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Archive 2020Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
p.4 #1Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
chez wrote:
). I also hope this will be the last lens to complete my lineup 
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I read on another site it is supposed to be "C" indeed...The 100-400GM is a pretty high bar to compare against. The saving grace of the 100-400GM is that it's already incredibly sharp right from wide open (except maybe @300mm@@ where it takes a drop), so shooting at f/5.6 @ 400mm is not an issue AND it has one of the best OIS/IBIS combinations I've experienced which further makes up for the f/5.6 aperture on the long end.
I keep seeing people say it's OK for a lens to need to be stopped down to f/8 or f/11 to get sharpness for landscapes shots and I say not really. If you are using a 400mm lens for landscapes DOF is not an issue and usually it's all about light - getting enough of it because most of the time there is not enough to keep the shutter speed up (even on a tripod) and the ISO down.
This new lens needs to be incredibly sharp right from wide open as the f/6.3 on the long end is going to make it even tougher to use in many landscape type situations. Also it needs to work really well with IBIS of the Sony cameras and have great OIS too for any hand-held shots.
We'll see soon enough if they have a winner or it's just OK.If it comes close to the Sony 100-400 then it is a winner given the Sony is 2.5x the price of the Sigma.
I think that depends on your planned use for the lens. The MFD, which is already longer than Canon and Sony's at the wide end, grows significantly at the long end. If SAR's right about Sigma only producing the tele-extenders for L mount, then that's another ding against it. Even if the Sony 1.4x fits, it's unlikely it will allow the Sigma to interoperate fully. You'll likely have to tape over the contacts, so you'll lose AF and the ability to change the aperture.
From a landscaper perspective, you may be right. This may be a well-spec'd lens at a good price, but if you want landscape capabilities plus more flexibility, I think adapting the Canon (which can be a real cash saver, since you can pick up a used 100-400L II and the 1.4x III for about the same price as a used GM alone), or emptying your wallet for the GM makes more sense.
jhinkey wrote
j4nu wrote
I hope it will be considerably cheaper than 100-400GM and not that far off optically (and closer to 1kg would be a plus as well ). I also hope this will be the last lens to complete my lineup .I read on another site it is supposed to be "C" indeed...
I keep seeing people say it's OK for a lens to need to be stopped down to f/8 or f/11 to get sharpness for landscapes shots and I say not really. If you are using a 400mm lens for landscapes DOF is not an issue and usually it's all about light - getting enough of it because most of the time there is not enough to keep the shutter speed up (even on a tripod) and the ISO down.
This new lens needs to be incredibly sharp right from wide open as the f/6.3 on the long end is going to make it even tougher to use in many landscape type situations. Also it needs to work really well with IBIS of the Sony cameras and have great OIS too for any hand-held shots.
We'll see soon enough if they have a winner or it's just OK.
I think that depends on your planned use for the lens. The MFD, which is already longer than Canon and Sony's at the wide end, grows significantly at the long end. If SAR's right about Sigma only producing the tele-extenders for L mount, then that's another ding against it. Even if the Sony 1.4x fits, it's unlikely it will allow the Sigma to interoperate fully. You'll likely have to tape over the contacts, so you'll lose AF and the ability to change the aperture.
From a landscaper perspective, you may be right. This may be a well-spec'd lens at a good price, but if you want landscape capabilities plus more flexibility, I think adapting the Canon (which can be a real cash saver, since you can pick up a used 100-400L II and the 1.4x III for about the same price as a used GM alone), or emptying your wallet for the GM makes more sense.
Jun 13, 2020 at 05:04 PM
p.4 #2Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
Use with FE TCs will be important to me. If it is then I'd consider selling my Sony 1-4 and picking this up just to save some $$. All I use my Sony 1-4 for is semi-macro (bees, butterflies, frogs etc) so I don't need to be holding on to such an expensive Sony lens for my limited use case.
Jun 13, 2020 at 05:16 PM
p.4 #3Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
A Sigma being smaller and lighter is a bit of an enigma. I thought bigger and heavy was their brand promise
Jun 13, 2020 at 05:59 PM
p.4 #4Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
I wonder if the two new teleconverters will work on the Tamron 2,8/70-180mm
Jun 13, 2020 at 06:12 PM
p.4 #5Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
freaklikeme wrote:
). I also hope this will be the last lens to complete my lineup .
I read on another site it is supposed to be "C" indeed...The 100-400GM is a pretty high bar to compare against. The saving grace of the 100-400GM is that it's already incredibly sharp right from wide open (except maybe @300mm@@@ where it takes a drop), so shooting at f/5.6 @ 400mm is not an issue AND it has one of the best OIS/IBIS combinations I've experienced which further makes up for the f/5.6 aperture on the long end.
I keep seeing people say it's OK for a lens to need to be stopped down to f/8 or f/11 to get sharpness for landscapes shots and I say not really. If you are using a 400mm lens for landscapes DOF is not an issue and usually it's all about light - getting enough of it because most of the time there is not enough to keep the shutter speed up (even on a tripod) and the ISO down.
This new lens needs to be incredibly sharp right from wide open as the f/6.3 on the long end is going to make it even tougher to use in many landscape type situations. Also it needs to work really well with IBIS of the Sony cameras and have great OIS too for any hand-held shots.
We'll see soon enough if they have a winner or it's just OK.If it comes close to the Sony 100-400 then it is a winner given the Sony is 2.5x the price of the Sigma.I think that depends on your planned use for the lens. The MFD, which is already longer than Canon and Sony's at the wide end, grows significantly at the long end. If SAR's right about Sigma only producing the tele-extenders for L mount, then that's another ding against it. Even if the Sony 1.4x fits, it's unlikely it will allow the Sigma to interoperate fully. You'll likely have to tape over the contacts, so you'll lose AF and the ability to change the aperture.
From a landscaper perspective, you may be right. This may be a well-spec'd lens at a good...Show more →
Remember that the lens will be focus by wire, so it needs power to focus, i.e. no taping of the electrical contacts.
If there are no TCs for E mount right now, there could be a development announcement of that instead.
chez wrote
jhinkey wrote
j4nu wrote
I hope it will be considerably cheaper than 100-400GM and not that far off optically (and closer to 1kg would be a plus as well ). I also hope this will be the last lens to complete my lineup .I read on another site it is supposed to be "C" indeed...
I keep seeing people say it's OK for a lens to need to be stopped down to f/8 or f/11 to get sharpness for landscapes shots and I say not really. If you are using a 400mm lens for landscapes DOF is not an issue and usually it's all about light - getting enough of it because most of the time there is not enough to keep the shutter speed up (even on a tripod) and the ISO down.
This new lens needs to be incredibly sharp right from wide open as the f/6.3 on the long end is going to make it even tougher to use in many landscape type situations. Also it needs to work really well with IBIS of the Sony cameras and have great OIS too for any hand-held shots.
We'll see soon enough if they have a winner or it's just OK.
From a landscaper perspective, you may be right. This may be a well-spec'd lens at a good...Show more →
Remember that the lens will be focus by wire, so it needs power to focus, i.e. no taping of the electrical contacts.
If there are no TCs for E mount right now, there could be a development announcement of that instead.
Jun 13, 2020 at 06:28 PM
p.4 #6Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
billsnature wrote:
A Sigma being smaller and lighter is a bit of an enigma. I thought bigger and heavy was their brand promise
This will not be an Art series lens, thus lower weight and smaller size.
The leaked images says Contemporary, a C on a silver dot.
A Sigma being smaller and lighter is a bit of an enigma. I thought bigger and heavy was their brand promise
This will not be an Art series lens, thus lower weight and smaller size.
The leaked images says Contemporary, a C on a silver dot.
Jun 13, 2020 at 06:29 PM
p.4 #7Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
bjornthun wrote:
). I also hope this will be the last lens to complete my lineup .
I read on another site it is supposed to be "C" indeed...The 100-400GM is a pretty high bar to compare against. The saving grace of the 100-400GM is that it's already incredibly sharp right from wide open (except maybe @300mm@@@@ where it takes a drop), so shooting at f/5.6 @ 400mm is not an issue AND it has one of the best OIS/IBIS combinations I've experienced which further makes up for the f/5.6 aperture on the long end.
I keep seeing people say it's OK for a lens to need to be stopped down to f/8 or f/11 to get sharpness for landscapes shots and I say not really. If you are using a 400mm lens for landscapes DOF is not an issue and usually it's all about light - getting enough of it because most of the time there is not enough to keep the shutter speed up (even on a tripod) and the ISO down.
This new lens needs to be incredibly sharp right from wide open as the f/6.3 on the long end is going to make it even tougher to use in many landscape type situations. Also it needs to work really well with IBIS of the Sony cameras and have great OIS too for any hand-held shots.
We'll see soon enough if they have a winner or it's just OK.If it comes close to the Sony 100-400 then it is a winner given the Sony is 2.5x the price of the Sigma.I think that depends on your planned use for the lens. The MFD, which is already longer than Canon and Sony's at the wide end, grows significantly at the long end. If SAR's right about Sigma only producing the tele-extenders for L mount, then that's another ding against it. Even if the Sony 1.4x fits, it's unlikely it will allow the Sigma to interoperate fully. You'll likely have to tape over the contacts, so you'll lose AF and the ability to change the aperture.
From a landscaper perspective, you may be right. This may be a well-spec'd lens at a good price, but if you want landscape capabilities plus more flexibility, I think adapting the Canon (which can be a real cash saver, since you can pick up a used 100-400L II and the 1.4x III for about the same price as a used GM alone), or emptying your wallet for the GM makes more sense.Remember that the lens will be focus by wire, so it needs power to focus, i.e. no taping of the electrical contacts.
If there are no TCs for E mount right now, there could be a development announcement of that instead.
Good point. I forgot all about the FBW.
Yeah, the TC issue may work itself out, or it may just be temporary, state of the market thinking on Sigma's part. For me, the MFD is the bigger bummer.
freaklikeme wrote
chez wrote
jhinkey wrote
j4nu wrote
I hope it will be considerably cheaper than 100-400GM and not that far off optically (and closer to 1kg would be a plus as well ). I also hope this will be the last lens to complete my lineup .I read on another site it is supposed to be "C" indeed...
I keep seeing people say it's OK for a lens to need to be stopped down to f/8 or f/11 to get sharpness for landscapes shots and I say not really. If you are using a 400mm lens for landscapes DOF is not an issue and usually it's all about light - getting enough of it because most of the time there is not enough to keep the shutter speed up (even on a tripod) and the ISO down.
This new lens needs to be incredibly sharp right from wide open as the f/6.3 on the long end is going to make it even tougher to use in many landscape type situations. Also it needs to work really well with IBIS of the Sony cameras and have great OIS too for any hand-held shots.
We'll see soon enough if they have a winner or it's just OK.
From a landscaper perspective, you may be right. This may be a well-spec'd lens at a good price, but if you want landscape capabilities plus more flexibility, I think adapting the Canon (which can be a real cash saver, since you can pick up a used 100-400L II and the 1.4x III for about the same price as a used GM alone), or emptying your wallet for the GM makes more sense.
If there are no TCs for E mount right now, there could be a development announcement of that instead.
Good point. I forgot all about the FBW.
Yeah, the TC issue may work itself out, or it may just be temporary, state of the market thinking on Sigma's part. For me, the MFD is the bigger bummer.
Jun 13, 2020 at 09:17 PM
p.4 #8Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
Comparing Sigma to Sony is unfair as I don't see anybody cross shopping a $1k lens vs a $2500 lens. The price alone makes Sigma a winner in my book. I have used the Canon version of Sigma and was pleased with the results. So I have high hopes for native version.
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Jun 14, 2020 at 12:51 PM
p.4 #9Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
I have not been following this one. Is the new Sigma FE the same design as their SLR version?
Jun 14, 2020 at 01:07 PM
p.4 #10Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
Fred Miranda wrote:
I have not been following this one. Is the new Sigma FE the same design as their SLR version?
No, new design including one more lens element and now an FLD element and a linear motor.
I have not been following this one. Is the new Sigma FE the same design as their SLR version?
No, new design including one more lens element and now an FLD element and a linear motor.
Jun 14, 2020 at 01:16 PM
p.4 #11Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
ajamils wrote:
Comparing Sigma to Sony is unfair as I don't see anybody cross shopping a $1k lens vs a $2500 lens. The price alone makes Sigma a winner in my book. I have used the Canon version of Sigma with and was pleased with the results. So I have high hopes for native version.
The Canon version looks very close to the Sony 100-400mm based on the the-digital-picture comparisons: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx - the corners are somewhat weaker.
If the new version has native AF performance and some improvements on corner sharpness from the FLD element added, will be a strong offering for the price. Excited to see what the reviews say.
Comparing Sigma to Sony is unfair as I don't see anybody cross shopping a $1k lens vs a $2500 lens. The price alone makes Sigma a winner in my book. I have used the Canon version of Sigma with and was pleased with the results. So I have high hopes for native version.
The Canon version looks very close to the Sony 100-400mm based on the the-digital-picture comparisons: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx - the corners are somewhat weaker.
If the new version has native AF performance and some improvements on corner sharpness from the FLD element added, will be a strong offering for the price. Excited to see what the reviews say.
Jun 14, 2020 at 01:27 PM
p.4 #12Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
ajamils wrote:
Comparing Sigma to Sony is unfair as I don't see anybody cross shopping a $1k lens vs a $2500 lens. The price alone makes Sigma a winner in my book. I have used the Canon version of Sigma and was pleased with the results. So I have high hopes for native version.
Nothing unfair about comparing one 100-400mm zoom against another. It's only unfair if you expect the $1K lens to be as good or better optically, build, AF speed, size/weight as the $2.5K lens. It's also unfair if you expect the $2.5K lens that's faster, native, likely better optically, etc. to be $1K
Comparing Sigma to Sony is unfair as I don't see anybody cross shopping a $1k lens vs a $2500 lens. The price alone makes Sigma a winner in my book. I have used the Canon version of Sigma and was pleased with the results. So I have high hopes for native version.
Nothing unfair about comparing one 100-400mm zoom against another. It's only unfair if you expect the $1K lens to be as good or better optically, build, AF speed, size/weight as the $2.5K lens. It's also unfair if you expect the $2.5K lens that's faster, native, likely better optically, etc. to be $1K
Jun 14, 2020 at 02:03 PM
p.4 #13Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
I mainly use the 100-400 GM for landscapes but at 1395g (without caps and tripod mount), it's a bit on the heavy side for this application.
According to the rumored specs, the Sigma will be at 1,135g so a 260g savings...
The weight savings is noticeable but pricing aside, the crucial question to me will be how close they perform in terms of IQ across the field. The GM rivals my best primes at 110mm, 135mm all the way to 400mm.
According to the rumored specs, the Sigma will be at 1,135g so a 260g savings...
The weight savings is noticeable but pricing aside, the crucial question to me will be how close they perform in terms of IQ across the field. The GM rivals my best primes at 110mm, 135mm all the way to 400mm.
Jun 14, 2020 at 02:19 PM
p.4 #14Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
Fred Miranda wrote:
I have not been following this one. Is the new Sigma FE the same design as their SLR version?
No; it’s designed for mirrorless with a linear voice coil type motor, and one of Sigmas glass that behaves like fluorite elements, as well the LD elements. The design has one more element.
It’s not impossible that it’ll perform close to the GM for masses less money and less weight in exchange for a half stop less speed. Or not. But even if it’s not as good, I’m tempted as a relatively painless way to see if I enjoy stalking the birds in my garden and the Roos in the national Park. I wouldn’t want to drop real money on birding gear until I was sure I had the patience....
I have not been following this one. Is the new Sigma FE the same design as their SLR version?
No; it’s designed for mirrorless with a linear voice coil type motor, and one of Sigmas glass that behaves like fluorite elements, as well the LD elements. The design has one more element.
It’s not impossible that it’ll perform close to the GM for masses less money and less weight in exchange for a half stop less speed. Or not. But even if it’s not as good, I’m tempted as a relatively painless way to see if I enjoy stalking the birds in my garden and the Roos in the national Park. I wouldn’t want to drop real money on birding gear until I was sure I had the patience....
Jun 14, 2020 at 05:19 PM
p.4 #15Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
DavidBM wrote:
No; it’s designed for mirrorless with a linear voice coil type motor, and one of Sigmas glass that behaves like fluorite elements, as well the LD elements. The design has one more element.
It’s not impossible that it’ll perform close to the GM for masses less money and less weight in exchange for a half stop less speed. Or not. But even if it’s not as good, I’m tempted as a relatively painless way to see if I enjoy stalking the birds in my garden and the Roos in the national Park. I wouldn’t want to drop real money on birding...Show more →
Definitely wins on price and knowing Sigma's latest offerings, it could be a stunner.
Fred Miranda wrote
I have not been following this one. Is the new Sigma FE the same design as their SLR version?It’s not impossible that it’ll perform close to the GM for masses less money and less weight in exchange for a half stop less speed. Or not. But even if it’s not as good, I’m tempted as a relatively painless way to see if I enjoy stalking the birds in my garden and the Roos in the national Park. I wouldn’t want to drop real money on birding...Show more →
Definitely wins on price and knowing Sigma's latest offerings, it could be a stunner.
Jun 14, 2020 at 06:47 PM
p.4 #16Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
arbitrage wrote:
Use with FE TCs will be important to me. If it is then I'd consider selling my Sony 1-4 and picking this up just to save some $$. All I use my Sony 1-4 for is semi-macro (bees, butterflies, frogs etc) so I don't need to be holding on to such an expensive Sony lens for my limited use case.
The Sony 1.4x teleconverter is weird. It seems Sony added some code where it only recognizes the supported lenses. We will know more when the Sigma is available.
Use with FE TCs will be important to me. If it is then I'd consider selling my Sony 1-4 and picking this up just to save some $$. All I use my Sony 1-4 for is semi-macro (bees, butterflies, frogs etc) so I don't need to be holding on to such an expensive Sony lens for my limited use case.
The Sony 1.4x teleconverter is weird. It seems Sony added some code where it only recognizes the supported lenses. We will know more when the Sigma is available.
Jun 14, 2020 at 11:13 PM
p.4 #17Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
Some press release photos leaked early https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12R0SD6sngwVRJpdPWs34ivYsBKE6jjx4
It seems more like a Sigma FP design that goes with that design language?
Interesting take aways were that the converter is definitely only L mount. The tripod collar might also be an accessory instead of a standard feature? All speculation of course but it would go with Sigma's vision of modular design for the FP.
It seems more like a Sigma FP design that goes with that design language?
Interesting take aways were that the converter is definitely only L mount. The tripod collar might also be an accessory instead of a standard feature? All speculation of course but it would go with Sigma's vision of modular design for the FP.
Jun 18, 2020 at 03:10 AM
p.4 #18Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
Nice that the tripod collar already has an A/S dovetail.
Jun 18, 2020 at 04:27 AM
p.4 #19Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
The tripod collar is an add on accessory. Not included with the lens.
Foot is way too short to be of any use for me using it as a carry handle and to rest on my palm as I handhold. My Sony 100-400RRS foot is twice that length and perfect.
Foot is way too short to be of any use for me using it as a carry handle and to rest on my palm as I handhold. My Sony 100-400RRS foot is twice that length and perfect.
Jun 18, 2020 at 06:10 AM
p.4 #20Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)
the announcement is live right now.
Jun 18, 2020 at 07:19 AM