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p.36 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
I think the noise level is high. But cleans up pretty well. The red robin pic at ISO 5000 is really bad. May be it's not too different from D500/D850. But I feel it's worse.
Zero NR in Edit and PS. Just cropped at 100% viewHere is that one compared to something similar I pulled out of my archives....turned off all sharpening and NR in LR.
These were all cropped to ~3500px wide
Was the +0.7 added in addition or did it end up to iso 5000?
Irrespective, the Sony file looks very good in comparison.
Jemini wrote
arbitrage wrote
I couldn't believe how sharp this image was even with all sharpening zeroed out in LR. This is processed with sharpening and NR in LR but I didn't use Topaz DN for it...Zero NR in Edit and PS. Just cropped at 100% view
These were all cropped to ~3500px wide
Was the +0.7 added in addition or did it end up to iso 5000?
Irrespective, the Sony file looks very good in comparison.
Feb 27, 2021 at 05:30 PM
p.36 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
I think the noise level is high. But cleans up pretty well. The red robin pic at ISO 5000 is really bad. May be it's not too different from D500/D850. But I feel it's worse.
Zero NR in Edit and PS. Just cropped at 100% viewHere is that one compared to something similar I pulled out of my archives....turned off all sharpening and NR in LR.
These were all cropped to ~3500px wideWas the +0.7 added in addition or did it end up to iso 5000?
Irrespective, the Sony file looks very good in comparison.
It's in the Exif. Anyway from this comparison A1 looks better than others.
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
arbitrage wrote
I couldn't believe how sharp this image was even with all sharpening zeroed out in LR. This is processed with sharpening and NR in LR but I didn't use Topaz DN for it...Zero NR in Edit and PS. Just cropped at 100% view
These were all cropped to ~3500px wide
Irrespective, the Sony file looks very good in comparison.
It's in the Exif. Anyway from this comparison A1 looks better than others.
Feb 27, 2021 at 06:06 PM
p.36 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
Comparing arbitrage images, the A1 does look cleaner. Maybe by 1/3-2/3rds of stop. Not mind blowing but very good
Feb 27, 2021 at 06:13 PM
p.36 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
+ 0.7 is just what the EC dial would have been set at on the camera. Has no bearing on the ISO. But darker colors will look worse so the greens in the A7RIV file I posted will always look worse as they are underexposed.
Holger wrote:
I think the noise level is high. But cleans up pretty well. The red robin pic at ISO 5000 is really bad. May be it's not too different from D500/D850. But I feel it's worse.
Zero NR in Edit and PS. Just cropped at 100% viewHere is that one compared to something similar I pulled out of my archives....turned off all sharpening and NR in LR.
These were all cropped to ~3500px wideWas the +0.7 added in addition or did it end up to iso 5000?
Irrespective, the Sony file looks very good in comparison.
Holger wrote:
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
arbitrage wrote
I couldn't believe how sharp this image was even with all sharpening zeroed out in LR. This is processed with sharpening and NR in LR but I didn't use Topaz DN for it...Zero NR in Edit and PS. Just cropped at 100% view
These were all cropped to ~3500px wide
Irrespective, the Sony file looks very good in comparison.
Feb 27, 2021 at 06:20 PM
p.36 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
Not mine. I was offered the 160 card for $450 CAD instead of $520 retail. Still not going to buy one.
ShootPDX wrote:
Are many people’s camera shops throwing in the the 80GB card with their order?
Feb 27, 2021 at 06:21 PM
p.36 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
For a more fair comparison here are the four cameras with all LR NR and Sharpening off from the DPR Test scene RAW files.
Feb 27, 2021 at 09:18 PM
p.36 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
R5 looks like there’s some noise reduction on there
Feb 27, 2021 at 11:04 PM
p.36 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
i would love it to see the af tests. i would like to know if what julia trotti and TN say are true that the a1 does eyelash more than iris when you do eye af
also. do we already have a definitive iso test for a1 vs a7r3? i didnt go for the a7r4 due to worse iso performance
also. do we already have a definitive iso test for a1 vs a7r3? i didnt go for the a7r4 due to worse iso performance
Feb 28, 2021 at 12:57 AM
p.36 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
Does A1 rear LCD support multi-touch for pinch to zoom when viewing photos?
Feb 28, 2021 at 01:56 AM
p.36 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Not mine. I was offered the 160 card for $450 CAD instead of $520 retail. Still not going to buy one.
Im getting a 160GB one with my A1, however I will put it up for sale afterwards or convince the retailer to deduct it....
Im in into CFE A, when they hit 256GB with ~300$
Not mine. I was offered the 160 card for $450 CAD instead of $520 retail. Still not going to buy one.
ShootPDX wrote
Are many people’s camera shops throwing in the the 80GB card with their order?Im getting a 160GB one with my A1, however I will put it up for sale afterwards or convince the retailer to deduct it....
Im in into CFE A, when they hit 256GB with ~300$
Feb 28, 2021 at 04:52 AM
p.36 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.
Feb 28, 2021 at 06:09 AM
p.36 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
nobody23 wrote:
Im getting a 160GB one with my A1, however I will put it up for sale afterwards or convince the retailer to deduct it....
Im in into CFE A, when they hit 256GB with ~300$
Lucky (or did you have to push your dealer a bit for that deal
)! I thought that promotion is only for Asia... here the shops I called gave me basically the same answer (it's a premium product available in quantities limited only to preorders, so no promotion anytime soon - we'll see how true that turns out to be...).
arbitrage wrote
Not mine. I was offered the 160 card for $450 CAD instead of $520 retail. Still not going to buy one.ShootPDX wrote
Are many people’s camera shops throwing in the the 80GB card with their order?Im in into CFE A, when they hit 256GB with ~300$
Lucky (or did you have to push your dealer a bit for that deal
)! I thought that promotion is only for Asia... here the shops I called gave me basically the same answer (it's a premium product available in quantities limited only to preorders, so no promotion anytime soon - we'll see how true that turns out to be...).Feb 28, 2021 at 06:33 AM
p.36 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
baltmin wrote:
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.
Thanks for sharing that. For those interested in BEAF he has some footage of it starting at 8:20. At the end of that (10:57) he shows a brief segment of the Canon R5 trying for the BEAF on the flamingo heads. As you can see it isn't much more reliable than the A1. Both have issues.
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.
Thanks for sharing that. For those interested in BEAF he has some footage of it starting at 8:20. At the end of that (10:57) he shows a brief segment of the Canon R5 trying for the BEAF on the flamingo heads. As you can see it isn't much more reliable than the A1. Both have issues.
Feb 28, 2021 at 07:29 AM
p.36 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
ajamils wrote:
Does A1 rear LCD support multi-touch for pinch to zoom when viewing photos?
I'm about 99.9% sure it does although the online help guide does not spell it out exactly. It says you can zoom with touch feature but doesn't specifically say pinch to zoom. I did see pinch to zoom referenced in regards to the A7SIII so that should be the same on the A1.
Does A1 rear LCD support multi-touch for pinch to zoom when viewing photos?
I'm about 99.9% sure it does although the online help guide does not spell it out exactly. It says you can zoom with touch feature but doesn't specifically say pinch to zoom. I did see pinch to zoom referenced in regards to the A7SIII so that should be the same on the A1.
Feb 28, 2021 at 07:33 AM
p.36 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.Thanks for sharing that. For those interested in BEAF he has some footage of it starting at 8:20. At the end of that (10:57) he shows a brief segment of the Canon R5 trying for the BEAF on the flamingo heads. As you can see it isn't much more reliable than the A1. Both have issues.
I realised the same. A1 is more sticky on the head although it doesn't recognise the eye as frequently as the R5 does. On the contrary, R5 loses the subject quite often, jumps on other birds or focuses nowhere. Do you think this is because wide focus area has been used for the R5?
Given the fact that zone is probably best for sony cameras in this type of subjects (maybe for R5 as well?), conflicting results in such comparisons could be explained by different focusing area used?
baltmin wrote
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.
I realised the same. A1 is more sticky on the head although it doesn't recognise the eye as frequently as the R5 does. On the contrary, R5 loses the subject quite often, jumps on other birds or focuses nowhere. Do you think this is because wide focus area has been used for the R5?
Given the fact that zone is probably best for sony cameras in this type of subjects (maybe for R5 as well?), conflicting results in such comparisons could be explained by different focusing area used?
Feb 28, 2021 at 07:47 AM
p.36 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
baltmin wrote:
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.Thanks for sharing that. For those interested in BEAF he has some footage of it starting at 8:20. At the end of that (10:57) he shows a brief segment of the Canon R5 trying for the BEAF on the flamingo heads. As you can see it isn't much more reliable than the A1. Both have issues.I realised the same. A1 is more sticky on the head although it doesn't recognise the eye as frequently as the R5 does. On the contrary, R5 loses the subject quite often, jumps on other birds or focuses nowhere. Do you think this is because wide focus area has been used for the R5?
Given the fact that zone is probably best for sony cameras in this type of subjects (maybe for R5 as well?), conflicting results in such comparisons could be explained by different focusing area used?
The problem with the R5 is you only have two choices in how to activate BEAF. You either use the entire sensor (Auto) so that the AF system looks over the entire frame or you use the Single point square where it only looks within that square. With the A1 you can use any of the AF modes to initiate Eye-AF which IMO makes it a much more flexible and therefore powerful system (if it ends up recognizing eyes in the end).
In the video with the flamingos he is using the Single Point method on the R5 so it is only looking for eyes where he aims the white square. But it then tracks over the entire frame if it keeps recognizing the eye. R5 is Face/Tracking with Eye-AF On so I think when it loses the eye it randomly jumps to track something which in some cases is background or another unintended flamingo.
arbitrage wrote
baltmin wrote
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.
Given the fact that zone is probably best for sony cameras in this type of subjects (maybe for R5 as well?), conflicting results in such comparisons could be explained by different focusing area used?
The problem with the R5 is you only have two choices in how to activate BEAF. You either use the entire sensor (Auto) so that the AF system looks over the entire frame or you use the Single point square where it only looks within that square. With the A1 you can use any of the AF modes to initiate Eye-AF which IMO makes it a much more flexible and therefore powerful system (if it ends up recognizing eyes in the end).
In the video with the flamingos he is using the Single Point method on the R5 so it is only looking for eyes where he aims the white square. But it then tracks over the entire frame if it keeps recognizing the eye. R5 is Face/Tracking with Eye-AF On so I think when it loses the eye it randomly jumps to track something which in some cases is background or another unintended flamingo.
Feb 28, 2021 at 08:40 AM
p.36 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
I'm viewing the BEAF on the A1 as a nice bonus. On my A9ii I rarely used tracking for BIF. I use non-tracking wide or zone which disallows any eye af. On the A1 BEAF works in all focus options and on normal zone will track eyes (if it finds them) outside of the zone box per vids posted by Alex Phan. Icing on the cake for my shooting needs. I am most jazzed about the faster focusing speeds and 50 mp sensor.
Feb 28, 2021 at 08:57 AM
p.36 #18A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.Thanks for sharing that. For those interested in BEAF he has some footage of it starting at 8:20. At the end of that (10:57) he shows a brief segment of the Canon R5 trying for the BEAF on the flamingo heads. As you can see it isn't much more reliable than the A1. Both have issues.
Being in a similar situation with the R5 I have put it in crop mode and it seemed to find the eye better then go back out to full frame and it stayed with the eye better. I would assume the A1 will do the same. Looking at a few of the videos I think the A1 and with using the R5 they are not perfect but they are fun to use. Congrats Sony users.
baltmin wrote
Extensive testing (in French), but auto translation works.
Being in a similar situation with the R5 I have put it in crop mode and it seemed to find the eye better then go back out to full frame and it stayed with the eye better. I would assume the A1 will do the same. Looking at a few of the videos I think the A1 and with using the R5 they are not perfect but they are fun to use. Congrats Sony users.
Feb 28, 2021 at 09:00 AM
p.36 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
It appears at least a few here have the R5 but are considering the A1. I'm curious as to why one would want to have both systems or possibly switch to using the A1. What is it about the R5 that leaves you craving for something else? No camera is perfect but it would seem the R5 checks most of the boxes.
Feb 28, 2021 at 10:01 AM
p.36 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
One tid-bit I just learned about the A1... The embedded jpg in raw files is now full-size! This is great for those like myself who use Photo Mechanic to quickly go through raw files to determine critical sharpness.
Feb 28, 2021 at 10:16 AM