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p.13 #1A1 Reviews/Video thread
Are you supposed to poke the shutter button with a stick while wearing that thick mitten?
Ignorance is bliss.
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:10 PM
p.13 #2A1 Reviews/Video thread
I'm not designed for that either so it's all good 
. In buffalo ny it very rarely will dip negative. When that happens I'm content to play video games and drink coffee.
kaapu wrote:
20°F is fine, but when it gets -20+°F and you still have to shoot.
Let's just admit that this Sony's design isn't made for a colder conditions.
. In buffalo ny it very rarely will dip negative. When that happens I'm content to play video games and drink coffee. kaapu wrote:
buffalowolff wrote
I can do that till about 20f then I have thin gloves that cut the chill/wind.Let's just admit that this Sony's design isn't made for a colder conditions.
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:17 PM
p.13 #3A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
Man, Bird AF reviews are all over the map....but I'm guessing it is because a lot of these people are trying to do it out of Wide AF mode when there are all sorts of other things in the frame.
Even though the guy in this clip below has an easier situation he is doing the technique perfectly, Zone AF, moved up so it just catches the top of the perch when the bird isn't present and when the bird lands it is centred in the Zone.
This looks as reactive as my R5 is when a bird lands on a clean...Show more →
In almost all of the AF/BEAF reviews I've seen the user's just incorrectly using the camera.
Man, Bird AF reviews are all over the map....but I'm guessing it is because a lot of these people are trying to do it out of Wide AF mode when there are all sorts of other things in the frame.
Even though the guy in this clip below has an easier situation he is doing the technique perfectly, Zone AF, moved up so it just catches the top of the perch when the bird isn't present and when the bird lands it is centred in the Zone.
This looks as reactive as my R5 is when a bird lands on a clean...Show more →
In almost all of the AF/BEAF reviews I've seen the user's just incorrectly using the camera.
Feb 06, 2021 at 07:42 PM
p.13 #4A1 Reviews/Video thread
kaapu wrote:
Something that doesn't show up too much is that the grip of all Sony cameras is way too narrow for shooting with gloves. That's the only thing that bothers me a lot with Sony.
Yes, most of the people use these in a warm countries, but what do you guys think, should these cameras be bigger? Discussed a lot, but I really think I'm right. These cameras are too small for professional use ( even though I use them for that). If you really need it to be light just leave the grip out.
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I've shot the gripped A9ii plus 600GM+TC handheld with the heat3 mittens (size 10, but no fat fingers) this winter, including 3F last Saturday. No issues to report other than numb fingers of my exposed right hand with the mitten zip flipped open for shooting (the chem warmer packs are a must).
Warmer weather is awesome....hoping its soon...
Something that doesn't show up too much is that the grip of all Sony cameras is way too narrow for shooting with gloves. That's the only thing that bothers me a lot with Sony.
Yes, most of the people use these in a warm countries, but what do you guys think, should these cameras be bigger? Discussed a lot, but I really think I'm right. These cameras are too small for professional use ( even though I use them for that). If you really need it to be light just leave the grip out.
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I've shot the gripped A9ii plus 600GM+TC handheld with the heat3 mittens (size 10, but no fat fingers) this winter, including 3F last Saturday. No issues to report other than numb fingers of my exposed right hand with the mitten zip flipped open for shooting (the chem warmer packs are a must).
Warmer weather is awesome....hoping its soon...
Feb 06, 2021 at 08:45 PM
p.13 #5A1 Reviews/Video thread
kaapu wrote:
I use them with RRS-Bracket or battery grip and esp. with the grip it is very comfortable to use. I have no problem with gloves, too, when using the grip. With the grip my hand position is different and there is a lot more room between fingers and lens.Here's my complain of the size explained.
Glove size M. With the liner it's pretty snug already. It actually gives a pretty good support.
But when the temperature goes down you need to use proper gloves and then we have these serious problems. As I said earlier, Sony is made for a warm conditions.
Sony A7R4 + 50mm f1.4 + grip
https://i.ibb.co/TwJnh2d/Sony.jpg
I shoot with mittens with no problems, even if I can't get my hand around the grip like in your picture. Good technique is always holding camera with left hand and using right mainly to press buttons so I have no problem with it. If I need to I can also still easily hold the camera with right hand even if I can't get the fingers all around the grip, there is a nice indentation below the shutter button which makes it easy to securely hold it with just a finger in front of the grip.
Holger wrote
Disagree. Perfectly fine for pro use.I use them with RRS-Bracket or battery grip and esp. with the grip it is very comfortable to use. I have no problem with gloves, too, when using the grip. With the grip my hand position is different and there is a lot more room between fingers and lens.
Glove size M. With the liner it's pretty snug already. It actually gives a pretty good support.
But when the temperature goes down you need to use proper gloves and then we have these serious problems. As I said earlier, Sony is made for a warm conditions.
Sony A7R4 + 50mm f1.4 + grip
https://i.ibb.co/TwJnh2d/Sony.jpg
I shoot with mittens with no problems, even if I can't get my hand around the grip like in your picture. Good technique is always holding camera with left hand and using right mainly to press buttons so I have no problem with it. If I need to I can also still easily hold the camera with right hand even if I can't get the fingers all around the grip, there is a nice indentation below the shutter button which makes it easy to securely hold it with just a finger in front of the grip.
Feb 06, 2021 at 11:22 PM
p.13 #6A1 Reviews/Video thread
kaapu wrote:
Something that doesn't show up too much is that the grip of all Sony cameras is way too narrow for shooting with gloves. That's the only thing that bothers me a lot with Sony.
Yes, most of the people use these in a warm countries, but what do you guys think, should these cameras be bigger? Discussed a lot, but I really think I'm right. These cameras are too small for professional use ( even though I use them for that). If you really need it to be light just leave the grip out.
Agreed, for extended shooting sessions, shooting w/o grip is uncomfortable for me.
OTOH, every generation Sony cameras seem to get bigger, so maybe wait a few years
Something that doesn't show up too much is that the grip of all Sony cameras is way too narrow for shooting with gloves. That's the only thing that bothers me a lot with Sony.
Yes, most of the people use these in a warm countries, but what do you guys think, should these cameras be bigger? Discussed a lot, but I really think I'm right. These cameras are too small for professional use ( even though I use them for that). If you really need it to be light just leave the grip out.
Agreed, for extended shooting sessions, shooting w/o grip is uncomfortable for me.
OTOH, every generation Sony cameras seem to get bigger, so maybe wait a few years
Feb 07, 2021 at 01:27 AM
p.13 #7A1 Reviews/Video thread
Meanwhile a video from Michael the Maven:
Canon R5 Sensor Misalignment Issue CONFIRMED - No Sharp Images with Any Lens
Canon R5 Sensor Misalignment Issue CONFIRMED - No Sharp Images with Any Lens
Feb 07, 2021 at 03:10 AM
p.13 #8A1 Reviews/Video thread
Not sure what he covers here as I forgot all my French the day after Grade 11
No subs available for it yet.
No subs available for it yet.
Feb 07, 2021 at 06:53 AM
p.13 #9A1 Reviews/Video thread
dclark wrote:
The simplest explanation is the preferred explanation.
The camera continues to track the subject outside the APS fov.
Won't work with APS lens because image formation is limited to the central part of the sensor.
Anything else would be extremely complex.
At 13:18 the SONY Pro Support guy explains how Sony has 759 AF points in APS-C mode
The simplest explanation is the preferred explanation.
The camera continues to track the subject outside the APS fov.
Won't work with APS lens because image formation is limited to the central part of the sensor.
Anything else would be extremely complex.
At 13:18 the SONY Pro Support guy explains how Sony has 759 AF points in APS-C mode
Feb 07, 2021 at 07:16 AM
p.13 #10A1 Reviews/Video thread
'magic'. Trying to decipher the subtext it looks like it says when using a FF lens in aps-c mode which would indicate it continues to track out of visible frame
arbitrage wrote:
The camera continues to track the subject outside the APS fov.
Won't work with APS lens because image formation is limited to the central part of the sensor.
Anything else would be extremely complex.At 13:18 the SONY Pro Support guy explains how Sony has 759 AF points in APS-C mode
arbitrage wrote:
dclark wrote
The simplest explanation is the preferred explanation.The camera continues to track the subject outside the APS fov.
Won't work with APS lens because image formation is limited to the central part of the sensor.
Anything else would be extremely complex.
Feb 07, 2021 at 07:24 AM
p.13 #11A1 Reviews/Video thread
Jumped around it a bit. For noise like everyone else he said he thinks it's really good but can't confirm until he gets capture 1 support
arbitrage wrote:
Not sure what he covers here as I forgot all my French the day after Grade 11
No subs available for it yet.
arbitrage wrote:
Not sure what he covers here as I forgot all my French the day after Grade 11
No subs available for it yet.
Feb 07, 2021 at 07:28 AM
p.13 #12A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
'magic'. Trying to decipher the subtext it looks like it says when using a FF lens in aps-c mode which would indicate it continues to track out of visible frame
The camera continues to track the subject outside the APS fov.
Won't work with APS lens because image formation is limited to the central part of the sensor.
Anything else would be extremely complex.At 13:18 the SONY Pro Support guy explains how Sony has 759 AF points in APS-C mode
I still think that because it can now display the same 759 points over the screen when in APS-C mode that it is using more PDAF points per sensor area than in FF. Or maybe Sony is just playing games and left the graphical overlay the same to make us think it is using more points per area?
Regardless, I hope Sony has added an icon in the EVF to remind me of when I'm in APS-C as I've lost my quick check method by activating Wide or Zone AF and seeing if the points are spaced out or not. I think I saw somewhere that they have added that to the EVF.
'magic'. Trying to decipher the subtext it looks like it says when using a FF lens in aps-c mode which would indicate it continues to track out of visible frame
arbitrage wrote
dclark wrote
The simplest explanation is the preferred explanation.The camera continues to track the subject outside the APS fov.
Won't work with APS lens because image formation is limited to the central part of the sensor.
Anything else would be extremely complex.
I still think that because it can now display the same 759 points over the screen when in APS-C mode that it is using more PDAF points per sensor area than in FF. Or maybe Sony is just playing games and left the graphical overlay the same to make us think it is using more points per area?
Regardless, I hope Sony has added an icon in the EVF to remind me of when I'm in APS-C as I've lost my quick check method by activating Wide or Zone AF and seeing if the points are spaced out or not
. I think I saw somewhere that they have added that to the EVF.Feb 07, 2021 at 07:48 AM
p.13 #13A1 Reviews/Video thread
arbitrage wrote:
I still think that because it can now display the same 759 points over the screen when in APS-C mode that it is using more PDAF points per sensor area than in FF. Or maybe Sony is just playing games and left the graphical overlay the same to make us think it is using more points per area?
I'm increasingly sure this is mostly a marketing ploy and the internal hardware could do that either way.
Regardless, I hope Sony has added an icon in the EVF to remind me of when I'm in APS-C as I've lost my quick check method by activating Wide or Zone AF and seeing if the points are spaced out or not. I think I saw somewhere that they have added that to the EVF.
Yes, there is an icon in the bottom right corner next to the shooting settings, so thats always visible which is a nice improvement.
I still think that because it can now display the same 759 points over the screen when in APS-C mode that it is using more PDAF points per sensor area than in FF. Or maybe Sony is just playing games and left the graphical overlay the same to make us think it is using more points per area?
I'm increasingly sure this is mostly a marketing ploy and the internal hardware could do that either way.
Regardless, I hope Sony has added an icon in the EVF to remind me of when I'm in APS-C as I've lost my quick check method by activating Wide or Zone AF and seeing if the points are spaced out or not
. I think I saw somewhere that they have added that to the EVF.Yes, there is an icon in the bottom right corner next to the shooting settings, so thats always visible which is a nice improvement.
Feb 07, 2021 at 08:24 AM
p.13 #14A1 Reviews/Video thread
Daran wrote:
arbitrage wrote
I still think that because it can now display the same 759 points over the screen when in APS-C mode that it is using more PDAF points per sensor area than in FF. Or maybe Sony is just playing games and left the graphical overlay the same to make us think it is using more points per area?Earlier quote
Regardless, I hope Sony has added an icon in the EVF to remind me of when I'm in APS-C as I've lost my quick check method by activating Wide or Zone AF and seeing if the points are spaced out or not. I think I saw somewhere that they have added that to the EVF.Thanks. That is great that you do t have to have all the other clutter turned on but will still have that icon. Well done Sony.
Feb 07, 2021 at 08:35 AM
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p.13 #15A1 Reviews/Video thread
this is a bit strange, although it won't affect most people, it's worth noting:
"[a1+2xTC+200-600]Focal plane phase detection AF cannot be used for focal lengths with a maximum aperture value of F13 or above, so contrast AF will operate."
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/cscs/lens_body/index.php?mdl=ILCE-1&area=gb&lang=en#notes_adp_1
you have to first select the a1 body at the top of the screen.
"[a1+2xTC+200-600]Focal plane phase detection AF cannot be used for focal lengths with a maximum aperture value of F13 or above, so contrast AF will operate."
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/cscs/lens_body/index.php?mdl=ILCE-1&area=gb&lang=en#notes_adp_1
you have to first select the a1 body at the top of the screen.
Feb 07, 2021 at 02:17 PM
p.13 #16A1 Reviews/Video thread
osv2 wrote:
this is a bit strange, although it won't affect most people, it's worth noting:
"[a1+2xTC+200-600]Focal plane phase detection AF cannot be used for focal lengths with a maximum aperture value of F13 or above, so contrast AF will operate."
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/cscs/lens_body/index.php?mdl=ILCE-1&area=gb&lang=en#notes_adp_1
you have to first select the a1 body at the top of the screen.
That's the 1st thing I've seen where it's a backwards step from the A9II. Not sure how much it will impact me because with the extra pixels I won't use the 2x TC that much but it's nice to have the option.
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this is a bit strange, although it won't affect most people, it's worth noting:
"[a1+2xTC+200-600]Focal plane phase detection AF cannot be used for focal lengths with a maximum aperture value of F13 or above, so contrast AF will operate."
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/cscs/lens_body/index.php?mdl=ILCE-1&area=gb&lang=en#notes_adp_1
you have to first select the a1 body at the top of the screen.
That's the 1st thing I've seen where it's a backwards step from the A9II. Not sure how much it will impact me because with the extra pixels I won't use the 2x TC that much but it's nice to have the option.
Edited on Feb 07, 2021 at 02:59 PM · View previous versions
Feb 07, 2021 at 02:48 PM
p.13 #17A1 Reviews/Video thread
osv2 wrote:
this is a bit strange, although it won't affect most people, it's worth noting:
"[a1+2xTC+200-600]Focal plane phase detection AF cannot be used for focal lengths with a maximum aperture value of F13 or above, so contrast AF will operate."
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/cscs/lens_body/index.php?mdl=ILCE-1&area=gb&lang=en#notes_adp_1
you have to first select the a1 body at the top of the screen.
Intriguing....I find the 2-6/2xTC to be no better than cropping the 1.4TC image even on the lower pixel density A9. I rarely used that combo after the first few weeks testing it in controlled tests in the backyard.
On a 50MP sensor it will be even more rare that I would be tempted to go there. I will do 1200mm via the 600GM but even then with the 50MPs I probably won't do that much either. I find that once you are at 1200mm and then still trying to chase reach by utilizing heavy crops with high MP sensors that there is too much air in the way anyways 9 times out of 10 and results suck. If you can use a lot of the sensor at 1200mm then it is often okay.
I do wonder why with the A1 pushing the AF-C bar to f/22 over f/16 on the A9 that it is taking a step back with this particular combo??
I think the 100-400GM will become a much more useful lens on the A1 than it was for me on the A9. I may have to reacquire one if I sell my R5/100-500.
this is a bit strange, although it won't affect most people, it's worth noting:
"[a1+2xTC+200-600]Focal plane phase detection AF cannot be used for focal lengths with a maximum aperture value of F13 or above, so contrast AF will operate."
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/www/cscs/lens_body/index.php?mdl=ILCE-1&area=gb&lang=en#notes_adp_1
you have to first select the a1 body at the top of the screen.
Intriguing....I find the 2-6/2xTC to be no better than cropping the 1.4TC image even on the lower pixel density A9. I rarely used that combo after the first few weeks testing it in controlled tests in the backyard.
On a 50MP sensor it will be even more rare that I would be tempted to go there. I will do 1200mm via the 600GM but even then with the 50MPs I probably won't do that much either. I find that once you are at 1200mm and then still trying to chase reach by utilizing heavy crops with high MP sensors that there is too much air in the way anyways 9 times out of 10 and results suck. If you can use a lot of the sensor at 1200mm then it is often okay.
I do wonder why with the A1 pushing the AF-C bar to f/22 over f/16 on the A9 that it is taking a step back with this particular combo??
I think the 100-400GM will become a much more useful lens on the A1 than it was for me on the A9. I may have to reacquire one if I sell my R5/100-500.
Feb 07, 2021 at 02:58 PM
p.13 #20A1 Reviews/Video thread
buffalowolff wrote:
I'm not designed for that either so it's all good. In buffalo ny it very rarely will dip negative. When that happens I'm content to play video games and drink coffee.
I went to dental school there. The bigger issue is the lack of sunlight from late September until April.
Does Gabriel’s Gate still have the best wings?
I'm not designed for that either so it's all good
. In buffalo ny it very rarely will dip negative. When that happens I'm content to play video games and drink coffee. I went to dental school there. The bigger issue is the lack of sunlight from late September until April.
Does Gabriel’s Gate still have the best wings?
Feb 07, 2021 at 05:26 PM