p.6 #3 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
Scott Stoness wrote:
I had not considered panasonic.
But a quick look:
Adapters plus
1020 grams S1R (no AA) vs 750 grams R5 (AA) vs 650 grams A7RIV (No AA)
5dsr is better than that for me at 51mpx and no adapter
A7RIV is better than both but sony/adapter/poor weather performance... for 10% resolution gain -- on the fence
So for me its either wait for R5SR, buy A7RIV, or get the R5 and R5SR later.
Mark's comments about the gear in this post might be of interest to you:
p.6 #4 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
Jeff wrote:
I am curious whether the R5 has taken any steps forward in the software department, i.e. built-in intervalometer features, more-useful bulb timer, integrated focus-stacking, etc. Nikon seems to have an edge including useful UI features on their higher-end cameras, and I wish Canon would implement some of these things, especially considering it's not so hard to do. Video matters not to me, except maybe (hopefully?) the increasing furor over the R5's overheating issue in 8k mode will make them more available to purchase.
Looking forward to seeing actual files and tests from the R5 to answer some of the questions Scott brings up here. ...Show more → Pixel Perfect wrote:
From what I understand the R5 has an intervalometer and focus stacking which they call focus bracketing. Not sure about any bulb improvements however.
Any idea about time-lapse functions? Would be cool to have decent control over 8k timelapses in-camera!
p.6 #5 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
I came off the fence. I put in my order for R5 with deposit. And instantly I am thinking about $500 for adapter and ND, and one without and L plate and cfexpress, cfexpress reader, 100-500, 800/f11....
The supplier indicated that if I have CPS i might get it earlier. I guess another $150 - I can't stop now.
I hope it takes pictures in addition to making me look good.
p.6 #7 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
I am telling you now ... GAS is worse than Covid-19!
Scott Stoness wrote:
I came off the fence. I put in my order for R5 with deposit. And instantly I am thinking about $500 for adapter and ND, and one without and L plate and cfexpress, cfexpress reader, 100-500, 800/f11....
The supplier indicated that if I have CPS i might get it earlier. I guess another $150 - I can't stop now.
I hope it takes pictures in addition to making me look good.
p.6 #8 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
rscheffler wrote:
Which CPS Canada level is $150? You made me check the website and I noticed the Platinum level is now $250 instead of $300. Gold remains at $100
I was guessing - I had gold and let it lapse. I presume the cheap one puts us higher on the list. You just saved me $50 on my $150 notionally.
p.6 #9 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
One thing to also remember here is the superior RF glass. The RF 70-200 is incredible, and I can't throw that on my 5DSr. On the EOS R, the RF 70-200 resolved incredibly well. I think in combo with epic RF glass, the EOS R5 will actually out-resolve the 5DSr.
p.6 #10 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
Scott Stoness wrote:
I came off the fence. I put in my order for R5 with deposit. And instantly I am thinking about $500 for adapter and ND, and one without and L plate and cfexpress, cfexpress reader, 100-500, 800/f11....
The supplier indicated that if I have CPS i might get it earlier. I guess another $150 - I can't stop now.
I hope it takes pictures in addition to making me look good.
Who is the supplier? I have a platinum membership, and I haven’t heard anything about this!
p.6 #11 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
Scott Stoness wrote:
I had not considered panasonic.
But a quick look:
Adapters plus
1020 grams S1R (no AA) vs 750 grams R5 (AA) vs 650 grams A7RIV (No AA)
5dsr is better than that for me at 51mpx and no adapter
A7RIV is better than both but sony/adapter/poor weather performance... for 10% resolution gain -- on the fence
So for me its either wait for R5SR, buy A7RIV, or get the R5 and R5SR later.
I’m with you on the cold weather performance of DSLR’s. I’ve been out shooting a sunrise when the guy next to me with the Sony was having issues because of the cold. Any idea if cold weather shooting has been an issue with the R or RP?
I’m debating if and when (Q4 2020, Q1 2021?) to switch. I had been waiting for the 60-80MP R camera since they released their first camera. From past experience I want to have a camera for a few months before doing a big trip.
Also not sure how to do the switch (go all in on RF lenses - love the 85 1.2bthatbactualybhas usable AF and while 10 years ago I would have jumped at the 28-70, as impressed as I am, I probably will resist the urge). I love my 11-24L and it would be appealing to use the ND filter in the adapter if it’s as good as the Lee big and little stoppers. Not sure how many stops the canon with the adapter ring is, but it would be much easier to use that than slide in the huge filters in the Lee holder. I still use Graduated grads, so will still have to use them, but would make life easier to compose without having to take the huge ND filter out to recompose. Also not sure how the 11-24 compares to the RF 15-35.
I would like to get the RF 24-70, but would probably stick with my existing 70-200 and tilt shifts.
Also not sure if have to swap out my flashes. Lots to think about....
I’m haven’t done hardly any shooting since CoVID, since I’m in the high risk group if I do get it, so I can wait - but I have been waiting for canon to do something for 3 years now and it looks like they are pretty close to what I hoped for, so still have a bit of GAS telling me to buy despite not actually shooting now and the economic uncertainty that exists.
p.6 #12 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
rscheffler wrote:
Which CPS Canada level is $150? You made me check the website and I noticed the Platinum level is now $250 instead of $300. Gold remains at $100
I won’t be renewing since there is no more CPC pricing on gear
p.6 #13 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
Chimping wrote:
Who is the supplier? I have a platinum membership, and I haven’t heard anything about this!
I was also told today by my contact at CameraCanada that CPS members were getting priority and that supply seemed to be pretty tight. Thankfully I don't need an R5 till mid-Sept at the earliest...
But I also wouldn't bother with CPS anymore now that the pricing is gone. Maybe if I went full on back to Canon with a number of big lenses and bodies I'd get it again just for faster service. Otherwise the only good thing about CPS is you can get demos of gear you may want to test out. But I think you need Platinum to make that worthwhile with free shipping both ways.
p.6 #14 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
arbitrage wrote:
I was also told today by my contact at CameraCanada that CPS members were getting priority and that supply seemed to be pretty tight. Thankfully I don't need an R5 till mid-Sept at the earliest...
But I also wouldn't bother with CPS anymore now that the pricing is gone. Maybe if I went full on back to Canon with a number of big lenses and bodies I'd get it again just for faster service. Otherwise the only good thing about CPS is you can get demos of gear you may want to test out. But I think you need Platinum to make that worthwhile with free shipping both ways....Show more →
Interesting. I haven’t anything like that from The Camera Store. I’m wondering if I should give them a call. I’ve preorder and I put a $800 deposit down ($500 + a $300 in-store credit).
p.6 #15 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
Chimping wrote:
Interesting. I haven’t anything like that from The Camera Store. I’m wondering if I should give them a call. I’ve preorder and I put a $800 deposit down ($500 + a $300 in-store credit).
I guess it is always worth a call but if you put a deposit down you should be prioritized anyways. Also Cliff (molson) who is friends with the owner of TCS said that they have enough to meet their pre-orders. I guess depending if Canon ships what they are expecting. Or maybe Canon has already shipped and they know exact numbers.
p.6 #16 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
arbitrage wrote:
I guess it is always worth a call but if you put a deposit down you should be prioritized anyways. Also Cliff (molson) who is friends with the owner of TCS said that they have enough to meet their pre-orders. I guess depending if Canon ships what they are expecting. Or maybe Canon has already shipped and they know exact numbers.
Also interesting. Well, I’ll just take the gamble and see. I put my name down in January, knowing a new mirror less camera was coming out, and then I also was one of the first to put money down too.
I might be a bit delayed getting the battery grip, though. I just preordered that today.
p.6 #17 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
I also have the 5DsR and was also concerned about the R5 having the filter since I am considering the purchase. That was the reason I bought the 5DsR over the 5Ds in the first place. I want to see photos taken by both cameras with similar settings on a tripod if necessary to get a real look at image sharpness when zoomed in on the computer. Hopefully the local shop will let me do this before making a purchase.... If the sharpness is not up to the 5DsR standard then there is a good chance I won't go ahead with the R5. Also the video heating issue is in my mind as well. In my mind the 8k video is one of the reasons the camera is priced where it is and if that is only partly useable then maybe it is over priced.... I take a variety of pictures .... weddings, motorcycles, nature, landscapes etc.... Love the big sensor as it allows images to be cropped without destroying the file.
p.6 #18 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
dpr review samples show better visually on R5 vs 5DSR !!! - don't know how they did it. But impressive with an AA. Continuing to look. Noting that different lens were used in each RF 50 1.2 and EF 85 1.8 [not familiar with this lens but it looks pretty good in photozone.de] Could be that as Canon says the RF system outresolves the EF [because of IBIS, less vibration, better lens, closer to sensor....]
Also shows considerable more detail in dark at iso 12,800 than 5dsr
Its reassuring that R5 does not appear to have degradation vs 5DSR on this simple test.
p.6 #19 · R5 vs 5DSR Landscape and the AA filter - DPR has comparisons
I posted this in other post and am adding it here. Sill waiting for good still comparisons
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I have considered this issue - my focus is 2/3 landscape and 1/3 largely still animals and I have 5dsr and 7dii. My 7dii is mostly a door stop because the 5dsr out resolves it cropped and I don't do very much 10fps.
I decided to buy the R5 because/in spite of:
- 5DSR has more resolution. Theoretically it has more than >>10% ability to print bigger between 5% on mpx and >5% on AA. Although its early, and everyones focus has been animal tracking and heating, the samples I have seen suggest significantly more than R5. Canon claims include ibis and better lens - which is not relevant to landscape. So I still think more than 10%. But the gain in resolution will be tempered significantly by the fact that there are no uwa lens (none) that can out resolve the sensor thus the real gain is <10%. And the >10% resolution increase is only achieved perfect to perfect on a tripod. 5DSR only achieves perfection if on live view with perfect technique and avoiding 1/160 to 1/250 worst zone. I suspect that the shutter of R5 has a lighter touch (vibration) and the IBIS is better. And my examination of the zoomed in suggest that the purple noise stuff at the pixel level arising from the lack of aa reduces the usefulness of the extra resolution. [The above is just based on my best available information - I still don't have it in my hands and have not seen any good still reviews - so if you can wait but you can't I would wait]
- 5DSR is a very likely to better winter camera. It has more mass and no flippy screen. Theorectically this will cause it to be better at holding heat. My experience with Sony (with floppy screen and similar mass as R5) is that it sucks (bricks after 30 minutes) bases on these 2 features. However, the overheating on video of R5 suggest it will be way better than Sony.
- R5 has 2 stops more dynamic range than 5DSR. This is really valuable to me for my 1/3 wildlife but only slightly useful for landscape because 99% of my landscape usage is on the tripod with AEB. And that will continue. I have the a7rii for backpacking and its dynamic range is not enough to abandon AEB/blending.
- 5DSR is less expensive and available. Even though I only churned on this issue for a couple of days, I am deep on the list of next deliveries and unlikely to get one to Sep. Adding several $250 CFexpress and L plate and $500 adapter and $100 adapter and it is at least $3000 less expensive.
- The eye tracking, burst depth, fps, dynamic range are way better on R5 making it a slam dunk on still animals. Then the histogram on the 5DSR - its awful on burst - you have to wait to check your exposure that on many occasions caused blown out fur when backlit. I would wait on R5SR but the 45mpx/AA is great for wildlife and there will always be a better one coming.
- R5 with flip in ND, has the prospect of throwing away avoiding lots and lots of frustrating filters. My go to lens are TS17 and TS24. They take different filters and is a pain. The TS17 requires very big and very expensive filters
- The R5 is 300-400 grams lighter. And I can get really light lens to go with them for hiking. And save on filter weight. And lets me take a really light tripod. The camera you can take counts and I expect the combination weight will cause me to get rid of the lighter Sony system. My 5dsr and TS17 are too heavy for my light tripod. I have purchased a 24-85 (350grams) legacy EF. That plus TS17 and a 3lb tripod and I can get down to 10lbs vs 20lbs. I might have to take my laowa 15 shift if TS17 is still too heavy.
- The battery life of 5DSR is way better than R5 - I expect that this will be significant in weight (backpacking) and winter performance.
- R5 sets you up for RF lens that are better than EF ... but at loss of flip in ND and newer WA having significant corner vignette correction. So its kind of a trade off.
- R5 does not require macro focus adjustment. I took my doorstop 7dii out on a grizzly boat tour and almost all the shots were oof because I forgot to check it. Fortunately all my 5dsr ones were bang on.
In summary because of my 1/3 big animal appeal, less wieight, and plan to keep 5DSR for winter aurora, [and my GAS] I am willing to accept the lower resolution.[I had ignored the 30mpx 5DIV because 50 vs 30 and AA would be a really big hit on printing resolution - 45/AA vs 50 is closer and I am keeping my 5dsr.]
However, if I was 99% landscape, as you indicate, I might have concluded 5DSR is better [except for backpacking. which would have pushed me to R5 as well]. And the way cheaper and you can buy it - really suggest 5DSR.
Personally I would stick with the 5DSR vs 5DS - why accept a >>10% reduction in resolution for no gain (landscape is not overly prone to morire)
Adopts a newly developed effective pixel number up to about 45 million pixels 35 mm full size CMOS sensor.
In combination with high-performance image engine DIGIC X and RF lens,
image quality improvement is pursued from resolution, noise, optical characteristics, all elements. Achieved the highest EOS resolution performance *1 *2 .
*1 For Canon-made interchangeable lens digital cameras released as of July 8, 2020 . Canon research.
*2 Confirmed with the CIPA resolution chart conforming to ISO12233.
Scott Stoness wrote:
Thanks Greg - you have better Japanese than me - that suggests that the image improvement is related to IS, RF lens iq gains. Which suggests more resolution for off tripod.
Any time they mention the CPU it also suggests jpegs.
