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HelBen85 wrote:
After the disaster with the firmware upgrade of the Sigma 35mm f1.2, for which no solution has been found to date and with regard to a completely incompetent and unfriendly service department of Sigma, I will think carefully about the next purchase of a Sigma product.

Such things should always kept in mind when assessing the price of product.


What was the issue with the 35 f1.2?
Nov 01, 2020 at 06:12 AM
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I'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wrote:
tsdevine wroteThe more resolution, the harder it would be to get. So that probably is a good part of it.

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteI see it in both shots, that's moire.... So both lenses are sharp enough to excite moire out of the fine grain in the wood posts.

That's not a lens aberration, that's bayer and a lack of AA filter.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteInitial thoughts is that is performs similarly to my CV 110. The MF experience is better on the CV, but I think I can manage MF with the Sigma. I had planned to use the Sigma when I'm out with the family and can't setup properly for macro with the CV. I'll try to post some more, but here is a f/2.8 shot from both the Sigma and CV. Both were processed through Photo Ninja and no CA correction (or fringing) was enabled.

Sony a7R III + Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Art @ f/2.8
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50551611971_132d2d60f7_h.jpg
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Sony a7R III + Voigtlander 110mm f/2.8 Macro APO-Lanthar @f/2.8
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50550877648_6a915c3a78_h.jpg
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The Sigma has softer edges on the bokeh, at least in this shot.

I'll try to post some other comparisons later.

-Tim
Interesting. When you look at the full size files you see magenta and green in the wood post base (on the CV) that is in the middle (in focus area and pixel peeping of course). The Sigma has none of it. I would have thought it would have been the other way around.
Way more evident on the CV. Which is why I'm surprised because I had that lens and never had anything like that pop up. It was on the Riv though so maybe that is the difference.
Yeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?


Nov 01, 2020 at 06:27 AM
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tsdevine wrote:
I'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteThe more resolution, the harder it would be to get. So that probably is a good part of it.

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteI see it in both shots, that's moire.... So both lenses are sharp enough to excite moire out of the fine grain in the wood posts.

That's not a lens aberration, that's bayer and a lack of AA filter.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wroteInteresting. When you look at the full size files you see magenta and green in the wood post base (on the CV) that is in the middle (in focus area and pixel peeping of course). The Sigma has none of it. I would have thought it would have been the other way around.
Way more evident on the CV. Which is why I'm surprised because I had that lens and never had anything like that pop up. It was on the Riv though so maybe that is the difference.
Yeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?


I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
Nov 01, 2020 at 06:41 AM
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bjornthun wrote:
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteThe more resolution, the harder it would be to get. So that probably is a good part of it.

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteI see it in both shots, that's moire.... So both lenses are sharp enough to excite moire out of the fine grain in the wood posts.

That's not a lens aberration, that's bayer and a lack of AA filter.

-Tim
Way more evident on the CV. Which is why I'm surprised because I had that lens and never had anything like that pop up. It was on the Riv though so maybe that is the difference.
Yeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.


So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
Nov 01, 2020 at 02:01 PM
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tsdevine wrote:
Believe it or not, I intend to keep both. At least that was my thought going in, we'll see if that changes, but I doubt it.


I admire your passion ... The only reason I have not ordered the Sigma yet is that it would mean I'd have to get rid of my CV65, which fulfills all my macro needs (which are not many) currently and I really don't want to do that .
Nov 01, 2020 at 02:05 PM
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For this focal length sunstars aren't high in my priority list and I can appreciate smoother macro rendering with rounded bokeh balls. I do love sunstars, but mostly for wider focal lengths where sun will fit the frame a lot more often.
Nov 02, 2020 at 01:07 AM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteThe more resolution, the harder it would be to get. So that probably is a good part of it.

nhsonyshooter wroteWay more evident on the CV. Which is why I'm surprised because I had that lens and never had anything like that pop up. It was on the Riv though so maybe that is the difference.
Yeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?


In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
Nov 02, 2020 at 05:23 AM
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bjornthun wrote:
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wrote
tsdevine wroteThe more resolution, the harder it would be to get. So that probably is a good part of it.
Yeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.


I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point to an example of this on the 110 thread because I have seen a heck of alot of nice images there and don't remember a "bokeh" being particularly distracting. I'm sure there is one, I am just having trouble I guess visualizing what your talking about.
Nov 02, 2020 at 06:06 AM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
bjornthun wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wroteYeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point
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There are some good examples in the review here:

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-review/

Maybe Tim could have a look these days at the Sigma's flare / veil with the sun just outside the frame. The CV 110 can certainly look very "vintage" in such situations.



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Nov 02, 2020 at 06:15 AM
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You can see examples partway down in Dustin Abbot's review

https://dustinabbott.net/2020/03/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-lanthar-macro-review/

And some in Phillip's review

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-review/

Just the nature of a straight-bladed aperture. Whether it causes anyone concern is as you note a personal taste thing. I would have preferred rounded blades, like the CV 125mm, but it's not a show stopper for me.

-Tim

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So do I order it now or do I wait for an illusory Sony 100 GM OSS APO STF Macro BIF ASTRO?

Cause I fear that such wait might be veeery long..... and if I don't get my Sigma now, I will be in for another loong wait watching the "Out of Stock" notice at my favourite shops here.....
Nov 02, 2020 at 06:22 AM
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Thanks to both. Have seen both before. Guess it's a taste thing. I have seen both these reviews and in my experience with the CV as well I don't mind the bokeh. With any lens you will run into (for lack of better wording) busy bokeh depending on distance and subject at some point. But so far I'm not seeing anything noticeably better in that regard from the Sigma. Which I am interested in still basically for the added AF benefit.

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Nov 02, 2020 at 06:23 AM
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Not sure we're ever going to see the sun again here...or at least it feels that way. But in the interim, not sure if this helps.

https://www.lenstip.com/145.3-article-Sigma_A_105_mm_f_2.8_DG_DN_Macro_%E2%80%93_first_impressions_Autofocus__ghosting_and_flares.html

-Tim

vdo1 wrote:
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point to an example of this on the 110 thread because I have seen a heck of alot of nice images there and don't remember a "bokeh" being particularly distracting. I'm sure there is one, I am just having trouble I guess visualizing what your talking about.
There are some good examples in the review here:

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-review/

Maybe Tim could have a look these days at the Sigma's flare / veil with the sun just outside the frame. The CV 110 can certainly look very "vintage" in such situations.



Nov 02, 2020 at 06:32 AM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
bjornthun wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim

nhsonyshooter wroteYeah both look really good though. I'd never be pixel peeping that much anyway. How are the sunstars on the Sigma?
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point
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This post shows an example, https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1574251/1#14689004
Nov 02, 2020 at 07:47 AM
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So the sun is out, but I’m working at the moment. I’ve never actually done this type of test before. Can somebody give me a primer? Hood on or off? Particular apertures to test? You want a comparison to the CV or just a straight test of the Sigma? The slightly different FLs may pose a challenge to compare.

Sun just outside the corner of the frame right?

-Tim

vdo1 wrote:
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point to an example of this on the 110 thread because I have seen a heck of alot of nice images there and don't remember a "bokeh" being particularly distracting. I'm sure there is one, I am just having trouble I guess visualizing what your talking about.
There are some good examples in the review here:

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-review/

Maybe Tim could have a look these days at the Sigma's flare / veil with the sun just outside the frame. The CV 110 can certainly look very "vintage" in such situations.


Nov 02, 2020 at 09:27 AM
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bjornthun wrote:
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
tsdevine wroteI'm not much of a sunstar shooter, and it's been dark and dreary all weekend. With 9 rounded blades, I can't imagine it will be a strong point for the Sigma. The CV's 10 straight is probably much better suited for sunstars.

-Tim
I think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point to an example of this on the 110 thread because I have seen a heck of alot of nice images there and don't remember a "bokeh" being particularly distracting. I'm sure there is one, I am just having trouble I guess visualizing what your talking about.
This post shows an example, https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1574251/1#14689004


Ok. I need not worry then since I would never compose a picture like that, but OK
Nov 02, 2020 at 11:41 AM
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tsdevine wrote:
So the sun is out, but I’m working at the moment. I’ve never actually done this type of test before. Can somebody give me a primer? Hood on or off? Particular apertures to test? You want a comparison to the CV or just a straight test of the Sigma? The slightly different FLs may pose a challenge to compare.

Sun just outside the corner of the frame right?

-Tim

vdo1 wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wrote
nhsonyshooter wrote
bjornthun wroteI think the absense rather than presence of sunstars is a strong point of the Sigma. I don’t like sunstars and think it looks like a cheap filter effect. Besides rounded aperture blades improves bokeh in the close up and macro range.
So you think the Bokeh is worse on the CV?
In the macro range, yes. OOF highlights get a polygonal shape, which isn’t very attractive. I don’t especially care for sunstars, but for those who do sunstars are most relevant in landscape images. There are examples to illustrate this in the thread dedicated to this lens.
I like multi purpose lenses which is why I asked about sunstars. Yes I like the "cheap filter" effect as well. Always rather have the ability to create a look than not have that ability. I'm intrigued with the Sigma regardless (mostly because AF is useful in those other areas) as a macro (which I don't do alot of), landscape, Portrait, and even street lens. I had the CV110 (and used it for all 4 of those things) and never noticed any issues in Bokeh but then that's a personal taste thing. I would be interested if you could point to an example of this on the 110 thread because I have seen a heck of alot of nice images there and don't remember a "bokeh" being particularly distracting. I'm sure there is one, I am just having trouble I guess visualizing what your talking about.
There are some good examples in the review here:

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-review/

Maybe Tim could have a look these days at the Sigma's flare / veil with the sun just outside the frame. The CV 110 can certainly look very "vintage" in such situations.


Portrait distance, no hood, any aperture between 2.8 to 5.6, sun outside the frame. Something similar to the horse pic here:

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-110mm-f2-5-apo-review/

No comparison or pics (beyond maybe one example) needed, just your assessment that the subject still has suficent contrast and color instead of being obliterated by a colorful veil. Does it look more like a vintage Carl Zeiss Jena, or more like a modern lens like the new Sigma 85mm? Big thanks!

Nov 02, 2020 at 11:46 AM
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vdo1 wrote:
So do I order it now or do I wait for an illusory Sony 100 GM OSS APO STF Macro BIF ASTRO?

Cause I fear that such wait might be veeery long..... and if I don't get my Sigma now, I will be in for another loong wait watching the "Out of Stock" notice at my favourite shops here.....


Ha! I knew it! Just ordered one from Vistek and it proved to be their last one, the web site now displays availability as being "On Order". The other big chain here didn't have any stock today.


Nov 02, 2020 at 12:07 PM
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vdo1 wrote:
vdo1 wroteSo do I order it now or do I wait for an illusory Sony 100 GM OSS APO STF Macro BIF ASTRO?

Cause I fear that such wait might be veeery long..... and if I don't get my Sigma now, I will be in for another loong wait watching the "Out of Stock" notice at my favourite shops here.....
Ha! I knew it! Just ordered one from Vistek and it proved to be their last one, the web site now displays availability as being "On Order". The other big chain here didn't have any stock today.



B&H shows them in stock.
Nov 02, 2020 at 12:17 PM
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nhsonyshooter wrote:
vdo1 wrote
vdo1 wroteSo do I order it now or do I wait for an illusory Sony 100 GM OSS APO STF Macro BIF ASTRO?

Cause I fear that such wait might be veeery long..... and if I don't get my Sigma now, I will be in for another loong wait watching the "Out of Stock" notice at my favourite shops here.....
Ha! I knew it! Just ordered one from Vistek and it proved to be their last one, the web site now displays availability as being "On Order". The other big chain here didn't have any stock today.
B&H shows them in stock.


Yes but I'm located in Canada so I would rather stay with a Canadian chain as to avoid trans-border shipment entertainment these days.
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