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p.9 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
Keep your eye on the field.
https://petapixel.com/2021/02/05/sony-sony-alpha-1-to-be-used-in-cbss-super-bowl-lv-coverage/
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Feb 06, 2021 at 06:28 AM
p.9 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less data
arbitrage wrote:
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
I still like the magnified view that APS-C mode brings and very likely the Bird Eye-AF will activate easier/more often when in APS-C mode like it does on the R5. I even noted that in Alex's video that as he cropped in the eye-af grabbed his figure's eye where it didn't in FF. Also since I'm planning to just run V90 SD at first, the APS-C option will make that easier. Of course for my very first A1 test on the swallows in flight it will be FF all the way for the extra FOV.
arbitrage wrote:
buffalowolff wrote
Your link didn't work for me but here:https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Holger wrote
Video from Alex Phan about switching from FF to APSC mode while buffer is clearing.Feb 06, 2021 at 06:29 AM
p.9 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less data
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
I still like the magnified view that APS-C mode brings and very likely the Bird Eye-AF will activate easier/more often when in APS-C mode like it does on the R5. I even noted that in Alex's video that as he cropped in the eye-af grabbed his figure's eye where it didn't in FF. Also since I'm planning to just run V90 SD at first, the APS-C option will make that easier. Of course for my very first A1 test on the swallows in flight it will be FF all the way for the extra FOV.
I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them? I think there are just as many AF points working in APS-C vs FF which would mean that for a given subject at a given distance with a given lens that there would be more AF data going in for a given area that the subject takes up on the sensor. So maybe it is processing the same amount of data but now a higher % of that data is coming from your subject??
Not sure if that is correct or not??
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That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less data
arbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
Your link didn't work for me but here:https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Holger wrote
Video from Alex Phan about switching from FF to APSC mode while buffer is clearing.I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them? I think there are just as many AF points working in APS-C vs FF which would mean that for a given subject at a given distance with a given lens that there would be more AF data going in for a given area that the subject takes up on the sensor. So maybe it is processing the same amount of data but now a higher % of that data is coming from your subject??
Not sure if that is correct or not??
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Feb 06, 2021 at 06:34 AM
p.9 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
I've also seen that, on a couple of videos iirc.
arbitrage wrote:
I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them?
arbitrage wrote:
I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them?
Feb 06, 2021 at 06:42 AM
p.9 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
If that's not a typo then it's kind of awesome.
arbitrage wrote:
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
I still like the magnified view that APS-C mode brings and very likely the Bird Eye-AF will activate easier/more often when in APS-C mode like it does on the R5. I even noted that in Alex's video that as he cropped in the eye-af grabbed his figure's eye where it didn't in FF. Also since I'm planning to just run V90 SD at first, the APS-C option will make that easier. Of course for my very first A1 test on the swallows in flight it will be FF all the way for the extra FOV.I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them? I think there are just as many AF points working in APS-C vs FF which would mean that for a given subject at a given distance with a given lens that there would be more AF data going in for a given area that the subject takes up on the sensor. So maybe it is processing the same...Show more →
arbitrage wrote:
buffalowolff wrote
That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less dataarbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
Your link didn't work for me but here:https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Holger wrote
Video from Alex Phan about switching from FF to APSC mode while buffer is clearing.Feb 06, 2021 at 06:47 AM
p.9 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
If that's not a typo then it's kind of awesome.
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
I still like the magnified view that APS-C mode brings and very likely the Bird Eye-AF will activate easier/more often when in APS-C mode like it does on the R5. I even noted that in Alex's video that as he cropped in the eye-af grabbed his figure's eye where it didn't in FF. Also since I'm planning to just run V90 SD at first, the APS-C option will make that easier. Of course for my very first A1 test on the swallows in flight it will be FF all the way for the extra FOV.I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them? I think there are just as many AF points working in APS-C vs FF which would mean that for a given subject at a given distance with a given lens that there would be more AF data going in for a given area that the subject takes up on the sensor. So maybe it is processing the same amount of data but now a higher % of that data is coming from your subject??
Not sure if that is correct or not??
Do you recall any videos that show the EVF feed in Wide or Zone while in APS-C mode (without Eye-AF or RTT taking over)?
If that's not a typo then it's kind of awesome.
arbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less dataarbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
Your link didn't work for me but here:https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Holger wrote
Video from Alex Phan about switching from FF to APSC mode while buffer is clearing.Not sure if that is correct or not??
Do you recall any videos that show the EVF feed in Wide or Zone while in APS-C mode (without Eye-AF or RTT taking over)?
Feb 06, 2021 at 06:53 AM
p.9 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
Right now I need two things to happen: Adobe to come out with a beta DNG converter with support for A1 and dpreview to do their ISO sweep in the Studio shoots. Then I will open a bottle of good Italian Barolo, download the RAW files and inspect the noise characteristics at different ISO values and give the base ISO 100 some torture tests to get some feeling for the DR.
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:03 AM
p.9 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:07 AM
p.9 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
Not off the top of my head. Crop mode is an afterthought it seems for many of the reviewers.
arbitrage wrote:
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.I still like the magnified view that APS-C mode brings and very likely the Bird Eye-AF will activate easier/more often when in APS-C mode like it does on the R5. I even noted that in Alex's video that as he cropped in the eye-af grabbed his figure's eye where it didn't in FF. Also since I'm planning to just run V90 SD at first, the APS-C option will make that easier. Of course for my very first A1 test on the swallows in flight it will be FF all the way for the extra FOV.I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them? I think there are just as many AF points working in APS-C vs FF which would mean that for a given subject at a given distance with a given lens that there would be more AF data going in for a given area that the subject takes up on the sensor. So maybe it is processing the same amount of data but now a higher % of that data is coming from your subject??
Not sure if that is correct or not??Do you recall any videos that show the EVF feed in Wide or Zone while in APS-C mode (without Eye-AF or RTT taking over)?
arbitrage wrote:
buffalowolff wrote
If that's not a typo then it's kind of awesome.arbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less dataarbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
Your link didn't work for me but here:https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Not sure if that is correct or not??
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:08 AM
p.9 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
This one has a book case ISO test from RAW files through Imaging Edge and out as TIFF. Claiming to have no NR but the lack of chroma noise tells me that something happened as far as NR at some stage of producing these files shown at the end of the video:
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:29 AM
p.9 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
Your link didn't work for me but here:
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Thanks, changed it.
Your link didn't work for me but here:
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Holger wrote
Video from Alex Phan about switching from FF to APSC mode while buffer is clearing.Thanks, changed it.
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:43 AM
p.9 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
This one has a book case ISO test from RAW files through Imaging Edge and out as TIFF. Claiming to have no NR but the lack of chroma noise tells me that something happened as far as NR at some stage of producing these files shown at the end of the video:
Imaging edge has Auto NR set as default. I can't understand why a simple thing can be so complicated. It is one click to set it to off.
This one has a book case ISO test from RAW files through Imaging Edge and out as TIFF. Claiming to have no NR but the lack of chroma noise tells me that something happened as far as NR at some stage of producing these files shown at the end of the video:
Imaging edge has Auto NR set as default. I can't understand why a simple thing can be so complicated. It is one click to set it to off.
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:51 AM
p.9 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
Stoffer wrote:
Right now I need two things to happen: Adobe to come out with a beta DNG converter with support for A1 and dpreview to do their ISO sweep in the Studio shoots. Then I will open a bottle of good Italian Barolo, download the RAW files and inspect the noise characteristics at different ISO values and give the base ISO 100 some torture tests to get some feeling for the DR.
I wouldn't pay too much attention on that comparison. Dpreview equalizes brightness and white balance before they post the results. So what you see is not ACR default settings and the comparisons are more or less unreliable unless the file curves are similar. Try it with canon R5 and sony A7RIV. I downloaded the raw files and opened them on ACR. The grey tones are far from similar. Dpreview has equalised them and this means a lot when you compare noise. The file having had reduced brightness benefits from underexposure in terms of noise. The one with increased brightness shows more noise.
Right now I need two things to happen: Adobe to come out with a beta DNG converter with support for A1 and dpreview to do their ISO sweep in the Studio shoots. Then I will open a bottle of good Italian Barolo, download the RAW files and inspect the noise characteristics at different ISO values and give the base ISO 100 some torture tests to get some feeling for the DR.
I wouldn't pay too much attention on that comparison. Dpreview equalizes brightness and white balance before they post the results. So what you see is not ACR default settings and the comparisons are more or less unreliable unless the file curves are similar. Try it with canon R5 and sony A7RIV. I downloaded the raw files and opened them on ACR. The grey tones are far from similar. Dpreview has equalised them and this means a lot when you compare noise. The file having had reduced brightness benefits from underexposure in terms of noise. The one with increased brightness shows more noise.
Feb 06, 2021 at 08:02 AM
p.9 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
Stoffer wrote:
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
+1. Exactly. Or before even considering whether I want it.
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
+1. Exactly. Or before even considering whether I want it.
Feb 06, 2021 at 08:06 AM
p.9 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
Stoffer wrote:
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
Nils, the A1 has a Sony sensor and Sony has made this kind of sensor a few times before. And quite successfully, I may add. It is not like Sony is a new player in town. How much of a difference would there be between this camera and other Sony cameras? Plus, I would rely more on real-life images more rather than bench test results anyway.
I would go ahead and talk to your wife or at least, start dropping hints here and there in the beginning and more frequently as the availability of this camera draws closer and closer
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Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
Nils, the A1 has a Sony sensor and Sony has made this kind of sensor a few times before. And quite successfully, I may add. It is not like Sony is a new player in town. How much of a difference would there be between this camera and other Sony cameras? Plus, I would rely more on real-life images more rather than bench test results anyway.
I would go ahead and talk to your wife or at least, start dropping hints here and there in the beginning and more frequently as the availability of this camera draws closer and closer
.Feb 06, 2021 at 08:23 AM
p.9 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Why is TN so obsessed with the 30FPS number?
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I think I can answer that one. TN is obsessed on whatever will drive clicks. What he wants is a sensational titles to draw clicks so he will always find "major issues" or "big fails" on high profile releases. He is not a reviewer, he is a professional click baiter. I rarely watch one of his videos without ending up wanting my time back.
Take the title from the video he posted the day before the A1 release for instance: "NO Curved sensors are coming... TOMORROW! Sony's camera LEAKED". He wasted time for the more than 100000 people who clicked it, and he got his precious clicks.
Why is TN so obsessed with the 30FPS number?
...
I think I can answer that one. TN is obsessed on whatever will drive clicks. What he wants is a sensational titles to draw clicks so he will always find "major issues" or "big fails" on high profile releases. He is not a reviewer, he is a professional click baiter. I rarely watch one of his videos without ending up wanting my time back.
Take the title from the video he posted the day before the A1 release for instance: "NO Curved sensors are coming... TOMORROW! Sony's camera LEAKED". He wasted time for the more than 100000 people who clicked it, and he got his precious clicks.
Feb 06, 2021 at 08:45 AM
p.9 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
baltmin wrote:
I wouldn't pay too much attention on that comparison. Dpreview equalizes brightness and white balance before they post the results. So what you see is not ACR default settings and the comparisons are more or less unreliable unless the file curves are similar. Try it with canon R5 and sony A7RIV. I downloaded the raw files and opened them on ACR. The grey tones are far from similar. Dpreview has equalised them and this means a lot when you compare noise. The file having had reduced brightness benefits from underexposure in terms of noise. The one with increased brightness shows...Show more →
I don't get your issue with the dpreview approach. If the visual impression of the overall image differs, a visual comparison of the noise within is practically meaningless. E.g. an image rendered darker will appear to have less noise simply because the noise is darker, too.
Stoffer wrote
Right now I need two things to happen: Adobe to come out with a beta DNG converter with support for A1 and dpreview to do their ISO sweep in the Studio shoots. Then I will open a bottle of good Italian Barolo, download the RAW files and inspect the noise characteristics at different ISO values and give the base ISO 100 some torture tests to get some feeling for the DR.I don't get your issue with the dpreview approach. If the visual impression of the overall image differs, a visual comparison of the noise within is practically meaningless. E.g. an image rendered darker will appear to have less noise simply because the noise is darker, too.
Feb 06, 2021 at 08:55 AM
p.9 #18A1 Reviews/Video thread
AGeoJO wrote:
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!Nils, the A1 has a Sony sensor and Sony has made this kind of sensor a few times before. And quite successfully, I may add. It is not like Sony is a new player in town. How much of a difference would there be between this camera and other Sony cameras? Plus, I would rely more on real-life images more rather than bench test results anyway.
I would go ahead and talk to your wife or at least, start dropping hints here and there in the beginning and more frequently as the availability of this camera draws closer and closer.
Not to mention that the A1 can be argued as being the cheapest camera ever.....how so, you say?....well because once you have an A1 there is no reason to own any other Sony camera....so you can just sell off your current gear and the net cost of an A1 will be next to nothing!! Heck, some may even come out ahead and can buy another lens
A9 vs A1: only argument I can see is the high-ISO at pixel level noise....well when you really need that just downsample your A1 file and you'll be no worse off (probably better actually)
A7SIII vs A1: I thought this one would still favour the SIII for those not wanting 8K...but after watching Undone's video that doesn't seem to be the case
A7RIV vs A1: This one has a case if you want 11MPs more...but that is about it...
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Stoffer wrote
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
I would go ahead and talk to your wife or at least, start dropping hints here and there in the beginning and more frequently as the availability of this camera draws closer and closer
.Not to mention that the A1 can be argued as being the cheapest camera ever.....how so, you say?....well because once you have an A1 there is no reason to own any other Sony camera....so you can just sell off your current gear and the net cost of an A1 will be next to nothing!! Heck, some may even come out ahead and can buy another lens
A9 vs A1: only argument I can see is the high-ISO at pixel level noise....well when you really need that just downsample your A1 file and you'll be no worse off (probably better actually)
A7SIII vs A1: I thought this one would still favour the SIII for those not wanting 8K...but after watching Undone's video that doesn't seem to be the case
A7RIV vs A1: This one has a case if you want 11MPs more...but that is about it...
Edited on Feb 06, 2021 at 09:06 AM · View previous versions
Feb 06, 2021 at 09:02 AM
p.9 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
Stoffer wrote:
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
Is she withholding her approval until you get her real solid noise data ??
Also looking forward to the DR measurements from Bill Claff.
The noise characteristics for this new sensor is probably the thing I’m most interested in before moving on to the next big step, talking to the wife!
Is she withholding her approval until you get her real solid noise data ??
Feb 06, 2021 at 09:03 AM
p.9 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
I still like the magnified view that APS-C mode brings and very likely the Bird Eye-AF will activate easier/more often when in APS-C mode like it does on the R5. I even noted that in Alex's video that as he cropped in the eye-af grabbed his figure's eye where it didn't in FF. Also since I'm planning to just run V90 SD at first, the APS-C option will make that easier. Of course for my very first A1 test on the swallows in flight it will be FF all the way for the extra FOV.I also think I read (but could be mistaken) that unlike the past Sony bodies when you are in APS-C mode and using Wide or Zone that the dancing AF points stay close together instead of having the extra spacing between them? I think there are just as many AF points working in APS-C vs FF which would mean that for a given subject at a given distance with a given lens that there would be more AF data going in for a given area that the subject takes up on the sensor. So maybe it is processing the same...Show more →
Sounds plausible, at least I can see how that might work. What I have a harder time wrapping my head around is why that would break simply because a lens isn't a true FF lens that happens to be cropped vs an APSC lens that must be cropped. My current hypotheses is that this uses light from the outer edge of the image circle, which would be completely dark for an APSC lens. Nah, doesn't work either.
buffalowolff wrote
That's a good point regarding eye af. I assume that's a function of having to proceed less dataarbitrage wrote
buffalowolff wrote
Your link didn't work for me but here:https://youtu.be/gej2TB7ND-U
Super happy about that but..... I'll probably use crop a whole lot less now that we can get high shutter speeds in FF. For me at least cropping was a way to work around the terrible buffering on the RIV.
Holger wrote
Video from Alex Phan about switching from FF to APSC mode while buffer is clearing.Sounds plausible, at least I can see how that might work. What I have a harder time wrapping my head around is why that would break simply because a lens isn't a true FF lens that happens to be cropped vs an APSC lens that must be cropped. My current hypotheses is that this uses light from the outer edge of the image circle, which would be completely dark for an APSC lens. Nah, doesn't work either.
Feb 06, 2021 at 09:08 AM