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Archive 2020 · Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)

  
 
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I’m certainly not disputing your experience, but I’ve found the Sigma 100-400 to be a very good landscape lens. I had the 70-200 G and sold it after getting the Sigma, because of its greater reach. As noted the Sigma is heavier but for my needs paired better with the Sony 24-105. I compared the Sigma at 100mm and the 24-105 and found them to be very close with tSigma as good or slightly better than the 24-105 which for me is high praise.

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Well, I picked one of these up last week as I thought I might like the extra reach and that it might outperform my 70-200G, but alas, I think not. I don't do much birds or wildlife, so what I really needed was good sharpness to the edge of the frame and while it's a good match for the Sony at 135mm and actually bests it at 200mm where my Sony is the weakest, it's pretty weak at 100mm (which makes sense, the lens is likely more used at the long end) and I've never shot such a long lens
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Nov 22, 2020 at 06:17 AM
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pjmsj21 wrote:
I’m certainly not disputing your experience, but I’ve found the Sigma 100-400 to be a very good landscape lens. I had the 70-200 G and sold it after getting the Sigma, because of its greater reach. As noted the Sigma is heavier but for my needs paired better with the Sony 24-105. I compared the Sigma at 100mm and the 24-105 and found them to be very close with tSigma as good or slightly better than the 24-105 which for me is high praise.



Indeed, there are multiple reputed reviewers that have shown that it's very close (as far as image quality is concerned) to the Sony 100-400 GM. I've shot short distance scenes and it was very close to the CV 110. When I shot at infinity, I haven't seen any quality issue so maybe your sample was a "lemon"...



Nov 22, 2020 at 07:00 AM
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p.17 #3 · Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)


Copy variation is always a factor, but I didn't find any evidence of decentering or tilt, all of the corners were kinda mushy at f8 at 100mm, but who knows.


Nov 22, 2020 at 11:23 AM
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p.17 #4 · Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)


A couple from my backyard.












Nov 22, 2020 at 02:03 PM
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p.17 #5 · Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)


A few shots from my first couple of weeks with the lens:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50655547403_4cecbfdb41_h.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50655547513_f819e1ba56_h.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50655547598_ca286a33cb_h.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50655547808_bf118778e6_h.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50645171793_ccbdd909b6_h.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50656375207_c78b474b69_h.jpg



Nov 28, 2020 at 07:01 AM
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p.17 #6 · Pre-order: Sigma 100-400/5-6.3 DG DN OS FE ($949!)


Stripe Throated Bulbul Kaeng Krachan 2a by Brian Laguardia, on Flickr

Nesting Owl in Kaeng Krachan 11a by Brian Laguardia, on Flickr

Kaeng Krachan Owl Crop 3c by Brian Laguardia, on Flickr

Dragonfly Kaeng Krachan Crop 2B by Brian Laguardia, on Flickr



Dec 16, 2020 at 06:47 PM
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How is this lens for landscapes F8? Any infinity tests? How are the corners at F8/F11?


Dec 21, 2020 at 09:11 AM
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Hi, did you try? @fred miranda ?

Fred Miranda wrote:
Beautiful image Lora. Thanks for your feedback. I may try one.




Dec 21, 2020 at 09:15 AM
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Here is my Sigma 100-400 Album:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPVUpb4

There are some landscape shots in there (well, cityscape, but focused at or close to infinity). Here is one:

The Window Cleaner 1a by Brian Laguardia, on Flickr

In other news:

Monkey Kaeng Krachan 3a by Brian Laguardia, on Flickr



Dec 21, 2020 at 04:18 PM
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Here are two recent shots that I haven't really processed yet. On the A7RIV.

Haze is always a huge problem in the Bay Area so please keep that in mind, but the Sigma is nice and sharp, even on the A7RIV. I'd call it sharp edge-to-edge with good contrast. I haven't shot it much at 400mm at infinity due to smoke winter haze around here.

I have not owned the 100-400 GM, but judging from other's images online it's not far off if I had to say. I did however own both the Sigma 100-400 and 150-600 in Canon EF mount and it's a good bit better than either. The lens is good enough that I barely feel the need to stop down, even for landscapes, it's more a habit because I always used to.

First shot was on a tripod (but without collar, just L-Bracket :/ ), Golden Gate Bridge, 135mm, f/7.1, 1/125s.

The second set of pictures is a quick comparison shot of the Sigma 100-400 to the Tamron 28-200 while hiking up the hill. The Tamron looked decent actually - until I saw the Sigma 100-400 in comparison on a computer, huge difference. San Francisco, 200mm, f/6.3, 1/200s, handheld.

EDIT: Recently switched back to LR and it doesn't hide side-car JPEGs any more, so I accidentally posted a jpeg crop for the 100-400 vs completely unprocessed raw for Tamron, both jpeg crops now. Sigma is still much better but contrast and colors match a tad better.





Golden Gate Bridge sunrise - 135mm, f/7.1







Crop Left Edge - Golden Gate Bridge sunrise







San Francisco from Marin Headlands - 200mm, f/6.3







Crop Left Edge - Sigma 100-400 - San Francisco from Marin Headlands







Crop Left Edge - Tamron 28-200 FE - San Francisco from Marin Headlands



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Dec 21, 2020 at 05:09 PM
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Wow....a pretty significant difference.

lora_to wrote:
Here are two recent shots that I haven't really processed yet. On the A7RIV.

Haze is always a huge problem in the Bay Area so please keep that in mind, but the Sigma is nice and sharp, even on the A7RIV. I'd call it sharp edge-to-edge with good contrast. I haven't shot it much at 400mm at infinity due to smoke winter haze around here.

I have not owned the 100-400 GM, but judging from other's images online it's not far off if I had to say. I did however own both the Sigma 100-400 and 150-600 in Canon EF mount and
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Dec 22, 2020 at 01:53 AM
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Is it me or this lens just doesn't look as tack sharp as the 100-400 GM for birds. There is always a slight softness to the eyes.


Dec 31, 2020 at 06:19 PM
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The Sony 100-400 GM is "special"....


Dec 31, 2020 at 08:49 PM
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Mendocino Coast







Jan 11, 2021 at 02:40 AM
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I haven’t seen too many bird photos nor have I taken too many. At least the ones I posted above, I wouldn’t analyze it too much because those were literally the first photos I took with the lens and have never really tried bird photography. I can attest to the fact that the lens is quite sharp for landscapes, so I’m not too worried. For $949 and for being as light and small as it is, it’s sharp enough compared to the GM. And in some cases, it’s probably as sharp.

I do love the push/pull zooming feature of the lens. Super convenient and fast, and I can see that working to my benefit for wildlife.

gordec wrote:
Is it me or this lens just doesn't look as tack sharp as the 100-400 GM for birds. There is always a slight softness to the eyes.




Jan 11, 2021 at 12:11 PM
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gordec wrote:
Is it me or this lens just doesn't look as tack sharp as the 100-400 GM for birds. There is always a slight softness to the eyes.


Technique is super important - and I hope I don't insult anyone but most of us posting on this thread are not birders. I tried my hand at photographing hummingbirds and it's hard to say how much is the lens and how much is just my lack of experience. AF modes, ISO, shutter speed, holding-technique, OIS mode, ... can all impact the perceived sharpness as does post-processing. I have a feeling most of the buyers of the Sigma skew landscape or travel, whereas the subset of GM buyers that post birding images are probably quite experienced (and many are used to high ISOs and experts at noise reduction and sharpening).

That said, given my experience with the Sigma and photographing hummingbirds on the A7RIV, I wouldn't be surprised if the GM is substantially better at AF + tracking for birding. It could the RIV but tracking is often lost after 3-4 continuous shots, acquisition is also sometimes hard when you're close to MFD with a fast little bird quickly pacing around the bushes.

Another data point that the GM is probably a lot better at birding, Stefano Ianiro (bird/wildlife YouTube) posted a preview video of using the Sigma 100-400 for backyard birding a month or so ago but and said he would follow up in the field but never did. I assume he gave up and returned the lens.

If your priority is birding and you need the highest percentage of keepers, definitely get the 100-400 GM. If you want to occasionally dabble with birds and don't mind having fewer keepers, the Sigma can produce sharp images.

Here's one picture that's reasonably sharp of a perched hummingbird. I used clarity +20, texture +20, sharpen 56/radius 1.0, zero noise reduction - hopefully nothing too controversial, though more aggressive than I'd usually go. But again, this was on my 2nd attempt shooting hummingbirds (a total novice) and my shutter speed was way too low, I just got lucky it sat still long enough. I'd say I get around 20% sharp/tack-sharp images of fast-moving hummingbirds near the Sigma's MFD at 400mm, on the A7RIV not A7III or A9 with possibly better AF.




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100% crop of 60mpix on the A7RIV, screenshot of LR 1:1 preview




Jan 11, 2021 at 01:37 PM
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gordec wrote:
Is it me or this lens just doesn't look as tack sharp as the 100-400 GM for birds. There is always a slight softness to the eyes.


GM 100-400 is very slightly sharper ,but what makes the "eyeball" difference between the two is discernibly higher GM's microcontrast.



Jan 11, 2021 at 01:50 PM
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lora_to wrote:
Technique is super important - and I hope I don't insult anyone but most of us posting on this thread are not birders. I tried my hand at photographing hummingbirds and it's hard to say how much is the lens and how much is just my lack of experience. AF modes, ISO, shutter speed, holding-technique, OIS mode, ... can all impact the perceived sharpness as does post-processing. I have a feeling most of the buyers of the Sigma skew landscape or travel, whereas the subset of GM buyers that post birding images are probably quite experienced (and many are used
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I have owned both the 100-400GM and 200-600 with A9. I'm no way great at birding. I do enjoy it and got the A9 to see if I can do BIFs. I never really quite got the results I wanted. It seems like I'm only good at stationary animals, so I sold the 200-600 and A9. I do enjoy taking a 100-400 on hikes in case I see something. I looked through my pictures with the GM or 200-600. They both seems a little nicer than the Sigma. I much prefer the price point of the Sigma since I'm not that serious about it.























Jan 11, 2021 at 03:43 PM
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lora_to wrote:
Technique is super important - and I hope I don't insult anyone but most of us posting on this thread are not birders. I tried my hand at photographing hummingbirds and it's hard to say how much is the lens and how much is just my lack of experience. AF modes, ISO, shutter speed, holding-technique, OIS mode, ... can all impact the perceived sharpness as does post-processing. I have a feeling most of the buyers of the Sigma skew landscape or travel, whereas the subset of GM buyers that post birding images are probably quite experienced (and many are used
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Nice shot of the hummingbird! I just got back from Mendocino County and took a bunch landscape and bird photos with the Sigma, but lighting conditions were challenging when the birds were out, and I was mostly using the 200-600 (to which I also faced the same challenges). I'm still culling/editing the photos. If any of the bird ones are acceptable, I'll post them here.

Also, I'm not insulted at all and I think you're spot on that there are many variables involved to determine if this lens produces softer images for birds vs. the GM. It could be that the GM is just sharper, by a slight margin, over the Sigma, which if I'm a GM owner, would expect it to be.

I'm also awaiting the video(s) from Stefano Ianiro. He probably got busy with real life and making videos is a lot of work, so I would hold tight. It will be interesting to see what he concludes since I think he's pretty competent with bird photography.

EDIT: Stefano says he still plans on putting out some videos and that so far he's loving the lens, so there's that



Jan 11, 2021 at 04:00 PM
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I don't mean to sound too defensive of the Sigma, I agree that the GM seems to be sharper or as Peire said has more microcontrast. You usually do get what you pay for in some way.

In my testing I've also found my copy to be a bit weaker at 400mm than the wider end. And I once got an image whose whole half side was blurry and other half sharp, assume it was the OIS so that makes me a bit worried about OIS. The lens is not flawless and definitely not quite as good as the GM.

Given that the Sigma and Sony 200-600 combined cost about as much as the GM+TC I was also thinking I'd get them both, but the A7RIV reports of AF issues turned me off for now.

Great to hear Stefano kept the Sigma, I'm curious what he says as he seems quite knowledgeable and has experience with the GM and 200-600.



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