p.2 #1 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Flowernut wrote:
I believe the glass is part of the optical formula like in a super telephoto. Not sure how big a difference it really makes but is required for best results.
I just tried three different Lenses without any filter or clear glass I was able to take pictures without anything in the adapter. So rather then get all messy I guess you can shoot without anything in the adapter and just put a piece of Gafer tape across the hole that would be your best bet. The Lenses I used were the 40mm,
135mm, 70 to 300
p.2 #2 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I guess I do not know what I am talking about. I have the Canon R , Canon R 5 , and 5 adapters. I have two reg adapters one with the dial one with the ND and one with the polarizer. I just took three different lenses and tried it. Do you I have nothing better to do then come on here and make up stories. Or maybe I imagined it.
p.2 #3 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Further clarification from Breakthrough.
Their rep said by "filter", they are referring not only to the actual glass but also the enclosing holder and rotating mechanism, where applicable. According to them their "filters" are directly compatible and interchangeable with those from Canon. It should be possible to pull a filter out of their new EF to RF adapter and insert it directly into one of the big whites, and vice versa.
p.2 #4 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I understand from other readings that their adapter is a different length than the canon straight tube version. I would guess canon's tubes that accept the polarizer and ND filter are different than the straight adpater tube. While not part or the original optical design, once you add one of these holders it becomes part of the combined optical formula just like an extension tube or an extender. Both canon and breakthrough I would think are offering clear filters for that reason. Otherwise you could provide a simple plastic snap in cover to plug the hole.
Most autofocus lenses focus beyond infinity and I would think could compensate for some small changes.
I found EB-1 more technical explainion interesting.
p.2 #5 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Flowernut wrote:
I understand from other readings that their adapter is a different length than the canon straight tube version. I would guess canon's tubes that accept the polarizer and ND filter are different than the straight adpater tube. While not part or the original optical design, once you add one of these holders it becomes part of the combined optical formula just like an extension tube or an extender. Both canon and breakthrough I would think are offering clear filters for that reason. Otherwise you could provide a simple plastic snap in cover to plug the hole.
Most autofocus lenses focus beyond infinity and I would think could compensate for some small changes.
I found EB-1 more technical explainion interesting....Show more →
All of the adapters are identical in size!!!!! 2 are plain, one has the ring, one has the polarizer, and one has the ND filter
p.2 #6 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I guess I should have looked at mine. I have only the canon ones. Visually they look identical but using a vernier caliper the one I have with the polarizer is 0.040 longer between the front lange and rear flange. The adapters that has the adj ring and the one without are identical maybe .001 at most different. Whether this is by design or manfacturing variation, I don't know. If there is a difference in the design, it is small enough not to be visually evident.
As to the breakthrough, I have it on order from their kickstarter days. I dont have one to compare. All I can say is that I remember reading somewhere there was a difference in the lengths to compensate for the extra glass.
Anyway, I think I will let wiser heads than me examine this issue.
p.2 #7 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
The rear lens elements have to be identically spaced from the sensor no matter what adapter you put on the camera. Not perfectly so, but with a very tiny tolerance of each other.
p.2 #8 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Has anyone bought or received any breakthrough flip in filters from Breakthrough or Kolari They show "BackOrder" or "PreOdreder" respectively. Any feedback if you have one.?
I have a canon version on back order and its taking forever. I am willing to try breakthrough or Kolari but I have no idea how long it would be and why order break through and wait for Breakthrough/Kolari and Canon at the same time.
p.2 #10 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
EGrav wrote:
Was told yesterday that no ETA on shipment. Hoping by end of November.
(Email from Breakthrough)
Thank you
Everything is difficult in the Covid time. R5 took several months of backorder. My L bracket is taking forever. It was hard to get the regular ef-rf adapter. Now I can get the adapter with CPL flip in but not adapter with ND flip in. But CPL is not that useful for really wide which is my usual target. And the alternatives (Breakthrough and Kolari) are not yet shipping. Which line should I join/exit - Canon or Breakthrough or both. Which reminds me I need to cancel a R5 preorder because my original preorder finally worked.
p.2 #11 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I wasn’t complaining. Just giving information to someone who asked about the drop in filters. Ooooops! It was you who asked if anyone had heard anything.
p.2 #13 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I placed an order last week with breakthrough- even though I don’t have the R5 yet - around 100 people ahead of me at The camera store.
I ordered the breakthrough holder with the polarizer for $299 and that comes with a free clear filter. Was told ETA is end of November and the ship in sequence of when the order was placed (was still among first 500 orders that get a free clear filter). Was also told that filters with the rotating rings (polarizer and vari ND, may be delayed). I intend on placing order for vari ND separately. Sells for &129.
Lastllly, when I went to the canon road show at the camera store they had the drop in with the polarizer - no vari nd. They told me the holder must be used with a filter - if not using polarizer, you need the clear.
p.2 #14 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Flowernut wrote:
I believe the glass is part of the optical formula like in a super telephoto. Not sure how big a difference it really makes but is required for best results.
Yes, it is part of the optical path. I tested a Mamiya A 300/2.8 APO (manual focus) with and without a clear filter in the drop-in; without, it could focus to a max. of about 5 km. IOW, it could not reach infinity, without the clear filter. IOOW, the plane of critical focus at infinity was located slightly in front of the sensor. A slightly slimmer adapter would have worked, but all of my other M645 lens infinity hard-stops would be thrown off, and so that was a no go.
OTOH, it might not be so important with modern AF lenses and AF cameras. Time will tell.
p.2 #15 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I checked in with my local camera store - I have the canon drop in adapter and nd on order for $500cdn. I understood that I am number 5 on the order list and have been for a month.
He indicated that:
- Not likely to get any adapter/nd until Jan. There is a world wide shortage.
- The shortage is for the adapter not the filters. You can still get a cpl or nd 1.8-8 but not the adapters
- [but then I ordered the drop in plus CPL elsewhere and phoned back to order just nd filter by itself and the next guy said okay I will put order and see what happens ]. But adorama and B&H show 2-4 weeks so I am optimistic
Just letting you know - it might be a while before I get what I want. Or maybe I will end up with Breaktrhrough ND in the Canon adapter with a CPL for $800 is possible [all above is cdn$]
I am just providing this update here presuming its true because it might mean that breakthrough if Nov is a good option. Cheaper and faster.
Aurora-Aperture continues to be backordered - or something - they are fund raising to achieve theirs and their web site says that they are delivering at a discount to those that fund. But who knows. And their solution is an insert in the standard adapter instead of a drop in.
As per above Breakthrough allows you to back order but as indicated above thats at least November and the delivery date could be longer for a combination vs 1 piece at a time.
Kolari has filters for the drop in but they are pre-order - whatever that means.
Either Canon is blowing the market away (causing the demand) or simple things like adapters are tough because of Covid.
p.2 #16 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Scott Stoness wrote:
He indicated that:
- Not likely to get any adapter/nd until Jan. There is a world wide shortage.
- The shortage is for the adapter not the filters. You can still get a cpl or nd 1.8-8 but not the adapters
Either Canon is blowing the market away (causing the demand) or simple things like adapters are tough because of Covid.
I ordered mine early January through the Canon's Canada's e-store. They had a terrific sale at the time and I saved a couple hundred on an ND adapter and a Polarizer drop-in. Back then there was a 3 week delay in fulfilling the order as the ND adapter was unavailable. Mine shipped at the end of January.
p.2 #17 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
burningheart wrote:
I ordered mine early January through the Canon's Canada's e-store. They had a terrific sale at the time and I saved a couple hundred on an ND adapter and a Polarizer drop-in. Back then there was a 3 week delay in fulfilling the order as the ND adapter was unavailable. Mine shipped at the end of January.
Burningheart:
Can you advise ? - is it worth waiting for the canon vari-ND - eg IQ good? Or should I just pursue nd3,6,10?
Canon vari reviews suggest no X effect [polarizing each side effect causing X pattern on uwa in broad image], too easy adjustment causing inadvertent adjustment. and colour cast at 9 stop but not when back off a bit, but they don't say much about iq. I do a lot of UWA at 12,15,17mm and X matters to me and so does iq - the other stuff are livable and 1 filter one adapter is very appealing.
Reviews I have seen suggest Kolari glass is best [gorrila glass] and Canon and Breakthrough are just about as good [Schot glass] and very close. But its not clear whether Breakthrough vari ND uses their best glass [X4 - school glass]. Maybe I should just get a nd3, nd6, nd10, and cp3 from Breakthrough if I can in Nov - and skip the canon vari nd.
p.2 #18 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
I’ve pre-ordered the breakthrough holder, vari me and polarizer with the free clear filter. The holder and clear filter have the November start date fir shipments (ship based on order date), but I was told any filter with a rotating ring (polarizer and vari), may me delayed longer. I would think it would still be before Canon - I’m not even sure when my R5 will be in. Scott Stoness wrote:
Burningheart:
Can you advise ? - is it worth waiting for the canon vari-ND - eg IQ good? Or should I just pursue nd3,6,10?
Canon vari reviews suggest no X effect [polarizing each side effect causing X pattern on uwa in broad image], too easy adjustment causing inadvertent adjustment. and colour cast at 9 stop but not when back off a bit, but they don't say much about iq. I do a lot of UWA at 12,15,17mm and X matters to me and so does iq - the other stuff are livable and 1 filter one adapter is very appealing.
Reviews I have seen suggest Kolari glass is best [gorrila glass] and Canon and Breakthrough are just about as good [Schot glass] and very close. But its not clear whether Breakthrough vari ND uses their best glass [X4 - school glass]. Maybe I should just get a nd3, nd6, nd10, and cp3 from Breakthrough if I can in Nov - and skip the canon vari nd....Show more →
p.2 #19 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
khurram1 wrote:
I’ve pre-ordered the breakthrough holder, vari me and polarizer with the free clear filter. The holder and clear filter have the November start date fir shipments (ship based on order date), but I was told any filter with a rotating ring (polarizer and vari), may me delayed longer. I would think it would still be before Canon - I’m not even sure when my R5 will be in.
Thanks Khurram1 - I already have 2 of the base adapters --- and a canon/cpl drop in adapter coming. The base ones are probably safer than the clear drop in - why add more glass - but then less fussing with adapters - choices, choices... . And the ordered canon nd drop vari will be 1.8stops which should be okay for dawn/dusk. I am tempted by the nd6 x4 breakthrough because non variable x4 must be better than vari and who knows if I will get the canon vari filter in any event before January. Let me know if you every get the R5 and need to borrow an adapter because I will have 3 of them soon [ I am planning for one permanently on my 600 and 1 permanently on my 200-400 when I buy the 100-500 RF]
p.2 #20 · Break Through Photography announces new EF to RF drop in filter adapter
Scott Stoness wrote:
Burningheart:
Can you advise ? - is it worth waiting for the canon vari-ND - eg IQ good? Or should I just pursue nd3,6,10?
Canon vari reviews suggest no X effect [polarizing each side effect causing X pattern on uwa in broad image], too easy adjustment causing inadvertent adjustment. and colour cast at 9 stop but not when back off a bit, but they don't say much about iq. I do a lot of UWA at 12,15,17mm and X matters to me and so does iq - the other stuff are livable and 1 filter one adapter is very appealing.
Reviews I have seen suggest Kolari glass is best [gorrila glass] and Canon and Breakthrough are just about as good [Schot glass] and very close. But its not clear whether Breakthrough vari ND uses their best glass [X4 - school glass]. Maybe I should just get a nd3, nd6, nd10, and cp3 from Breakthrough if I can in Nov - and skip the canon vari nd....Show more →
I’m using the Canon vari Nd drop in and image quality is excellent—so long as you back off a bit at full strength.
Joseph
because my original preorder finally worked.