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 p.8 #17 · Nikon Z 50/1.2s Images thread | |
zhangyue wrote:
I am quite interested in this topic as well not that I would just change the system for this  They both are huge to the point I don't care much difference in size anymore because when you decide to go lens as big as any of these, the difference is insignificant anymore. weight wise, we are talking about 100g.
Looks like for AF f1.2, we won't expect anything wonder that combine small and high performance. The market has gone to the way (due to youtuber, and pixel pp review) that nobody can afford a sensible sized, well balanced design but risk to bare a reputation of incapable to design a sharp corner to corner, almost zero CA and a great bench performer. (Sony seems did a few interesting design that balance the performance and size different way which I personally prefer)
Having said that, I inspected both Canon and Nikon official sample images, bokeh is very hard to draw conclusion but I do notice both seems have a very nice focus transition. Almost no bokeh fringing and double edginess, looks very neutral.
In above samples, I like out of camera color (or WB) of Canon more though nothing can't be adjusted to match. Nikon is too blueish and magenta.
Nikon seems have shallower DOF in this image, again minor standing position could lead this conclusion given DOF roll off quite fast in this aperture, the distance can play a huge role here. However, I cant say shallower DOF is preferred in this case as Canon seems give a more neutral rendering to the scene. I have a feeling that Nikon one looks almost too well behaved to my eye, I can't put my finger on how to express it but I can't say I love this look.
I am keep eyes on Z's fast glasses, in the meantime, I bought 105e and bought back 28e. Which I think are highlights of Nikon glasses IMHO. I always like 58G though it is quite soft to modern standard but with lovely size and beautiful rendering. I can always stop down to f2~f2.5, it still give nice rendering that nobody can match. 58G is the route I want Nikon to take (maybe a little more fine tune and more exotic glasses used) but I also happen to agree that is not gonna work for Nikon in modern day, the ship is sailed that no way back. You just have to design no compromised glasses in this age to success. The same apply to ridiculers super fast, reliable and almost dumb proof AF.
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I think your assessment is very fair. Kind of funny though, in the past they used to say Canon has better skin tone, more pinkish that is flattering and Nikon has this green yellow tone that is not very flattering to skin tone. Now at least with AWB A0, it seems to be reverse. Of course for me this is not a big issue since either can be adjusted to my liking easily.
I really like 58/1.4 rendering and sometimes wished that I did not sell it. Might try to pick up one again if I can find a decent 2nd hand copy locally. I still enjoy using 105/1.4e a lot but I don't have 28/1.4e. For some reasons, this is a very difficult focal length for me to use and I much prefer 35mm.
I think the past already produced so many fantastic, excellent character and rendering glasses (especially if you don't mind manual focus lenses). One benefit of a modern well corrected lenses though is that they generally consistantly produce very good image pretty much in all situations. In comparison, Hexaon 60/1.2, given the right situation, it can produce incredible image but it can also produce rather distracting picture with the wrong background and lighting. I find that if I take a Hexanon with me, I ended up taking another 50mm lens with me just in case whereas I would not hesitate to take 50/1.2 (or Noct Nikkor 58/.95) as the only 50 ish mm lens. However, the Hexanon is a lens that I also regretted selling Kidn of did not know that I missed it until I sold it.
At this time, size is not a big issue for me as I use my 600/4e FL regularly and enjoy using Sigma Art 135/1.8, few Otus/Milvus lenses, 70-200/2.8 for various things as well so both 50/1.2s and 58/.95 are not exceptionally big or heavy. Years from now, that might be a different story
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I'd say bokeh is a wash... 
