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Archive 2021Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
p.30 #1Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
On the other hand the US enforces the MSRP (manufacturer price) and the prices in Europe come down a lot after a bit.
Afair, the Tamron 70-180 was priced 1499 at launch and now 1129 EUR vs 1199 USD+tax. And the Sony 35/1.8 is also cheaper in Europe now.
Edax wrote:
1699 Euro including 21% sales tax over her in NL. At this moment, 1 Euro is 1.21556 US dollars.
So asking price over here without tax is currently approx 1700 US dollars
Afair, the Tamron 70-180 was priced 1499 at launch and now 1129 EUR vs 1199 USD+tax. And the Sony 35/1.8 is also cheaper in Europe now.
Edax wrote:
1699 Euro including 21% sales tax over her in NL. At this moment, 1 Euro is 1.21556 US dollars.
So asking price over here without tax is currently approx 1700 US dollars
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:15 PM
p.30 #2Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
RoamingScott wrote:
When you realize the 24GM shoots at 35mm in crop mode
Not at 35/1.4, and not at 61MP :-)
When you realize the 24GM shoots at 35mm in crop mode
Not at 35/1.4, and not at 61MP :-)
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:20 PM
p.30 #3Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
This looks like a superb lens. I just couldn't justify having this and my CV 40mm f/1.2, and I don't see myself giving that one up.
Still, I am so tempted.....
Still, I am so tempted.....
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:29 PM
p.30 #4Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
1bwana1 wrote:
This looks like a superb lens. I just couldn't justify having this and my CV 40mm f/1.2, and I don't see myself giving that one up.
Still, I am so tempted.....
The 35 has AF and "close focus".... still not sufficiently tempted?
This looks like a superb lens. I just couldn't justify having this and my CV 40mm f/1.2, and I don't see myself giving that one up.
Still, I am so tempted.....
The 35 has AF and "close focus".... still not sufficiently tempted?
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:39 PM
p.30 #5Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
RoamingScott wrote:
I don't see the issue with posting EFCS bokeh shots...many people will shoot that way and shows a "worst case" scenario.
Because it’s a user error. Many people will shoot with bad focus too, or with clipped highlights. It’s not that hard to turn off EFCS at high shutter speeds, or switch to e-shutter! You don’t learn much about lens by seeing bokeh deformation due to high shutter speeds and EFCS, you learn mainly about the cameras shutter mechanism.
DavidBM wrote
Some more slightly more reliable takes on the GM 35 are out (eg lenstip) and I’m mystified. They show it having better CA control than most 35s, albeit not perfect, and being utterly sensational in other regards. Could DPR have shot a bad sample with the terrible CA in some of their samples? Their bokeh was messed up by EFCS ( unforgivable in a reputable site) but that shouldn’t induce CA. Maybe a worst case distance/subject combo that rarely would impact images? I’m tempted to try to get a review copy to find out what’s going on!Because it’s a user error. Many people will shoot with bad focus too, or with clipped highlights. It’s not that hard to turn off EFCS at high shutter speeds, or switch to e-shutter! You don’t learn much about lens by seeing bokeh deformation due to high shutter speeds and EFCS, you learn mainly about the cameras shutter mechanism.
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:42 PM
p.30 #6Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
1bwana1 wrote:
This looks like a superb lens. I just couldn't justify having this and my CV 40mm f/1.2, and I don't see myself giving that one up.
Still, I am so tempted.....
Here are some justifications for you to own both:
1) Different focal length. Remember the 40mm f/1.2 is actually narrower than 40mm.
2) Different aperture. Not a big reason but reason enough for some folks to prefer the Sigma 35/1.2 Art
3) AF vs MF: Different way to take pictures. Sometimes feels good to go back to basics.
4) Size and weight: The 35/1.4 GM is sure small for what it is but still way bigger than the 40/1.2, especially the SE version.
5) Different sunstar rendering.
6) Different overall rendering and character.
This looks like a superb lens. I just couldn't justify having this and my CV 40mm f/1.2, and I don't see myself giving that one up.
Still, I am so tempted.....
Here are some justifications for you to own both:
1) Different focal length. Remember the 40mm f/1.2 is actually narrower than 40mm.
2) Different aperture. Not a big reason but reason enough for some folks to prefer the Sigma 35/1.2 Art
3) AF vs MF: Different way to take pictures. Sometimes feels good to go back to basics.
4) Size and weight: The 35/1.4 GM is sure small for what it is but still way bigger than the 40/1.2, especially the SE version.
5) Different sunstar rendering.
6) Different overall rendering and character.
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:48 PM
p.30 #7Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
https://www.cameralabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/sony-fe-35mm-f1-4-gm-sample-image-DSC00034.jpg
This samplr show quite a lot of ca, similar to my 24m gm
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This samplr show quite a lot of ca, similar to my 24m gm
Edited on Jan 13, 2021 at 04:59 PM · View previous versions
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:50 PM
p.30 #8Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:55 PM
p.30 #9Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
realVivek wrote:
The EU price will ease after the initial demand.
Good then they can ship them to the US
Edit: Shouldn't read things on my phone with no glasses. I thought you said EU price will erase initial demand.
I need to read things twice with out my glasses before replying. Sorry
The EU price will ease after the initial demand.
Good then they can ship them to the US
Edit: Shouldn't read things on my phone with no glasses. I thought you said EU price will erase initial demand.
I need to read things twice with out my glasses before replying. Sorry
Jan 13, 2021 at 04:58 PM
p.30 #10Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.
wind30 wrote:
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
wind30 wrote:
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:03 PM
p.30 #11Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Justin Stone wrote:
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
Did u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.
wind30 wrote
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
Did u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:09 PM
p.30 #12Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
lora_to wrote:
Sony seems to grasp how important size and intelligent tradeoffs are for many shooters. This also gives me hope that Sony’s rumored 16 GM will be sized compactly for it’s class and specs, though I think it will be pried higher as the competition in fast UWA AF land is minima (similar to the GM 135)l. I am also super curious and hopeful Sony will keep pumping out a couple GM’s a year. I’d love to see a fast 100, 28 and 58-75 GM’s 1.4-2’s. A prime in the 58-75 range wold allow Sony to not duplicate/crowd the 50/1.4 ZA and 85/1.4 GM while offering different FL. Fuji’s upcoming 80/1.7, and the X 50/1 and Nikon 58/1.4 are great examples of these long 50mm’s/short tele’s that hit the spot for many shooters. I feel bad for Sigma here—Sony ate Sigma’s lunch for both the 35/2 and 35/1.2 with one lens. I know they are different prices and specs, but I do think when you offer this quality at this size, Sony is hurting Sigma sales.Since the Rx1 is a joint Sony Zeiss project, at this point I assume that the Zeiss ZX1 put an end to that joint project.The mid-february ship date is suspiciously close to 5 years after the ZA 35/1.4 was announced on March 5th afair. I wonder if there was some sort of moratorium or maybe it's just coincidence and Sony figured it's been long enough to not disgruntle ZA buyers.
I'm with you. I think there is more going on behind the curtain between Zeiss and Sony than we know. If the ZA 35mm 1.4 drops significantly after that you can consider yourself right I think. I'd love to know the back story between the 2 company's. Zeiss is going one direction and Sony the complete opposite.
Steve Spencer wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I am not as surprised about the size of this lens as others, though I love it. What does surprise me is the price—I find it very odd that this lens totally outmodes the ZA 35 1.4 (small, faster, sharper, better corrected globally and seems to have better rendering) and that Sony plans on keep both in production simultaneously. I wonder it if reduces to contract and/or a legal obligation with Zeiss. Odd too as the G 35 was panned a bit for being overpriced. I also wonder if an RX1R3 is facing some contractual hurdle with Zeiss, or if Sony is any more likely to release it now that it’s GM and G 35’s are out. Or, if it really is just dead. Still hard for me to believe—the RX1R2 weighs less than this GM 35/1.4 lens alone.Sony seems to grasp how important size and intelligent tradeoffs are for many shooters. This also gives me hope that Sony’s rumored 16 GM will be sized compactly for it’s class and specs, though I think it will be pried higher as the competition in fast UWA AF land is minima (similar to the GM 135)l. I am also super curious and hopeful Sony will keep pumping out a couple GM’s a year. I’d love to see a fast 100, 28 and 58-75 GM’s 1.4-2’s. A prime in the 58-75 range wold allow Sony to not duplicate/crowd the 50/1.4 ZA and 85/1.4 GM while offering different FL. Fuji’s upcoming 80/1.7, and the X 50/1 and Nikon 58/1.4 are great examples of these long 50mm’s/short tele’s that hit the spot for many shooters. I feel bad for Sigma here—Sony ate Sigma’s lunch for both the 35/2 and 35/1.2 with one lens. I know they are different prices and specs, but I do think when you offer this quality at this size, Sony is hurting Sigma sales.
I'm with you. I think there is more going on behind the curtain between Zeiss and Sony than we know. If the ZA 35mm 1.4 drops significantly after that you can consider yourself right I think. I'd love to know the back story between the 2 company's. Zeiss is going one direction and Sony the complete opposite.
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:10 PM
p.30 #13Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
I see what you see. Could be better, but those are pretty harsh circumstances.
wind30 wrote:
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swapDid u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
wind30 wrote:
Justin Stone wrote
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.wind30 wrote
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:23 PM
p.30 #14Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Justin Stone wrote:
I see what you see. Could be better, but those are pretty harsh circumstances.
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swapDid u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
Exactly, along with exposing correctly?
I see what you see. Could be better, but those are pretty harsh circumstances.
wind30 wrote
Justin Stone wrote
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.wind30 wrote
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
Exactly, along with exposing correctly?
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:33 PM
p.30 #15Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
wind30 wrote:
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swapDid u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
There are far more and far better examples than that that show a very low level of aberrations, especially Gerald's review. A darker object against a completely blown out background isn't a valid test for CA/LoCa.
Justin Stone wrote
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.wind30 wrote
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
There are far more and far better examples than that that show a very low level of aberrations, especially Gerald's review. A darker object against a completely blown out background isn't a valid test for CA/LoCa.
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:36 PM
p.30 #16Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Oh damn. Watched Gordon Laing's review where he compared it to the Sigma 35 1.2. That is an astonishing improvement in those distance shots and with that nano 2 coating from the 12-24 GM that I love so much. Faster more accurate AF too. Not sure what is not to like! Focus breathing really don't matter to me as that appears to be the weak point to the new GM lens. To me the sigma 35 1.2 flare really annoys me even indoors shooting with ceiling lights causing flares. Might be a time to swap for a lighter setup?
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:41 PM
p.30 #17Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Would you please provide a link to the original image?
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:49 PM
p.30 #18Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Dave Sanders wrote:
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swapDid u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.There are far more and far better examples than that that show a very low level of aberrations, especially Gerald's review. A darker object against a completely blown out background isn't a valid test for CA/LoCa.
Ok i just watched geralds review. Honestly i dont like his reviews as i find he does not test the lens the way i use it and cones to different conclusions than me with previous lens.
U need a high contrast edge to see loca. That is why review sites like lenstip use a black white bars for loca. His samples for loca is totally wrong.
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wind30 wrote
Justin Stone wrote
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.wind30 wrote
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
Ok i just watched geralds review. Honestly i dont like his reviews as i find he does not test the lens the way i use it and cones to different conclusions than me with previous lens.
U need a high contrast edge to see loca. That is why review sites like lenstip use a black white bars for loca. His samples for loca is totally wrong.
Edited on Jan 13, 2021 at 05:57 PM · View previous versions
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:52 PM
p.30 #19Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
The weight itself is probably an enough reason for me to switch from the sigma f1.2 to the gm...
sigma is just shooting themselves in designing a f1.2 vs f1.4. If a f1.4 could save like 200grams of weight, I will not be so tempted to switch. The weight of the f1.2 is just too much.
sigma is just shooting themselves in designing a f1.2 vs f1.4. If a f1.4 could save like 200grams of weight, I will not be so tempted to switch. The weight of the f1.2 is just too much.
Jan 13, 2021 at 05:56 PM
p.30 #20Pre-order: Sony FE 35mm f/1.4 GM ($1,399)
Dave Sanders wrote:
If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swapDid u see the sample i posted above? Ca seems on the level of my 24mm gm which to me is moderate.
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.There are far more and far better examples than that that show a very low level of aberrations, especially Gerald's review. A darker object against a completely blown out background isn't a valid test for CA/LoCa.
This happened with the Sigma 35/1.2 and Voigtlander 50/2 APO lenses as well. Initial sample images showed low axial CA for the majority of images but many focused on extreme high contrast scenarios showing fringing. Remember the tin foil tests?
I think it's safe to say that the 35/1.4 GM has above average axial CA correction for a 35mm lens but color error may still be visible under extreme conditions.
wind30 wrote
Justin Stone wrote
Based on what I’ve seen from samples posted it does on both counts.wind30 wrote
I have the sigma f1.2. Love the images but the weight...If the gm has low loca and good transitional bokeh, i wll swap
I love everything abouut the 24mm , weight bokeh. Except loca which to me is not low.
This happened with the Sigma 35/1.2 and Voigtlander 50/2 APO lenses as well. Initial sample images showed low axial CA for the majority of images but many focused on extreme high contrast scenarios showing fringing. Remember the tin foil tests?
I think it's safe to say that the 35/1.4 GM has above average axial CA correction for a 35mm lens but color error may still be visible under extreme conditions.
Jan 13, 2021 at 06:00 PM