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p.2 #1Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
Sony should be able to make a fantastic 28mm, possibly APO. Think of the progression from the 24mm f1.4 GM and the 20mm f1.8 G, and compare those, for example with its initial efforts with the 28mm Sony.
The Sony 20mm f1.8 has extremely low chromatic abberration. Better by a lot than any other wide angle lens at or near 20mm that I've used, including the Batis 18mm, Loxia 21mm, CV 21mm f3.5, Sony 24mm f1.4 and Batis 25mm. The Batis 25mm was probably the worst of those lenses for CA.
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The Sony 20mm f1.8 has extremely low chromatic abberration. Better by a lot than any other wide angle lens at or near 20mm that I've used, including the Batis 18mm, Loxia 21mm, CV 21mm f3.5, Sony 24mm f1.4 and Batis 25mm. The Batis 25mm was probably the worst of those lenses for CA.
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Jul 15, 2020 at 03:57 PM
p.2 #2Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I would have bought the 40mm if it was an APO like my 65mm. But a 35mm would suffice...
Jul 15, 2020 at 03:58 PM
p.2 #3Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I'll buy any wide angle APO they care to make, even a 35mm (not my favourite FL but lenses that good transcend FLs to some degree). The extra depth in the image from APO may even work best at 35mm, the peerless SL 35/2 is Karbe's favourite lens.
People will look back on the CV APO lenses in ten years, wondering how they were so affordable for the picture quality on offer. But they probably will not, having just released the very good 35/1.2. Maybe next year, post-corona.
“If you want to have such a high contrast, you need to apply apochromatic correction. It’s very important” - Peter Karbe
People will look back on the CV APO lenses in ten years, wondering how they were so affordable for the picture quality on offer. But they probably will not, having just released the very good 35/1.2. Maybe next year, post-corona.
“If you want to have such a high contrast, you need to apply apochromatic correction. It’s very important” - Peter Karbe
Jul 15, 2020 at 06:35 PM
p.2 #4Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I still wonder which 35mm lens might be the most similar lens to the Apo50. The ultron does have too many flaws.
Jul 16, 2020 at 03:31 AM
p.2 #5Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I mostly hope for a new E-mount 28mm from them, preferably a relatively small and light one similar to 21/3.5. Would be happy it resembled their 28/3.5 LTM in rendering. I'm not especially hoping for APO lenses, but since their APO Lanthar 50/2 and 65/2 remain their best selling E-mount lenses at least in Japan I think they will likely release some more in that style going forward.
Other 28mm options would be very interesting too but if it gets >400g I would not use it quite as frequently in the long run.
Other 28mm options would be very interesting too but if it gets >400g I would not use it quite as frequently in the long run.
Jul 16, 2020 at 03:51 AM
p.2 #6Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
Looking at the economics of it, the very light (9/8) 21/3.5 is very affordable at $600 at present; and the (13/11) 21/1.4 is $1100 and a little porky at 560g, even on Sony cameras.
28mm is easier to design and to keep light and less expensive (all things being equal), and most traditional 28mm lenses are like this. It was long regarded as the normal focal length for wide angles and tended to be the 'plain jane' of ranges.
There is no reason they cannot do both, using as design inspiration a re-purposing of the two 21s. They have form in making several very different lenses at key focal lengths, once they decide it's important.
Not sure if the 21/1.4 sells well in Japan, too expensive for most users? 28mm would be a great FL to see at f1.4 if it was as good or maybe even better than the 21/1.4, say at 450g. The more the industry produces 40mm lenses, the more important 28mm becomes - as a gapping issue.
I feel they have the message that the APO-Lanthars are assured of selling in good volume. As a strange development, they act as gateway drugs to the f1.2/f1.4/f1.5 lenses, many got started with the 65/2. The 35/2 APO empty slot will sit there until they do something about it, pent up demand will only increase, moving forward.
28mm is easier to design and to keep light and less expensive (all things being equal), and most traditional 28mm lenses are like this. It was long regarded as the normal focal length for wide angles and tended to be the 'plain jane' of ranges.
There is no reason they cannot do both, using as design inspiration a re-purposing of the two 21s. They have form in making several very different lenses at key focal lengths, once they decide it's important.
Not sure if the 21/1.4 sells well in Japan, too expensive for most users? 28mm would be a great FL to see at f1.4 if it was as good or maybe even better than the 21/1.4, say at 450g. The more the industry produces 40mm lenses, the more important 28mm becomes - as a gapping issue.
I feel they have the message that the APO-Lanthars are assured of selling in good volume. As a strange development, they act as gateway drugs to the f1.2/f1.4/f1.5 lenses, many got started with the 65/2. The 35/2 APO empty slot will sit there until they do something about it, pent up demand will only increase, moving forward.
Jul 16, 2020 at 05:22 PM
p.2 #7Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
From Japanese sales rankings at https://kakaku.com/camera/camera-lens/itemlist.aspx?pdf_ma=365, 21/1.4 for E-mount and VM have not been selling that well in Japan and 21/3.5 for E-mount is usually much higher in the relative sales rankings. I check the rankings periodically and typically 21/1.4 has been the least selling CV E-mount lens (it's also the most expensive). The old CV 21/4 VM has continued selling relatively well all the time as well though it's not good on digital, probably film shooters continue buying it. I suppose the sales rankings are highly related to price and secondarily to size/weight of the lenses and many people might choose to go for the smaller / cheaper / slower options at this FL.
Anyway, having both 28/3.5 and 28/1.4 options for E-mount would seem like a good strategy to have both options available. I recently bought the long discontinued CV 28/3.5 LTM 2nd hand (it's not easy to buy these days, mainly just available in auctions from time to time and going for higher prices than originally) and I'm really enjoying it but it's not very optimized for digital (quite noticeable FC on my Sony A9 though rendering is beatiful), so something with same style of rendering but optimized for Sony would be very welcome in my view
philip_pj wrote:
Looking at the economics of it, the very light (9/8) 21/3.5 is very affordable at $600 at present; and the (13/11) 21/1.4 is $1100 and a little porky at 560g, even on Sony cameras.
28mm is easier to design and to keep light and less expensive (all things being equal), and most traditional 28mm lenses are like this. It was long regarded as the normal focal length for wide angles and tended to be the 'plain jane' of ranges.
There is no reason they cannot do both, using as design inspiration a re-purposing of the two 21s. They have form...Show more →
Anyway, having both 28/3.5 and 28/1.4 options for E-mount would seem like a good strategy to have both options available. I recently bought the long discontinued CV 28/3.5 LTM 2nd hand (it's not easy to buy these days, mainly just available in auctions from time to time and going for higher prices than originally) and I'm really enjoying it but it's not very optimized for digital (quite noticeable FC on my Sony A9 though rendering is beatiful), so something with same style of rendering but optimized for Sony would be very welcome in my view
philip_pj wrote:
Looking at the economics of it, the very light (9/8) 21/3.5 is very affordable at $600 at present; and the (13/11) 21/1.4 is $1100 and a little porky at 560g, even on Sony cameras.
28mm is easier to design and to keep light and less expensive (all things being equal), and most traditional 28mm lenses are like this. It was long regarded as the normal focal length for wide angles and tended to be the 'plain jane' of ranges.
There is no reason they cannot do both, using as design inspiration a re-purposing of the two 21s. They have form...Show more →
Jul 16, 2020 at 08:21 PM
p.2 #8Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
Can we get a rename of the thread to 28 mm APO? Thanks
Fred Miranda wrote:
CV: please release a 28mm, preferably a 28/1.2 (like the 35/40/50 1.2's) or a 28/2 APO.
And thanks and great work on everything else you've put out recently.This too would be my preference.We just got a CV 35mm (f/1.2) for both E and M mounts. It's time for Voigtlander to release a new 28mm lens!
APO? There is no 28mm f/2 APO in the market. Not even Leica produced one.
The only 28mm APO is the huge Otus 28/1.4. Perhaps it's an expensive proposition so just give us a low CA 28mm f/2 with FLE, smooth rendering and high resolution instead.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Steve Spencer wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
We have a glut of 35mm's.CV: please release a 28mm, preferably a 28/1.2 (like the 35/40/50 1.2's) or a 28/2 APO.
And thanks and great work on everything else you've put out recently.
APO? There is no 28mm f/2 APO in the market. Not even Leica produced one.
The only 28mm APO is the huge Otus 28/1.4. Perhaps it's an expensive proposition so just give us a low CA 28mm f/2 with FLE, smooth rendering and high resolution instead.
Jul 16, 2020 at 08:36 PM
p.2 #9Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
The 35mm 1.2 from Voigtlander is not even remotely related to the APO Lanthars. Not even stopped down.
https://sonyalpha.blog/2020/07/16/voigtlander-35mm-f1-2-nokton-se/
https://sonyalpha.blog/2020/07/16/voigtlander-35mm-f1-2-nokton-se/
Jul 17, 2020 at 04:48 AM
p.2 #10Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I can see why 28 is the popular desire. It seems like the forgotten focal length among the participating manufacturers. Personally, I'd rather have a solid 24/2. It doesn't have to be APO, but it would be nice.
Jul 18, 2020 at 02:11 PM
p.2 #11Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
Ok. I’m in pandemic wish mode. I’d like a 28 f2 APO and 90 F2.8 APO at the same time. I’d preorder both.
Jul 18, 2020 at 05:07 PM
p.2 #12Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
obwohl, a fair review with no punches pulled, it's a fine lens nonetheless, he had to work hard for the faults. I struggle to like the Sigma 35/1.2 he includes a couple from. My take is that this is an essentially commercial lens, somewhat showy and obvious. lunar module sums up:
'images that I have seen from the Sigma 1.2 look technically "perfect" to me, but they have a "commercial" feel to them that I find somewhat off putting. Kind of "plasticy", "artificial", "unnatural", "too sharp"...This might be perfect for commercial work or landscapes, but I, personally, don't find it to be a particularly appealing aesthetic.'
Interestingly, almost all images in its dedicated thread are of landscapes or total blur exercises. Marc is probably a pro shooter, and has a different (client-based) aesthetic, very different to the trademark Voigtlander look.
'images that I have seen from the Sigma 1.2 look technically "perfect" to me, but they have a "commercial" feel to them that I find somewhat off putting. Kind of "plasticy", "artificial", "unnatural", "too sharp"...This might be perfect for commercial work or landscapes, but I, personally, don't find it to be a particularly appealing aesthetic.'
Interestingly, almost all images in its dedicated thread are of landscapes or total blur exercises. Marc is probably a pro shooter, and has a different (client-based) aesthetic, very different to the trademark Voigtlander look.
Jul 18, 2020 at 05:58 PM
p.2 #13Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
Philip, that same writer put up this:
https://sonyalpha.blog/2019/11/10/which-lenses-to-maximise-the-potential-of-the-sony-a7riv/
In which the Voigtlander APO's all are top tier lenses for the A7RIV. Not agreeing with the assessment of the 35mm Nokton, just pointing that out. I own the 65mm APO and I love that lens. I've shot with borrowed Sigmas (well, I own the Sigma 70mm macro) and Sony lenses and I agree with the statement you quote. I'm finding it hard to navigate a line finding lenses which resolve the sensor, but still have some je ne sais quoi that I call "life' to their rendering. On the fence concerning the Noktons....
https://sonyalpha.blog/2019/11/10/which-lenses-to-maximise-the-potential-of-the-sony-a7riv/
In which the Voigtlander APO's all are top tier lenses for the A7RIV. Not agreeing with the assessment of the 35mm Nokton, just pointing that out. I own the 65mm APO and I love that lens. I've shot with borrowed Sigmas (well, I own the Sigma 70mm macro) and Sony lenses and I agree with the statement you quote. I'm finding it hard to navigate a line finding lenses which resolve the sensor, but still have some je ne sais quoi that I call "life' to their rendering. On the fence concerning the Noktons....
Jul 18, 2020 at 07:58 PM
p.2 #15Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
Bump indeed:
"It seems that Cosina will announce "APO-LANTHAR 35mm F2 Aspherical (VM / E-mount)" and "ULTRON Vintage Line 35mm F2 Aspherical Type II VM (Black / Silver)" in the near future. #rumor"
Is Nokishita ever wrong?
"It seems that Cosina will announce "APO-LANTHAR 35mm F2 Aspherical (VM / E-mount)" and "ULTRON Vintage Line 35mm F2 Aspherical Type II VM (Black / Silver)" in the near future. #rumor"
Is Nokishita ever wrong?
Feb 10, 2021 at 07:36 AM
p.2 #16Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
obwohl wrote:
I asked Voigtlander about a potential 35mm Apo Lanthar, they said "We are happy to take your suggestion for a 35 mm APO Lanthar, but cannot make any statements about further product developments at this point."
Maybe they can see the great demand here
Hi, Since someone had at least taken your suggestion, would you suggest those about using a different epoxy to cement their elements in their lenses? The ones they use are (AL 50/2) not optically up to scratch. It is a shame given how spectacularly designed that lens is.
I will not be buying the 35/2. If I do buy, it will be only to test.
(PS: it is also a shout out to Fred, Steve Gandy, and others who may have contacts at Cosina )
I asked Voigtlander about a potential 35mm Apo Lanthar, they said "We are happy to take your suggestion for a 35 mm APO Lanthar, but cannot make any statements about further product developments at this point."
Maybe they can see the great demand here
Hi, Since someone had at least taken your suggestion, would you suggest those about using a different epoxy to cement their elements in their lenses? The ones they use are (AL 50/2) not optically up to scratch. It is a shame given how spectacularly designed that lens is.
I will not be buying the 35/2. If I do buy, it will be only to test.
(PS: it is also a shout out to Fred, Steve Gandy, and others who may have contacts at Cosina )
Feb 10, 2021 at 07:41 AM
p.2 #17Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I’m old enough to remember all of us on here crying out for a decent 35mm. How the times have changed.
Feb 10, 2021 at 08:38 AM
p.2 #18Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
TakenWild wrote:
I’m old enough to remember all of us on here crying out for a decent 35mm. How the times have changed.
Hey now, there are only like 19 options right now, how is anybody supposed to survive with that little choice?
(I actually tried to count, and I think 19 is correct with the new CV included).
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I’m old enough to remember all of us on here crying out for a decent 35mm. How the times have changed.
Hey now, there are only like 19 options right now, how is anybody supposed to survive with that little choice?
(I actually tried to count, and I think 19 is correct with the new CV included).
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Feb 10, 2021 at 08:47 AM
p.2 #19Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
TakenWild wrote:
I’m old enough to remember all of us on here crying out for a decent 35mm. How the times have changed.
Don't get the 28mm crowd started.
I’m old enough to remember all of us on here crying out for a decent 35mm. How the times have changed.
Don't get the 28mm crowd started.
Feb 10, 2021 at 08:49 AM
p.2 #20Who wants a 35mm Apo Lanthar?
I'd have preferred 28mm, but yeah, if this is the 50 APO's wider cousin, I'll buy it. I think we've officially reached "peak 35mm", it's all downhill from here.
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