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p.15 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
abase21 wrote:
..I think we should not expect too much on ISO performance - if you compare images taken with the A7R4 (JPGs) - for me it is the same level, the A1 is not better. But we will see closer in a few weeks...
I expect The A1 to be half stop better than the RIV. This is what the pixel pitch indicates, as the 42mp A7rIII is almost 1 stop better than the IV when you compare them full size.
If A1 exceeds this rather conservative prediction, I would be more than happy.
..I think we should not expect too much on ISO performance - if you compare images taken with the A7R4 (JPGs) - for me it is the same level, the A1 is not better. But we will see closer in a few weeks...
I expect The A1 to be half stop better than the RIV. This is what the pixel pitch indicates, as the 42mp A7rIII is almost 1 stop better than the IV when you compare them full size.
If A1 exceeds this rather conservative prediction, I would be more than happy.
Feb 08, 2021 at 01:05 PM
p.15 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Bee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.
I didn't think about that. Just did. It's definitely way better than above example. I think they are slightly better than D500 for studio shots. In my experience the studio samples are always better than real life.
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
James GanBee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/
I didn't think about that. Just did. It's definitely way better than above example. I think they are slightly better than D500 for studio shots. In my experience the studio samples are always better than real life.
Feb 08, 2021 at 01:18 PM
p.15 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
saxguy wrote:
Bee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the...Show more →
I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
James GanBee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the...Show more →
I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
Feb 08, 2021 at 01:43 PM
p.15 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Bee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows...Show more →
Base ISO at 64? I think someone is used to shoot with Nikon, probably D850....
saxguy wrote
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
James GanBee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows...Show more →
Base ISO at 64? I think someone is used to shoot with Nikon, probably D850....
Feb 08, 2021 at 01:51 PM
p.15 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
Stoffer wrote:
Bee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:Base ISO at 64? I think someone is used to shoot with Nikon, probably D850....
Yeah I noticed that also
arbitrage wrote
saxguy wrote
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
James GanBee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
Yeah I noticed that also
Feb 08, 2021 at 02:39 PM
p.15 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Bee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows...Show more →
Focussed on different parts of the flower. Unless raw is used and shots are normalized like in the DPreview scene, it doesn't make much sense to speculate.
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
saxguy wrote
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
James GanBee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows...Show more →
Focussed on different parts of the flower. Unless raw is used and shots are normalized like in the DPreview scene, it doesn't make much sense to speculate.
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
Feb 08, 2021 at 03:06 PM
p.15 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
Bee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:Focussed on different parts of the flower. Unless raw is used and shots are normalized like in the DPreview scene, it doesn't make much sense to speculate.
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
The R5 looks better to me at all ISOs over the A7RIV in that comparison even when using the "Comp" feature so they are equal magnification. The color noise is more splotchy and thicker splotches on the A7RIV file. Overall sharpness of the fine print looks about equal with slight edge to the RIV.
arbitrage wrote
saxguy wrote
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
Holger wrote
James GanBee-Eater
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonyalpha1/permalink/3506491349478741/
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
The R5 looks better to me at all ISOs over the A7RIV in that comparison even when using the "Comp" feature so they are equal magnification. The color noise is more splotchy and thicker splotches on the A7RIV file. Overall sharpness of the fine print looks about equal with slight edge to the RIV.
Feb 08, 2021 at 04:05 PM
p.15 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:Focussed on different parts of the flower. Unless raw is used and shots are normalized like in the DPreview scene, it doesn't make much sense to speculate.
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026The R5 looks better to me at all ISOs over the A7RIV in that comparison even when using the "Comp" feature so they are equal magnification. The color noise is more splotchy and thicker splotches on the A7RIV file. Overall sharpness of the fine print looks about equal with slight edge to the RIV.
I disagree completely. The R5 shows more noise for me in the darker shadows. If I look at the dark hair of the lady to the left in the night scene, the money below and go to 12800 or 25600 iso, there clearly more noise in the R5 scene.
The R6 looks clearly better, though.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riv&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=sony_a7riv&attr13_3=canon_eosr5&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.20900898268844523&y=-0.667243337013921
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riv&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=sony_a7riv&attr13_3=canon_eosr5&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.9123905967450272&y=0.287516865454153
Holger wrote
arbitrage wrote
saxguy wrote
arbitrage wrote
Jemini wrote
I know it's not a great idea to judge the IQ based on jpgs. But honestly the noise on this shot at ISO 1250 is not that encouraging.I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
I disagree completely. The R5 shows more noise for me in the darker shadows. If I look at the dark hair of the lady to the left in the night scene, the money below and go to 12800 or 25600 iso, there clearly more noise in the R5 scene.
The R6 looks clearly better, though.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riv&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=sony_a7riv&attr13_3=canon_eosr5&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.20900898268844523&y=-0.667243337013921
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=sony_a7riv&attr13_1=canon_eosr5&attr13_2=sony_a7riv&attr13_3=canon_eosr5&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.9123905967450272&y=0.287516865454153
Feb 08, 2021 at 04:27 PM
p.15 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
Holger wrote:
How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:Focussed on different parts of the flower. Unless raw is used and shots are normalized like in the DPreview scene, it doesn't make much sense to speculate.
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026The R5 looks better to me at all ISOs over the A7RIV in that comparison even when using the "Comp" feature so they are equal magnification. The color noise is more splotchy and thicker splotches on the A7RIV file. Overall sharpness of the fine print looks about equal with slight edge to the RIV.I disagree completely. The R5 shows more noise for me in the darker shadows. If I look at the dark hair of the lady to the left in the night scene, the money below and go to 12800 or 25600 iso, there clearly more noise in the R5 scene.
It's difficult to tell from these crops, as dpreview adjusts brightness. If you download the original raw files and compare them, brightness, curves and colours are completely different between the 2 cameras. The actual difference in noise is in my opinion a lot smaller than the crops show.
arbitrage wrote
Holger wrote
arbitrage wrote
saxguy wrote
arbitrage wrote
Yeah it looks pretty bad for 1250 with a 50% crop and in full sun. You can download a number of RAW files from the two different DPReview galleries to get a little better idea. They open in Sony's free View/Edit software.I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
It's difficult to tell from these crops, as dpreview adjusts brightness. If you download the original raw files and compare them, brightness, curves and colours are completely different between the 2 cameras. The actual difference in noise is in my opinion a lot smaller than the crops show.
Feb 08, 2021 at 04:35 PM
p.15 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Jordan uploaded his Calgary images from his test of the A1. Of note is a series of ISO tests from 1600 to 40000. You can download the RAW files and open in Sony software to get an idea of what they look like.
https://www.dpreview.com/samples/2759662122/sony-a1-sample-gallery-dpreview-tv
12,800 to 40,000 just show color noise, which should be easy to clean up
Jordan uploaded his Calgary images from his test of the A1. Of note is a series of ISO tests from 1600 to 40000. You can download the RAW files and open in Sony software to get an idea of what they look like.
https://www.dpreview.com/samples/2759662122/sony-a1-sample-gallery-dpreview-tv
12,800 to 40,000 just show color noise, which should be easy to clean up
Feb 08, 2021 at 04:38 PM
p.15 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
baltmin wrote:
I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.I'm fairly happy with the R5's high ISO at least compared to other high MP cameras I've owned like D850 and A7RIV. It is tough to say how it looks compared to the A1 just based on the few samples we've seen from the A1.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:Focussed on different parts of the flower. Unless raw is used and shots are normalized like in the DPreview scene, it doesn't make much sense to speculate.
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026The R5 looks better to me at all ISOs over the A7RIV in that comparison even when using the "Comp" feature so they are equal magnification. The color noise is more splotchy and thicker splotches on the A7RIV file. Overall sharpness of the fine print looks about equal with slight edge to the RIV.I disagree completely. The R5 shows more noise for me in the darker shadows. If I look at the dark hair of the lady to the left in the night scene, the money below and go to 12800 or 25600 iso, there clearly more noise in the R5 scene.It's difficult to tell from these crops, as dpreview adjusts brightness. If you download the original raw files and compare them, brightness, curves and colours are completely different between the 2 cameras. The actual difference in noise is in my opinion a lot smaller than the crops show.
They both look quite good given the number of MP. But I don't have anything against better performance, of course.
What I didn't read so far is at what iso the dual gain is activated. More important than pure iso performance to me is how the A1 reacts to pushing shadows and brightness.
Holger wrote
arbitrage wrote
Holger wrote
arbitrage wrote
saxguy wrote
How do your R5 files look at the same ISO? As someone who shoots in low light, noise at higher ISO is something I'm relatively intolerant of. With my Q2 and SL2 I had to keep things under 3200. My SL2-S can go to 25k+ without issue - it just can't focus on moving subjects, so...I still vacillate between the R5 and the a1 as an all-in-one solution. I'll be using the camera as an all arounder - event, portrait, fashion, wildlife, architecture, etc. I won't need the 8K capability although I will do some video. I do like the lens choices I have a bit more with Sony, though.
I think once DPReview adds the A1 to their studio test scene comparison it will be easier to get an idea how it does. At least there it will be the same scene, ability to compare at pixel level or down-sampled and they have the lighter and darker scenes to look at.
In this video he shows some comparisons to the RIV:
To add, the A7riv looks better in the Dpreview scene than the R5 at iso 12800, for example, when compared at similar resolution:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eosr5&attr13_1=nikon_z7&attr13_2=panasonic_dcs1r&attr13_3=sony_a7riv&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=12800&attr16_1=12800&attr16_2=12800&attr16_3=12800&attr126_0=1&attr126_1=1&attr126_2=1&attr126_3=1&attr171_0=1&attr171_1=1&attr171_2=1&attr171_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=775&x=-0.15570565124577845&y=-0.7105557246277026
They both look quite good given the number of MP. But I don't have anything against better performance, of course.
What I didn't read so far is at what iso the dual gain is activated. More important than pure iso performance to me is how the A1 reacts to pushing shadows and brightness.
Feb 08, 2021 at 04:57 PM
p.15 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
This is the most informative review out to date IMO: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
Feb 08, 2021 at 06:44 PM
p.15 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
This is the most informative review out to date IMO: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
I clicked your link with great expectations.
It took a while before I realized they weren't going to get to the part about the camera.
This is the most informative review out to date IMO: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
I clicked your link with great expectations.
It took a while before I realized they weren't going to get to the part about the camera.
Feb 08, 2021 at 08:12 PM
p.15 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
dclark wrote:
I clicked your link with great expectations.
It took a while before I realized they weren't going to get to the part about the camera.
I clicked now I’m afraid what is going to be in my YouTube feed
buffalowolff wrote
This is the most informative review out to date IMO: https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQIt took a while before I realized they weren't going to get to the part about the camera.
I clicked now I’m afraid what is going to be in my YouTube feed
Feb 08, 2021 at 08:18 PM
p.15 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
Unless something has changed: Canon was always behind in sensor tech. First to Nikon and then to Sony. Also Canon was all about feature rationing so even if they could build an A1 competitor they would be unlikely to make such a versatile camera.
Feb 08, 2021 at 10:23 PM
p.15 #18A1 Reviews/Video thread
SoundHound wrote:
Unless something has changed: Canon was always behind in sensor tech. First to Nikon and then to Sony. Also Canon was all about feature rationing so even if they could build an A1 competitor they would be unlikely to make such a versatile camera.
Of course something changed: Sony mirror-less happened.
Unless something has changed: Canon was always behind in sensor tech. First to Nikon and then to Sony. Also Canon was all about feature rationing so even if they could build an A1 competitor they would be unlikely to make such a versatile camera.
Of course something changed: Sony mirror-less happened.
Feb 09, 2021 at 12:15 AM
p.15 #19A1 Reviews/Video thread
osv2 wrote:
not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the official sony japan a1 page may have more detailed info than what we have seen so far??
"The heat dissipation effect of Sony's original internal structure is about 5 times that of the conventional model (α7R IV).
Graphite material with excellent thermal conductivity, which is also used for smartphones, is processed into Sony's original "Σ (sigma) shape" and incorporated into the camera shake correction unit. Due to this epoch-making structure, the heat generation from the image sensor, which is the main factor of the temperature rise inside the main body, is about (α7R...Show more →
I wonder if this is technology bleed over from their now (defunct?) smartphone division?
*edit* I see they do still make smartphones. Woops. They could probably do with some better marketing.
not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the official sony japan a1 page may have more detailed info than what we have seen so far??
"The heat dissipation effect of Sony's original internal structure is about 5 times that of the conventional model (α7R IV).
Graphite material with excellent thermal conductivity, which is also used for smartphones, is processed into Sony's original "Σ (sigma) shape" and incorporated into the camera shake correction unit. Due to this epoch-making structure, the heat generation from the image sensor, which is the main factor of the temperature rise inside the main body, is about (α7R...Show more →
I wonder if this is technology bleed over from their now (defunct?) smartphone division?
*edit* I see they do still make smartphones. Woops. They could probably do with some better marketing.
Feb 09, 2021 at 12:52 AM
p.15 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
Perched Peregrine at distance
https://www.facebook.com/692695969/posts/10158937226710970/
https://www.facebook.com/692695969/posts/10158937226710970/
Feb 09, 2021 at 01:08 AM