1&attr136_1=1&attr136_2=1&attr136_3=1&attr176_0=efc&attr176_1=on&attr176_3=efc&normalization=compare&widget=806&x=-0.8856935003968012&y=0.25735315614124205.
In the discussion before my point was to show, that the A1 is worth the money, because it provides features no other can and mostly being associated to the sensor, the most expensive part of the camera. If those features are not that important to you, then this camera shouldn't be on your list and the R5/R6 may be a better body, esp. if best performing IBIS is mandatory. I always need a minimum SS even when shooting the sparkler exit etc. and IBIS is of no importance for me there, the IBIS Sony provides is more than enough, for longer exposure I prefer tripods.
I cannot quite understand why you are disappointed, but o.k., everybody is different. I am very excited about this camera. Providing a stacked sensor with such a fantastic DR and such features is quite a technological breakthrough. It just can't be class-leading in every respect.
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