p.7 #1In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
nehemiahphoto wrote: Steve Spencer wrotenehemiahphoto wroteI am wondering how far CV can implement this formula with tweaking...how about 28 1.2 or 1.4 Nokton in the same vein as the 35/40/50 1.2sI would love to see that.
The Nokton's we currently have in E mount are:
21 f/1.4; 40 f/1.2; and 50 f/1.2
There are obviously some holes there.
The Nokton's we currently have in VM mount are:
21 f/1.4, 35 f/1.2 III, 40 f/1.2, 50 f/1.2, and 75 f/1.5 (there is a 50 f/1.1 and 50 f/1.5, but I think these are being supplanted by the 50 f/1.2)
There are fewer holes here, but it seems there is room for at least one and probably 2 Nokton between 21 and 35. I would love to see a 28 Nokton (either f/1.2 or f/1.4) and maybe there is room for a 24 or 35 as well. For now, however, I would just be happy with the 35 f/1.2 III and the 75 f/1.5 being offered in E mount. I really hope that happens by the end of the year. Even if these lenses don't get developed for E-mount they do pretty well on the Sony cameras with an adapter for VM mount. Not ideal, but still very good options.I am not too desperate for the 75 1.5 port or the 35 1.2 v.3 (especially given the performance here. I didn't even bother to check, but I trust Fred's and Juha's findings).
I see the a 24 1.2/1.4 as being too close to the 21 1.4, or at least it would make more sense to release a 28mm with the 21/35 gap, lack of decent 28 options, and given that most RF's have 28 frame lines natively so a VM could come out and be ported to e-mount, which CV seems to prefer but perhaps they'd do an e-mount only has they have before a couple times here recently.
I'd like to see a smallish low distortion 24/2 (not specifically from CV, but any M-mount manufacturer) that's got a little under-corrected SA wide open but gets brilliant across the frame by f/4.
p.7 #2In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
freaklikeme wrote: nehemiahphoto wroteSteve Spencer wrotenehemiahphoto wroteI am wondering how far CV can implement this formula with tweaking...how about 28 1.2 or 1.4 Nokton in the same vein as the 35/40/50 1.2sI would love to see that.
The Nokton's we currently have in E mount are:
21 f/1.4; 40 f/1.2; and 50 f/1.2
There are obviously some holes there.
The Nokton's we currently have in VM mount are:
21 f/1.4, 35 f/1.2 III, 40 f/1.2, 50 f/1.2, and 75 f/1.5 (there is a 50 f/1.1 and 50 f/1.5, but I think these are being supplanted by the 50 f/1.2)
There are fewer holes here, but it seems there is room for at least one and probably 2 Nokton between 21 and 35. I would love to see a 28 Nokton (either f/1.2 or f/1.4) and maybe there is room for a 24 or 35 as well. For now, however, I would just be happy with the 35 f/1.2 III and the 75 f/1.5 being offered in E mount. I really hope that happens by the end of the year. Even if these lenses don't get developed for E-mount they do pretty well on the Sony cameras with an adapter for VM mount. Not ideal, but still very good options.I am not too desperate for the 75 1.5 port or the 35 1.2 v.3 (especially given the performance here. I didn't even bother to check, but I trust Fred's and Juha's findings).
I see the a 24 1.2/1.4 as being too close to the 21 1.4, or at least it would make more sense to release a 28mm with the 21/35 gap, lack of decent 28 options, and given that most RF's have 28 frame lines natively so a VM could come out and be ported to e-mount, which CV seems to prefer but perhaps they'd do an e-mount only has they have before a couple times here recently.I'd like to see a smallish low distortion 24/2 (not specifically from CV, but any M-mount manufacturer) that's got a little under-corrected SA wide open but gets brilliant across the frame by f/4.
I'd take it, sounds lovely, but as as a 28. I don't like 24's.
p.7 #3In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
For those curious, the coma performance on this new 35/1.2 is bad. Here's a photo at 1.2, with corner crop from the upper right. Focused on the center stars, and this is on the merciful a7s.
p.7 #4In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
Another short tele that might enter the mix is a Sigma Contemporary 90/2.8 in the same vein as their 45/2.8. Sigma could make it a 75/2.8 or 85/2.8 as well. Just speculating, I have no insight into Sigma’s plans.
A lightweight CV 75/1.5 corrected for Sony could be a good idea. Chopping of 10mm from an 85mm to make a 75/1.5 FE may enable Cosina to keep the lens lightweight, optically good and still fast. Same thinking as what Tamron has done with their FE zooms.
p.7 #5In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
nehemiahphoto wrote: freaklikeme wrotenehemiahphoto wroteSteve Spencer wrotenehemiahphoto wroteI am wondering how far CV can implement this formula with tweaking...how about 28 1.2 or 1.4 Nokton in the same vein as the 35/40/50 1.2sI would love to see that.
The Nokton's we currently have in E mount are:
21 f/1.4; 40 f/1.2; and 50 f/1.2
There are obviously some holes there.
The Nokton's we currently have in VM mount are:
21 f/1.4, 35 f/1.2 III, 40 f/1.2, 50 f/1.2, and 75 f/1.5 (there is a 50 f/1.1 and 50 f/1.5, but I think these are being supplanted by the 50 f/1.2)
There are fewer holes here, but it seems there is room for at least one and probably 2 Nokton between 21 and 35. I would love to see a 28 Nokton (either f/1.2 or f/1.4) and maybe there is room for a 24 or 35 as well. For now, however, I would just be happy with the 35 f/1.2 III and the 75 f/1.5 being offered in E mount. I really hope that happens by the end of the year. Even if these lenses don't get developed for E-mount they do pretty well on the Sony cameras with an adapter for VM mount. Not ideal, but still very good options.I am not too desperate for the 75 1.5 port or the 35 1.2 v.3 (especially given the performance here. I didn't even bother to check, but I trust Fred's and Juha's findings).
I see the a 24 1.2/1.4 as being too close to the 21 1.4, or at least it would make more sense to release a 28mm with the 21/35 gap, lack of decent 28 options, and given that most RF's have 28 frame lines natively so a VM could come out and be ported to e-mount, which CV seems to prefer but perhaps they'd do an e-mount only has they have before a couple times here recently.I'd like to see a smallish low distortion 24/2 (not specifically from CV, but any M-mount manufacturer) that's got a little under-corrected SA wide open but gets brilliant across the frame by f/4.I'd take it, sounds lovely, but as as a 28. I don't like 24's.
You'd want a 28 with your 32's right on top of it?
p.7 #6In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
freaklikeme wrote: nehemiahphoto wrotefreaklikeme wrotenehemiahphoto wroteSteve Spencer wrotenehemiahphoto wroteI am wondering how far CV can implement this formula with tweaking...how about 28 1.2 or 1.4 Nokton in the same vein as the 35/40/50 1.2sI would love to see that.
The Nokton's we currently have in E mount are:
21 f/1.4; 40 f/1.2; and 50 f/1.2
There are obviously some holes there.
The Nokton's we currently have in VM mount are:
21 f/1.4, 35 f/1.2 III, 40 f/1.2, 50 f/1.2, and 75 f/1.5 (there is a 50 f/1.1 and 50 f/1.5, but I think these are being supplanted by the 50 f/1.2)
There are fewer holes here, but it seems there is room for at least one and probably 2 Nokton between 21 and 35. I would love to see a 28 Nokton (either f/1.2 or f/1.4) and maybe there is room for a 24 or 35 as well. For now, however, I would just be happy with the 35 f/1.2 III and the 75 f/1.5 being offered in E mount. I really hope that happens by the end of the year. Even if these lenses don't get developed for E-mount they do pretty well on the Sony cameras with an adapter for VM mount. Not ideal, but still very good options.I am not too desperate for the 75 1.5 port or the 35 1.2 v.3 (especially given the performance here. I didn't even bother to check, but I trust Fred's and Juha's findings).
I see the a 24 1.2/1.4 as being too close to the 21 1.4, or at least it would make more sense to release a 28mm with the 21/35 gap, lack of decent 28 options, and given that most RF's have 28 frame lines natively so a VM could come out and be ported to e-mount, which CV seems to prefer but perhaps they'd do an e-mount only has they have before a couple times here recently.I'd like to see a smallish low distortion 24/2 (not specifically from CV, but any M-mount manufacturer) that's got a little under-corrected SA wide open but gets brilliant across the frame by f/4.I'd take it, sounds lovely, but as as a 28. I don't like 24's.You'd want a 28 with your 32's right on top of it?
p.7 #13In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
If it's primarily for use on Sony bodies then I think the native 35/1.4 or 40/1.2 could make more sense as long as this one has to be adapted. 35/1.4 is considerably cheaper too. If there are additional options to use the lens adapted on other mirrorless or natively on Leica M then the new 35/1.2 III could be very nice for multi-system use.
j4nu wrote:
Do you guys really think this one is that much better than the already present native e-mount Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 (wink, wink)?
p.7 #14In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
Juha Kannisto wrote:
If it's primarily for use on Sony bodies then I think the native 35/1.4 or 40/1.2 could make more sense as long as this one has to be adapted. 35/1.4 is considerably cheaper too. If there are additional options to use the lens adapted on other mirrorless or natively on Leica M then the new 35/1.2 III could be very nice for multi-system use.
j4nu wroteDo you guys really think this one is that much better than the already present native e-mount Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 (wink, wink)?
The CV 35/1.4 E-mount's rendering is pretty funky though. It's not for everyone.
p.7 #15In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
Yeah For those who might not like the 35/1.4 wide open rendering, there's always the 40/1.2 and probably the 35/1.2 will make it to E-mount sooner or later. Still enjoying the smaller size of the VM though and I plan to use it more on my Sigma fp but won't hesitate to use it on my Sony either since it adapts so well and I like the ease of being able to shoot at hard infinity without pulling back a little which I need to do with the native Sony versions. That might be different from copy to copy / camera to camera and depends on adapter thickness though.
Fred Miranda wrote: Juha Kannisto wroteIf it's primarily for use on Sony bodies then I think the native 35/1.4 or 40/1.2 could make more sense as long as this one has to be adapted. 35/1.4 is considerably cheaper too. If there are additional options to use the lens adapted on other mirrorless or natively on Leica M then the new 35/1.2 III could be very nice for multi-system use.
j4nu wroteDo you guys really think this one is that much better than the already present native e-mount Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 (wink, wink)?The CV 35/1.4 E-mount's rendering is pretty funky though. It's not for everyone.
p.7 #16In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
Juha Kannisto wrote:
Yeah For those who might not like the 35/1.4 wide open rendering, there's always the 40/1.2 and probably the 35/1.2 will make it to E-mount sooner or later. Still enjoying the smaller size of the VM though and I plan to use it more on my Sigma fp but won't hesitate to use it on my Sony either since it adapts so well and I like the ease of being able to shoot at hard infinity without pulling back a little which I need to do with the native Sony versions. That might be different from copy to copy / camera to camera and depends on adapter thickness though.
...Show more →Fred Miranda wroteJuha Kannisto wroteIf it's primarily for use on Sony bodies then I think the native 35/1.4 or 40/1.2 could make more sense as long as this one has to be adapted. 35/1.4 is considerably cheaper too. If there are additional options to use the lens adapted on other mirrorless or natively on Leica M then the new 35/1.2 III could be very nice for multi-system use.
j4nu wroteDo you guys really think this one is that much better than the already present native e-mount Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 (wink, wink)?The CV 35/1.4 E-mount's rendering is pretty funky though. It's not for everyone.
Rendering is indeed subjective and it was the main reason I wanted to try the Nokton Classic. My main gripe about it is that it really needs stopping down to around f/2.8 to get sharp up close :/ . Is it any better with the new f/1.2 ?
p.7 #17In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
nehemiahphoto wrote:
For those curious, the coma performance on this new 35/1.2 is bad. Here's a photo at 1.2, with corner crop from the upper right. Focused on the center stars, and this is on the merciful a7s.
Vignetting in the corners also looks pretty extreme, probably in the ballpark of the 21mm 1.4 (3.5 EV).
Not my choice for astrophotography either.
p.7 #18In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
The new CV 35 1.2 is sharp centrally @ 1.2 (though not at/near MFD because of increase SA). The CV 35 1.4 is a different thing (and worse optically) entirely.
p.7 #19In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
j4nu wrote: Juha Kannisto wroteYeah For those who might not like the 35/1.4 wide open rendering, there's always the 40/1.2 and probably the 35/1.2 will make it to E-mount sooner or later. Still enjoying the smaller size of the VM though and I plan to use it more on my Sigma fp but won't hesitate to use it on my Sony either since it adapts so well and I like the ease of being able to shoot at hard infinity without pulling back a little which I need to do with the native Sony versions. That might be different from copy to copy / camera to camera and depends on adapter thickness though.
Fred Miranda wroteJuha Kannisto wroteIf it's primarily for use on Sony bodies then I think the native 35/1.4 or 40/1.2 could make more sense as long as this one has to be adapted. 35/1.4 is considerably cheaper too. If there are additional options to use the lens adapted on other mirrorless or natively on Leica M then the new 35/1.2 III could be very nice for multi-system use.
j4nu wroteDo you guys really think this one is that much better than the already present native e-mount Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 (wink, wink)?The CV 35/1.4 E-mount's rendering is pretty funky though. It's not for everyone. Rendering is indeed subjective and it was the main reason I wanted to try the Nokton Classic. My main gripe about it is that it really needs stopping down to around f/2.8 to get sharp up close :/ . Is it any better with the new f/1.2 ?
I also think 35/1.2 is sharper in close distance. I have both lenses so I can try to take some comparison shot(s) at home at close distance later this week as soon as I have enough time from teleworking...
p.7 #20In Stock: Voigtlander 35mm f/1.2 Nokton III Aspherical
nehemiahphoto wrote:
The new CV 35 1.2 is sharp centrally @ 1.2 (though not at/near MFD because of increase SA). The CV 35 1.4 is a different thing (and worse optically) entirely.
Can't say I like the transition zone too much.
Rendering seems to be closer to the 40mm 1.2 than the newer 50mm 1.2, I was hoping it to be closer to the 50mm. Might have been too optimistic.
Should also be getting a review sample soon, maybe this week even.