p.17 #3 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I just don't think that kit lens have any reason to exist, not in that form, it would have to be G level of sharpness to make sense
and I was wondering, by the way it seems not to be pushing the video features, it couldn't be a sensor like the 36 or 42mp since the pricing is not far from the rII
I really had hopes it would look more like a grown RX1 than that, at the very least put a threaded shutter
p.17 #5 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Mystik wrote:
My beef with Sony FF is that they've given up on the early premise that FF mirrorless can be compact as the bodies got larger and larger to accomodate massive lenses. Those original a7 bodies had a lot of shortcomings, but they were fun to shoot on for sure. I also hope Sony fulfills the early vision of high quality. Basically more FE55 1.8 type lenses that are smaller in max aperture, but optically perform at a high level.
Exactly like you said. The first gen small size bodies and lenses were what drew a lot of people to Sony. As each new body gets bigger and bulkier and the lenses become DSLR sized we lose a little more of what made the early models so great.
I fear this "compact" body will weigh 700g.
As someone else said in this thread, if they would only add EFCS to the A7R..........
p.17 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Looks great to me. The theme is simplicity and compactness. It is way up on the Fuji X cameras because it is full frame. That is a major and insuperable advantage. I never have used the front dial much because of the way I shoot. The exposure compensation dial is much more important to me. If that weren't there, it would be a problem.
I loved using the a6500 and found it lovely to handle, but it was aps-c. To me, this appears to have the qualities that made the a6500 so lovely but with a full frame sensor that offers the best current overall image quality of any of Sony's sensors and in a slender, compact body that will be fun to carry and to handle.
Of course, I want to see the specs, the reviews, and the back of the camera. But if it delivers the A73 plus some improvements in a a6500 sized body, I'm in.
And if the kit lens delivers the quality of the 16-70/4.0 in an FE version, and if they follow that with a compact lens of the quality of the 10-18/4.0 in an FE version, then those are two of the lenses that I would want. If they follow those two with an FE 28mm version of the Sony-Zeiss 24mm 1.8, then I will be a very happy photographer.
And if their next C body is an A9C? Zowie!
How many custom buttons does the Leica M10 have?
How individuals will feel about this camera will depend a lot on what and how they like to shoot. For my purposes, it is possible this will be close to perfect.
p.17 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Looks to me like the grip is NOT the larger grip that the A6600 has, but a smaller version like the A6400. Odd. The lack of a front dial doesn't bother me too much, but hopefully there are at least a couple custom buttons on the back.
p.17 #10 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I would have like the larger grip. But, this could be a concept or design camera we are seeing in the picture.
For what I shoot, mainly street, this seems like a good fit. Don't need all the bells and whistles. My M10P had very minimal buttons and dials and worked just fine for my needs.
p.17 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Looks exactly as advertised...like an entry level compact camera. I'm sure it will draw a lot of users to Sony and will likely end up in the bags of many an enthusiast as well. If the kit zoom is sharp across the frame in the f/8 - f/11 range, that could make it a nice hiking/camping/trekking option for lots of folk who are concerned about weight and space.
Pricing feels a little high, but I'll reserve judgement till it's actually released and tested. Silver makes it look cheap, IMO. The black will look sharper.
p.17 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
The plot thickens! Going after Fujifilm? Very interesting but not so sure Fujifilm fans will agree
Now we have a photo. Cool. Waiting to opine until I see the whole enchilada. New Concept must mean more than what we are seeing in this photo and the rumored specs. I think there may just be something else special in this A7c package.
On another note. I understand why people get frustrated with SAR ( e.g., the forever coming A7sIII) and quickly forget the many Sony rumors that have come true over the years +/- a few that did not. But looks like SAR, with the help of a few other on-line resources were not so far off track...again.
p.17 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
This looks like a very minimal engineering effort on Sony's part to create a new product: Bits and pieces from FF and DX bodies and non-high IQ (most likely) set of lenses that are matched to the 24MP sensor resolving power (this likely has a LP filter I would expect).
Might be interested depending on what's on the back.
p.17 #14 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
LBJ2 wrote:
The plot thickens! Going after Fujifilm? Very interesting but not so sure Fujifilm fans will agree
Fujifilm fans are obviously happy with their APS-C sensors, so they will not be tempted by this camera and will level all the usual criticisms of Sony design at this.
This is similar to the Micro 4/3 fans who were happy with their sensors and found other aspects of Sony cameras to criticize.
But for those of us for whom a FF sensor is a killer feature, any perceived advantages of Fujifilm APS-C and micro 4/3 cameras don't tempt us.
p.17 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Jeff Kott wrote:
Fujifilm fans are obviously happy with their APS-C sensors, so they will not be tempted by this camera and will level all the usual criticisms of Sony design at this.
This is similar to the Micro 4/3 fans who were happy with their sensors and found other aspects of Sony cameras to criticize.
But for those of us for whom a FF sensor is a killer feature, any perceived advantages of Fujifilm APS-C and micro 4/3 cameras don't tempt us.
Yes, this. I have a Fujifilm X100s and I truly enjoy Fuji's cameras and lenses; I think they're fantastic. The haptics are great, they perform well and look sharp, as in aesthetically. I've been meaning to pick an XT1/2/3/4 up for years. Yet I haven't...because every time I think it's a good idea and I'm about to take the leap, I open up a RAW file from my ancient (in digital terms) A7R backup camera and compare it to one from my Fuji and think something like 'You know, maybe I'll just buy the Sigma 45 and keep it on my A7R all the time'.
If I had an endless pool of money for photography, I'd also own a Fuji system. I don't, however, so the 'killer feature' that keeps me from adding siblings to my X100s is indeed a Sony FF sensor.
p.17 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
LBJ2 wrote:
The plot thickens! Going after Fujifilm? Very interesting but not so sure Fujifilm fans will agree
This is a great body, but unless it's sub-$1k, it's not going after Fuji users in any regards other than 'compact'. In terms of layout, this is an X-E type body, not an X-Pro killer. No OVF or hybrid finder, limited physical controls, etc. Fuji's last X-E body sells for $600 or so these days.
The 28-60 is also a marginal spec, especially since Nikon's gone and done a 24-50. Most photographers are going to find 24mm more useful than 60mm. That said, Nikon doesn't have a body this small, so it's a little moot.
What the 28-60 can be is a neat kit lens that replaces the FE28-70 across the board with a smaller & better lens. That means more for a notional A7III kit post A7IV release than the A7c. It doesn't solve the challenge that all the competing kit lenses are wider (Panny's 20-60 being king here for wide, but Nikon's kits are all 24-xx and Canon's are all 24-xxx)
That said, if that pic is indeed the A7c, it's going to make a number of folks who like compact bodies happy. Same ergonomics as the A6600, and those bodies handle better than their rep suggests. Paired with compact FE lenses like the Samyang's, or adapted M lenses and you have a great combo for unobtrusive & lightweight work.
p.17 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
chiron wrote:
...... It is way up on the Fuji X cameras because it is full frame. That is a major and insuperable advantage. .....
I think once you try to limit the FF to a compact for factor, then the FF advantage over something like a Fuji setup goes away. Fuji f1.4 and f1.2 primes are same size or smaller compared to f1.8 or f2 lenses from Sony and Nikon. For example you can look at the following link to see A7III with FE85mm1.8 against X-T3 with 56mm f1.2 and X-E3 with 56mm 1.2:
Similarly an f2.8-4 zoom for fuji is similar or smaller compared to a f4-5.6 zoom for FF. So unless you use larger and heavier lenses on FF, you won't see any advantage in terms of high ISO capability and DOF control.
Of course FF will still offer higher base ISO DR, so for something like landscape shooting the advantage would still be there. However at that point you would be looking at using a tripod and other accessories and the size difference between say A7III and A7c becomes less relevant.
This is not to say that I am not interested in and excited about a compact FF camera, but just want to point out that I don't think the advantage is as significant as you might imagine.
p.17 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Jeff Kott wrote:
Fujifilm fans are obviously happy with their APS-C sensors, so they will not be tempted by this camera and will level all the usual criticisms of Sony design at this.
This is similar to the Micro 4/3 fans who were happy with their sensors and found other aspects of Sony cameras to criticize.
But for those of us for whom a FF sensor is a killer feature, any perceived advantages of Fujifilm APS-C and micro 4/3 cameras don't tempt us.
I don't know why people get so compartmentalized in one camp or the other. Personally I use a Fuji APS-C system, and a Sony FF (RX1RII) and a Nikon FF DSLR. Each one has its own tradeoffs. If you tell me FF is categorically better than APS-C I would argue against it. If someone says APS-C is all anyone needs and FF is not needed, I would argue against that as well.
p.17 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
curious80 wrote:
I think once you try to limit the FF to a compact for factor, then the FF advantage over something like a Fuji setup goes away. Fuji f1.4 and f1.2 primes are same size or smaller compared to f1.8 or f2 lenses from Sony and Nikon. For example you can look at the following link to see A7III with FE85mm1.8 against X-T3 with 56mm f1.2 and X-E3 with 56mm 1.2:
Similarly an f2.8-4 zoom for fuji is similar or smaller compared to a f4-5.6 zoom for FF. So unless you use larger and heavier lenses on FF, you won't see any advantage in terms of high ISO capability and DOF control.
Of course FF will still offer higher base ISO DR, so for something like landscape shooting the advantage would still be there. However at that point you would be looking at using a tripod and other accessories and the size difference between say A7III and A7c becomes less relevant.
This is not to say that I am not interested in and excited about a compact FF camera, but just want to point out that I don't think the advantage is as significant as you might imagine....Show more →
This is a camera that could destroy Fuji. I have a few Fujis and this one if it's small enough, it would put all my Fujis in retirement.
