I have however done controlled tests with bokeh circles, and it’s often visible above 1/2k second.
Yes, it is visible. With the A9 there isn't a problem in E-shutter, but with the other Sonys it can happen and I have it from time to time. At venues the problem is mostly irrelevant, but when shooting the bride and groom attention is warranted.
I wasn't 100% happy with Godox overall, as the they tend to sporadically misfire. We now use Profoto A1x and they never filed once so far. Of course they are expensive, but we always buy when special offers are available ;-)
p.58 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am calling BS on this--not you Steve, but I am highly suspicious of Brian Smith here.
I've noticed a trend with Sony ambassadors. It's almost as if they are doing exactly what Sony is targeting...you know, specifically mentioning the RX1 being surpassed/outdate/no longer needed.
Chad Wadsworth was saying the FE 35 1.8 was an RX1 killer. Nice try lol, not even close.
Ray Larose, privy to an ZX1, specifically went out of his way to mention how the lens was smoother bokeh than the RX1 Sonnar. Perhaps, but extremely doubtful, and no samples posted.
Brian Smith, another Sony guy, goes out of his way to mention the EVF is better than the RX1r2 despite the specs say otherwise. We'll see, highly doubtful.
I think it's apparent that Sony hasn't been able to replicate the RX1 line, and they'd like to buy enough credibility though ambassadors' press to kill it. Sony can't quite get that stubborn unique little camera off shooters minds despite their many new products.
p.58 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Regarding the 28-60 that this camera seems well paired for...
I know "kit-lens" is considered a curse word around these parts, but the new 28-60 kit lens is actually pretty good! Long end is best, but still good enough wide as well. Sony has been getting a lot of heat over the years for putting out crummy kit lenses, so this is nice to see them kick it up a notch. I would totally use one for travel and backpacking if I had a FF Sony instead of APS-C. It will be interesting to see how the lens holds up to higher MP sensors.
p.58 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am calling BS on this--not you Steve, but I am highly suspicious of Brian Smith here.
I've noticed a trend with Sony ambassadors. It's almost as if they are doing exactly what Sony is targeting...you know, specifically mentioning the RX1 being surpassed/outdate/no longer needed.
Chad Wadsworth was saying the FE 35 1.8 was an RX1 killer. Nice try lol, not even close.
Ray Larose, privy to an ZX1, specifically went out of his way to mention how the lens was smoother bokeh than the RX1 Sonnar. Perhaps, but extremely doubtful, and no samples posted.
Brian Smith, another Sony guy, goes out of his way to mention the EVF is better than the RX1r2 despite the specs say otherwise. We'll see, highly doubtful.
I think it's apparent that Sony hasn't been able to replicate the RX1 line, and they'd like to buy enough credibility though ambassadors' press to kill it. Sony can't quite get that stubborn unique little camera off shooters minds despite their many new products.
Agree totally which is why I finally broke down and just bought one of those Rx1rii's that was listed. Sold my 35mm 1.8 same day. The pairing of that lens with that sensor is just to good to pass up any longer. Even if it is 5 years old. I kept waiting for anyone to produce a compact lens that produced the same look. Anyway this means a 35GM is right around the corner for everyone else Your Welcome!
p.58 #5 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
chiron wrote:
There do seem to be a number of RX1 bodies up for sale or recently sold on the B&S forum in recent weeks.
As much as I liked the RX1 the EVF pop up got in the way of flash triggers or on camera flashes and it made it useless for my work. Loved the lens though
GMPhotography wrote:
As much as I liked the RX1 the EVF pop up got in the way of flash triggers or on camera flashes and it made it useless for my work. Loved the lens though
Ha, that's some dedication to making the RX1RII work for you! I guess we could call that a mildly destructive but inexpensive solution. How have you found the RX1RII for flash work? The leaf shutter has always made it tempting for some shallow DOF/Sunset portrait type work where that high flash sync would really come in to play.
p.58 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
JohanEickmeyer wrote:
Regarding the 28-60 that this camera seems well paired for...
I know "kit-lens" is considered a curse word around these parts, but the new 28-60 kit lens is actually pretty good! Long end is best, but still good enough wide as well. Sony has been getting a lot of heat over the years for putting out crummy kit lenses, so this is nice to see them kick it up a notch. I would totally use one for travel and backpacking if I had a FF Sony instead of APS-C. It will be interesting to see how the lens holds up to higher MP sensors.
p.58 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
raminolta wrote:
I find it naive that if this camera sells well, Sony will be making a more advanced version of the same form factor with all the omissions (touch interface, buttons and dials, evf, etc.). I think the logical conclusion would be people don't mind paying almost the same price for a watered down version of the same camera. Sony takes consumers for a bunch of fools. Next, they come up with a severely watered down version of A7r iv, A9, etc and price them for $200 less. Next the right substitutions will be priced far more. I am afraid A7c may just mean Sony's supply of innovations and new ideas has hit the bottom of the pit. From now on, they are after marketing tricks and hypes in order to sell. Canon also reached almost to the same point in their DSLR line until they switched to mirrorless.
Maybe, but that seems a bit cynical to me. I do think Sony is cooling down a bit now that they're leading a segment of the market. Thankfully, Canon seems to be picking up a lot of steam and finally providing some decent competition so I don't see Sony resting for too long.
Specifically, I see the future of the A7c as more rosy because as a long time Sony shooter the first generation of a new body/form-factor is usually awkward and crippled in ways that seem obvious to everyone but Sony—usually because Sony intends to hit one target but ends up appealing to a different market. The NEX series are a great example, it took several iteration before they focused on the prosumers/professionals with the NEX-7/A6XXX series—although the A6XXX design did stagnant before really maturing properly IMO—so the 'c' series may never be everything it could become.
The A7c was clearly developed on a long time table but ultimately rushed out just to get some early sales—I don't see any other excuse for the old menu system and processor.
p.58 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
realVivek wrote:
I’ ve shown these before. You can shave the commander or the flash a tiny bit so that the EVF can be used.
As much as I liked the RX1 the EVF pop up got in the way of flash triggers or on camera flashes and it made it useless for my work. Loved the lens though
It also works just fine with the latest FlashPoint R2 trigger—no shaving needed. Can post pics later if people are interested. I personally don't see dropping the RX1 for the A7C. The improved AF would be nice but I love the quick flip out screen on the RX1, the dedicated aperture dial, and the custom function buttons—not the mention the lens! I could live with the A7C EVF, I do make due with the RX1, but with a fixed EVF such a low resolution and magnification seems inexcusable.
p.58 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Making compromises to minimize the size of the kit and fit the use case has always been the case in photography. Specs are important, but so is shooting/carrying/packing experience.
Often times its just a matter of working within the limitations because it isn't always practical/desirable to carry a big kit. Zooms vs small primes, small aperture compact lens vs large fast aperture lens, AF lenses vs compact/optically great MF lenses. Tamron zooms are highly regarded because they are compact and optically great, but they compromise on focal range and IS. RX1RII is highly regarded, but it involves some pretty severe compromises....it lacked IBIS and battery life is terrible, but I'd carry 4 batteries in my pocket to make it through the day because it's a joy to carry and the output is superlative.
a7c follows the same concept...make some compromises to keep the kit compact and encourage you to shoot in situations where you might otherwise have nothing other than your phone.
p.58 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
It does look good. It could work well for landscapes at f/8 as well.
Yes I'm really looking forward to tests of its f8 performance. If it ends up working well then it could be an awesome multi day hiking landscape lens combined with either something longer, or perhaps a faster lens in the same range for pictures of one's hiking crew.
p.58 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
randomguy wrote:
Is it possible to buy the kit lens without buying an a7c?
It's scheduled to be released in the spring of 2021 as a stand-alone product so until then it can only be bought together with a7c (or perhaps separately from 2nd hand market). Also the price quoted for the stand-alone lens in Japan is around 60000 JPY which would make it a bit expensive compared to the price when you buy it as part of the a7c kit bundle.
I ordered my a7c without the kit lens. I wanted to keep the cost as low as possible since I'm buying various other stuff this month also... In hindsight it might have been better to include it.
p.58 #18 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
DavidBM wrote:
Yes I'm really looking forward to tests of its f8 performance. If it ends up working well then it could be an awesome multi day hiking landscape lens combined with either something longer, or perhaps a faster lens in the same range for pictures of one's hiking crew.
I agree. It's small enough that I could see adding it to my small MF landscape travel kit for a "just in case I need autofocus" lens.
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