p.30 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
I want it specifically for the side, to walk around doing handheld work with mf lenses. By no means would this be a primary body for me.
There are a lot of drawbacks to it, but there simply are no other bodies out there in its size/weight class which can deliver a similar sensor performance
I know it is a great cam. I just not sure how you can truly get around the shutter shock easily and consistently . Thats why I say no and im a pig no question I will and do look at things at 100 percent. Are the A7rII out of reach money wise, that is a nice upgrade for sure. Its slightly bigger
p.30 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
GMPhotography wrote:
I know it is a great cam. I just not sure how you can truly get around the shutter shock easily and consistently . Thats why I say no and im a pig no question I will and do look at things at 100 percent. Are the A7rII out of reach money wise, that is a nice upgrade for sure. Its slightly bigger
I'm honestly more interested in how the 36MP sensor renders, it's the best looking of all the A7 series IMHO. The A7RII is also almost 50% heavier, although it's only really slightly deeper (12mm, mostly in the grip). Going from 465g to 625g is a huge jump in mass though.
The other aspect is I'm just buying this for pure fun, mostly with cheap M & LTM lenses. Nothing serious, I'd be definitely moving up to a newer body if I was at all looking for serious work. the A7R has a couple advantages over the regular A7, mostly in the way of RAW format and how the sensor renders. Plus the A7R is cheap enough to be a toy camera, the A7RII and up are enough extra that I'd need to come up with a justification to invest.
p.30 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Adam, I've used ( still use as a backup / second camera ) the A7r for documentary work when traveling. My longest focal length is 85mm and I'd never seemed to be affected by shutter shock. I'm almost always hand holding so without IBIS, I had to increase the ISO...but still the images were great out of this camera. It's AF is fine for how I use it and the shutter sound though loud I quickly got used to it. The weight of the A7R compared to the A7R2/3 is very noticeable when carrying it around. I was hugely disappointed with the increase in camera size and weight starting with the A7R2.
I've seen them for under $500 so it's really a small investment to try out. The images from this camera are very nice...I find they are nicer than the images I get out of the A7R2/3. I'll never sell the A7R...it's just a great camera to take along anywhere you go.
p.30 #7 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fascinating how mentioning the A7R, with all our memories of quirks and glory, can derail a thread more than a drunken sailor in the Island of the Caribbean... lol
On topic:
I like the concept of the A7C.
For the price to work, this needs to be a stripped down A7IV, not a pimped A7III, though.
Assuming the A7IV will be like the A7SIII but with only 4k60, 1080p120, 5MP EVF. It should have the new UI, new touch, new tracking, new processor, new codecs and 10bit, but no external RAW or fancy codec variants like All-I.
With these specs the A7IV might still be a hot seller at 300 bucks more than the A7III was?
Based on this imaginary A7IV, the A7C could then be a cripple hammer haunted derivate with 2-3MP EVF, less buttons and a throttled processor with lesser fps and slower readout, more jello.
Same price or 100 less, a tradeoff portability vs last-mile-awesome-sauce.
A could see this work.
When the A7C is a upgraded A7III, though, a couple of month before the A7IV hits? Bad move IMO. You only have one shot at introducing a new concept like this. Don‘t hurry.
p.30 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I was trying to figure out if this will be a good alt body for me (I have an A7R2) and also a replacement for my wife's APS-C -- then I realized she has the A6300, and given she always uses the 16-50 lens, I don't think an A7C will really add anything to that.
Sep 14, 2020 at 02:15 PM
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p.30 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
A key question for me is whether the 509g that we have seen listed as the weight is with or without the battery and the card. The battery weighs 85g, so if the weight is without the battery there is very little weight saving over the A7 III that has very similar specifications. If the weight includes the battery and card, it is light and small enough that I may consider it as my travel camera at least in the short run. I have been thinking a lot about getting a Leica M10 kit for travel, but with the reduced weight this would be competitive.
Sony A7c kit-
camera - 509g
Voigtlander 15 f/4.5 III E-mount - 298g
Loxia 21 f/2.8 - 374g
Voigtlander 35 f/1.2 SE - 387g
Voigtlander 75 f/1.5 M-mount - 350g (50g for Hawk's adapter)
Leica M 135 f/3.4 - 450g
total - 2418g
Leica M10 kit-
camera - 660g
Voigtlander 15 f/4.5 III - 247g
Leica M 21 f/3.4 Asph - 279g
Voigtlander 35 f/1.2 III - 332g
Voigtlander 75 f/1.4 - 350g
Leica M 135 f/3.4 - 450g
total - 2318g
So, all in all pretty similar weight between the two kits with just 100g less for the Leica kit and I could make the weights almost identical if I went with Voigt 15 and 35 in Leica M mount without losing much performance. So, the new camera does look good to me as a possible travel camera for what I like for travel and the way I shoot. I very may well get it. Ultimately, I like the optical rangefinder, but that is a different story. This camera, however, gives me a kit with similar lenses and a camera that has some other very nice features. I find it very tempting. Not sure at all how many will feel similarly, but I like the concept a lot and the implementation (although I could certainly nit-pick) is quite decent. I am glad Sony is making it.
p.30 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Steve Spencer wrote:
A key question for me is whether the 509g that we have seen listed as the weight is with or without the battery and the card. The battery weighs 85g, so if the weight is without the battery there is very little weight saving over the A7 III that has very similar specifications. If the weight includes the battery and card, it is light and small enough that I may consider it as my travel camera at least in the short run. I have been thinking a lot about getting a Leica M10 kit for travel, but with the reduced weight this would be competitive.
Sony A7c kit-
camera - 509g
Voigtlander 15 f/4.5 III E-mount - 298g
Loxia 21 f/2.8 - 374g
Voigtlander 35 f/1.2 SE - 387g
Voigtlander 75 f/1.5 M-mount - 350g (50g for Hawk's adapter)
Leica M 135 f/3.4 - 450g
total - 2418g
Leica M10 kit-
camera - 660g
Voigtlander 15 f/4.5 III - 247g
Leica M 21 f/3.4 Asph - 279g
Voigtlander 35 f/1.2 III - 332g
Voigtlander 75 f/1.4 - 350g
Leica M 135 f/3.4 - 450g
total - 2318g
So, all in all pretty similar weight between the two kits with just 100g less for the Leica kit and I could make the weights almost identical if I went with Voigt 15 and 35 in Leica M mount without losing much performance. So, the new camera does look good to me as a possible travel camera for what I like for travel and the way I shoot. I very may well get it. Ultimately, I like the optical rangefinder, but that is a different story. This camera, however, gives me a kit with similar lenses and a camera that has some other very nice features. I find it very tempting. Not sure at all how many will feel similarly, but I like the concept a lot and the implementation (although I could certainly nit-pick) is quite decent. I am glad Sony is making it....Show more →
“With battery and memory Card included Approx. 509g
p.30 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Charlie N wrote:
wow, seriously light weight
Yeah, I thought so too. Plus, rumors indicated the passive cooling system of the A7Siii is present, so we probably won’t have heat issues despite how small and congested the innards of that little body is.
p.30 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Light, and as the video above shows, does indeed look sharp in all black, at least to my eyes. My needs right now are lens based...ok, my 'wants' right now are lens based...but otherwise that looks like a great release.
I'm excited to see how the camera performs and to see if it begets a line of cameras. Even if this first release doesn't make any sense for me right now, the base platform has likely laid down the engineering for interesting future evolution and iterations.
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