In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
p.2 #1In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
Like you, if I had the FE 90, I wouldn't be swapping. This price point was more palatable for covering cases where I want AF. And it looks like a pretty darn good lens.
-Tim
DavidBM wrote:
tsdevine wrote
I pre ordered, even though I have the CV 110. There are times where I'd like to do macro "improperly" aka more run and gun using AF-C, like Longwood Gardens with my family. (I wish Sony would implement trap focus...)It was tough to justify the FE 90 given the price, at least for the use case above.
I'm curious to see how they compare to each other, I guess I will find out.
-Tim
I will probably stick with the Sony for AF, but only because I like being able to set magnification manually, and because selling and buying is a hassle. The Sigma seems to have fixed the only visible issue with the 90 (mild LoCA) and offer even higher res and contrast along with great macro bokeh (a respect in which the CV, which I’ve also got, is good rather than great).
Relatedly, how great was the presentations by Yamaki? Who else tells you about their sales figures (selectively of course) and the downsides of both their older...Show more →
Sep 30, 2020 at 04:21 PM
p.2 #2In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
Fred Miranda wrote:
.Not that many in the AF flavour:
Sony 50mm
Sigma 70mm
Sony 90
Sigma 105
and the AF on the first two is a joke by today's standards.Forgetting this 100/2.8 E-mount lens with 1:1 macro and AF for only $499?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1473390-REG/tokina_frn_afm100fxse_firin_100mm_f_2_8_fe.htmlGuilty as charged. I forgot about it, most likely after reading somewhere about AF issues and the CA corrections not being better than the Sony. So it didn't bring anything on the table for me compared to the Sony 90.
BTW I still have the vintage mf Tokina ATX 90mm - mostly for nostalgia reasons
I'm surprised Samyang has not released a tele 1:1 macro with AF yet.
After the "large aperture new GM lenses" rumours, I'm rooting here for a GM 100mm, close focus at least, macro even better I it ain't happening, the Sigma will do fine for me
vdo1 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
vdo1 wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
It looks like a stellar macro lens but we already have so many great choices for the E-mount..
Sony 50mm
Sigma 70mm
Sony 90
Sigma 105
and the AF on the first two is a joke by today's standards.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1473390-REG/tokina_frn_afm100fxse_firin_100mm_f_2_8_fe.html
BTW I still have the vintage mf Tokina ATX 90mm - mostly for nostalgia reasons
After the "large aperture new GM lenses" rumours, I'm rooting here for a GM 100mm, close focus at least, macro even better
I it ain't happening, the Sigma will do fine for me Sep 30, 2020 at 04:24 PM
p.2 #3In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
To me 150mm can't be used where 90mm is useful, like product, food shots. 150mm is more useful for bugs etc.
Sep 30, 2020 at 04:31 PM
p.2 #4In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
Yea handheld bugs! I use my, adapted, Nikkor 200mm F4.0. My 55 &v105 Nikkor macros languish.
Sep 30, 2020 at 04:43 PM
p.2 #5In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
But I just got the Voigtlander 110mm APO-Lanthar back in June.
Sep 30, 2020 at 05:02 PM
p.2 #6In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
bobby350z wrote:
To me 150mm can't be used where 90mm is useful, like product, food shots. 150mm is more useful for bugs etc.
This remark is interesting to me. What makes 150mm unsuitable for product photography?
To me 150mm can't be used where 90mm is useful, like product, food shots. 150mm is more useful for bugs etc.
This remark is interesting to me. What makes 150mm unsuitable for product photography?
Sep 30, 2020 at 05:09 PM
p.2 #7In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
It's not unusable but it does create a DOF issue so may have to focus stack more often and also maybe a space problem on a set
Sep 30, 2020 at 05:11 PM
p.2 #8In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
GMPhotography wrote:
It's not unusable but it does create a DOF issue so may have to focus stack more often and also maybe a space problem on a set
Thanks. I don't know much about all this (and sorry for all the under-informed waffle in my first post near the start of the thread).
I had assumed focus stacking was semi-necessary regardless to produce something that looks professional and shows enough of the product without soft areas. A few years ago I briefly dabbled with an adapted old manual-focus 50mm macro lens someone lent me. Even with that little thing, the tight depth of field was such a problem that I was pushing hard against some pretty tiny, yucky, severe-diffraction-inducing apertures. I was left with the impresson that "to do it properly" you're usually going to have to focus-stack somehow, and that what follows is a matter of finding a reliable, efficient, high-quality-result way of doing so.
In asking the question above I wondered whether the problem with a long macro, maybe, was a perspective / framing / compression issue in some way, to do with being too-telephoto and making things look too flat somehow. Dunno. Thanks
It's not unusable but it does create a DOF issue so may have to focus stack more often and also maybe a space problem on a set
Thanks. I don't know much about all this (and sorry for all the under-informed waffle in my first post near the start of the thread).
I had assumed focus stacking was semi-necessary regardless to produce something that looks professional and shows enough of the product without soft areas. A few years ago I briefly dabbled with an adapted old manual-focus 50mm macro lens someone lent me. Even with that little thing, the tight depth of field was such a problem that I was pushing hard against some pretty tiny, yucky, severe-diffraction-inducing apertures. I was left with the impresson that "to do it properly" you're usually going to have to focus-stack somehow, and that what follows is a matter of finding a reliable, efficient, high-quality-result way of doing so.
In asking the question above I wondered whether the problem with a long macro, maybe, was a perspective / framing / compression issue in some way, to do with being too-telephoto and making things look too flat somehow. Dunno. Thanks
Sep 30, 2020 at 05:31 PM
p.2 #9In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
realVivek wrote:
5 axis stabilization is associated with only a few lenses (others than the new Sigma)- the Sony FE 90mm, CV 110/2.5 and perhaps the Canon 100 with an adapter. All the rest, only 3 axis stabilization.
Edit: the Tokina FE 100/2.8
The EF Tamron and Tokina 90's report focus distance, as does the Nikon 105/2.8 (both AFD and AFS), and the EF-mount Sigma 105/2.8, and, as you noted, both Canon 100's. I think the Tamron 90/2.8 (F004) will report focus distance for A-mount as well.
5 axis stabilization is associated with only a few lenses (others than the new Sigma)- the Sony FE 90mm, CV 110/2.5 and perhaps the Canon 100 with an adapter. All the rest, only 3 axis stabilization.
freaklikeme wrote
There are so many great macro lenses from 90-105 that can be had for half the price or less with better manual focus and the same five-axis IBIS, I don't see anything all that special here.The EF Tamron and Tokina 90's report focus distance, as does the Nikon 105/2.8 (both AFD and AFS), and the EF-mount Sigma 105/2.8, and, as you noted, both Canon 100's. I think the Tamron 90/2.8 (F004) will report focus distance for A-mount as well.
Sep 30, 2020 at 05:52 PM
p.2 #10In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
GHarris wrote:
This remark is interesting to me. What makes 150mm unsuitable for product photography?
If you're using the Irix 150, nothing. I use it all the time to shoot lenses for sale. It focus breathes quite a bit, so it's about a 125mm at those distances, and around 110mm at 1:1.
My AF-D Micro 60/2.8, on the other hand, focus breathes in the opposite direction, so it gets longer the closer you focus.
bobby350z wrote
To me 150mm can't be used where 90mm is useful, like product, food shots. 150mm is more useful for bugs etc.If you're using the Irix 150, nothing. I use it all the time to shoot lenses for sale. It focus breathes quite a bit, so it's about a 125mm at those distances, and around 110mm at 1:1.
My AF-D Micro 60/2.8, on the other hand, focus breathes in the opposite direction, so it gets longer the closer you focus.
Sep 30, 2020 at 06:05 PM
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p.2 #11In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
GHarris wrote:
This remark is interesting to me. What makes 150mm unsuitable for product photography?
Nothing except too long for some of the shots. It is like what makes 85mm good for portraits. There is a reason there is 90-100mm macros, then 150-180mm macros.
bobby350z wrote
To me 150mm can't be used where 90mm is useful, like product, food shots. 150mm is more useful for bugs etc.Nothing except too long for some of the shots. It is like what makes 85mm good for portraits.
There is a reason there is 90-100mm macros, then 150-180mm macros.Sep 30, 2020 at 06:24 PM
p.2 #12In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
DavidBM wrote:
It was tough to justify the FE 90 given the price, at least for the use case above.
I'm curious to see how they compare to each other, I guess I will find out.
-TimSounds like a good choice, Tim.
I will probably stick with the Sony for AF, but only because I like being able to set magnification manually, and because selling and buying is a hassle. The Sigma seems to have fixed the only visible issue with the 90 (mild LoCA) and offer even higher res and contrast along with great macro bokeh (a respect in which the CV, which I’ve also got, is good rather than great).
Relatedly, how great was the presentations by Yamaki? Who else tells you about their sales figures (selectively of course) and the downsides of both their older...Show more →
I've posted Yamaki's presentation on the original post. I've been following his presentations as well. It's interesting to hear Sigma's CEO laying out their priorities when designing a new lens.
Here it is again:
tsdevine wrote
I pre ordered, even though I have the CV 110. There are times where I'd like to do macro "improperly" aka more run and gun using AF-C, like Longwood Gardens with my family. (I wish Sony would implement trap focus...)It was tough to justify the FE 90 given the price, at least for the use case above.
I'm curious to see how they compare to each other, I guess I will find out.
-Tim
I will probably stick with the Sony for AF, but only because I like being able to set magnification manually, and because selling and buying is a hassle. The Sigma seems to have fixed the only visible issue with the 90 (mild LoCA) and offer even higher res and contrast along with great macro bokeh (a respect in which the CV, which I’ve also got, is good rather than great).
Relatedly, how great was the presentations by Yamaki? Who else tells you about their sales figures (selectively of course) and the downsides of both their older...Show more →
I've posted Yamaki's presentation on the original post. I've been following his presentations as well. It's interesting to hear Sigma's CEO laying out their priorities when designing a new lens.
Here it is again:
Sep 30, 2020 at 07:33 PM
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So it turns out macros are in high demand right now. Well at least he answers the question of why a macro lens. As much as it might be a surprise, Sigma is just producing what the market wants.
Sep 30, 2020 at 07:53 PM
p.2 #14In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
teddoman wrote:
So it turns out macros are in high demand right now. Well at least he answers the question of why a macro lens. As much as it might be a surprise, Sigma is just producing what the market wants.
Lot of people stay home and shooting things which they never did before. My case doing food photography as I can't shoot models in the studio. So need a macro. A TS-E with macro probably better for me.
So it turns out macros are in high demand right now. Well at least he answers the question of why a macro lens. As much as it might be a surprise, Sigma is just producing what the market wants.
Lot of people stay home and shooting things which they never did before. My case doing food photography as I can't shoot models in the studio. So need a macro. A TS-E with macro probably better for me.
Sep 30, 2020 at 09:39 PM
p.2 #15In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
Surprisingly, this is the only DG DN Sigma lens on B&H EDU discount. Wonder why this lens is discounted before release while other older lenses still don't qualify.
Sep 30, 2020 at 10:07 PM
p.2 #16In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
GabrielPhoto wrote:
If the Dustin Abbot comparison reflects how it compares to the FE 90mm, then it should affect pricing for the 90mm a LOT imo. Of course, we need to wait and see since I don't know how good the copy of the 90mm that Dustin used, is.
My Sony FE 90 tested to be about "equal" for overall IQ compared to the Voigtlander 105 APO macro I had; and posted some of those results on the CV 105 APO thread. The main advantage of the Voigtlander was obviously the APO'ness, but even the 90 isn't too bad in that regard I love the colors, contrast, and bokeh I get from the FE 90 AF/MF clutch works great in the field. It is also 110g lighter than the new Sigma. I'm a big fan of the 14-24 and 24-70 Sigma Arts's, but this one doesn't do it for me. I don't see anything about the Sigma that would make me want it over the Sony 90.
Fred Miranda wrote
I wonder if it will affect the used price for the FE 90/2.8. It currently sells for about $850 at the Buy and Sell board.My Sony FE 90 tested to be about "equal" for overall IQ compared to the Voigtlander 105 APO macro I had; and posted some of those results on the CV 105 APO thread. The main advantage of the Voigtlander was obviously the APO'ness, but even the 90 isn't too bad in that regard I love the colors, contrast, and bokeh I get from the FE 90 AF/MF clutch works great in the field. It is also 110g lighter than the new Sigma. I'm a big fan of the 14-24 and 24-70 Sigma Arts's, but this one doesn't do it for me. I don't see anything about the Sigma that would make me want it over the Sony 90.
Sep 30, 2020 at 10:42 PM
p.2 #17In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
pdmphoto wrote:
If the Dustin Abbot comparison reflects how it compares to the FE 90mm, then it should affect pricing for the 90mm a LOT imo. Of course, we need to wait and see since I don't know how good the copy of the 90mm that Dustin used, is.My Sony FE 90 tested to be about "equal" for overall IQ compared to the Voigtlander 105 APO macro I had; and posted some of those results on the CV 105 APO thread. The main advantage of the Voigtlander was obviously the APO'ness, but even the 90 isn't too bad in that regard I love the colors, contrast, and bokeh I get from the FE 90 AF/MF clutch works great in the field. It is also 110g lighter than the new Sigma. I'm a big fan of the 14-24 and 24-70 Sigma Arts's, but this one doesn't do it for...Show more →
It looks like it will beat the FE 90/2.8 in axial CA control. That may not be enough for current Sony owners to make the switch but it's something to consider. The Sony is sharp and contrasty at center but how the corners compared to the new Sigma? I do not know but it's worth investigating, especially for those in the market for a macro lens.
GabrielPhoto wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
I wonder if it will affect the used price for the FE 90/2.8. It currently sells for about $850 at the Buy and Sell board.It looks like it will beat the FE 90/2.8 in axial CA control. That may not be enough for current Sony owners to make the switch but it's something to consider. The Sony is sharp and contrasty at center but how the corners compared to the new Sigma? I do not know but it's worth investigating, especially for those in the market for a macro lens.
Sep 30, 2020 at 10:53 PM
p.2 #18In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
Interesting that this lens works with Sigma's teleconverters on L-mount for 147mm and 210mm conversions (not to mention the relative higher magnification). I wonder if the Sony teleconverters would work with the e-mount version.
Sep 30, 2020 at 11:05 PM
p.2 #19In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
grahamgibson wrote:
Interesting that this lens works with Sigma's teleconverters on L-mount for 147mm and 210mm conversions (not to mention the relative higher magnification). I wonder if the Sony teleconverters would work with the e-mount version.
It's a shame but likely not, just like the Sigma 100-400 DG DN E-mount is not compatible with teleconverters.
Interesting that this lens works with Sigma's teleconverters on L-mount for 147mm and 210mm conversions (not to mention the relative higher magnification). I wonder if the Sony teleconverters would work with the e-mount version.
It's a shame but likely not, just like the Sigma 100-400 DG DN E-mount is not compatible with teleconverters.
Sep 30, 2020 at 11:08 PM
p.2 #20In Stock: Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG DN Macro Art ($799)
The Sigma may give you a little lift in absolute resolution and color correction, but I'd take this into consideration when comparing the two. The G is 100+ grams lighter, has OSS, has what I think is one of the best MF designs for FBW lenses, and gives you, thanks to the similarity in MFD and difference in physical length, about three and a half more centimeters working distance at 1:1. It may not sound like much, but every centimeter counts when you're trying to light something tiny.
Or maybe I'm just jaded about new lenses. Every time I see one announced these days, my first thought is, "And how many of them are you going to produce that perform to that specification?" The more complex the lens, the less confident I am that percentage will be high.
Or maybe I'm just jaded about new lenses. Every time I see one announced these days, my first thought is, "And how many of them are you going to produce that perform to that specification?" The more complex the lens, the less confident I am that percentage will be high.
Sep 30, 2020 at 11:52 PM