RobAmy wrote:
For you guys not happy with the 512gb card, I will be happy to exchange the 64gb card for it
I'd be happy to sell you it for a slight drop from retail.
The interesting thing is CFExpress prices get better $/MB as card size increases.
Based on US prices you could only buy three 128GB cards for the price of a 512GB card (384 vs 512). You could only buy four 64GB cards (256GB vs 512). Two 256GB cards costs $800 vs $600 for a 512.
RobAmy wrote:
I assume the RRS L bracket will fit the new camera also? Do you think RRS will make any changes for this model?
Oh, wish you asked this a couple days ago. I could have brought my Kirk bracket to the meeting yesterday. I didn't take a close look at the accessory ports to compare the design of those against the II. Maybe someone can compare online photos to get an idea of the port locations on the III might interfere with existing brackets.
What I found interesting was the lack of blackout using live view. I would have loved to see him shoot a burst while panning the camera.
My guess is the 1DXIII functions similar to the EOS R. Which inserts a frame when the shutter is actuating so it appears there is no blackout. But if you’re panning, this actually causes a little slideshow effect as the frame being displayed is actually a little behind what is actually in front of the camera.
Does anyone know if the screen grab size from video changed. I believe it was a 8mp size with the 1dx II but now with the full size 4k vs crop and 5.5k not sure if this would matter. I did not notice that on the white paper anywhere.
robert614 wrote:
Interesting. Thanks for posting this.
What I found interesting was the lack of blackout using live view. I would have loved to see him shoot a burst while panning the camera.
My guess is the 1DXIII functions similar to the EOS R. Which inserts a frame when the shutter is actuating so it appears there is no blackout. But if you’re panning, this actually causes a little slideshow effect as the frame being displayed is actually a little behind what is actually in front of the camera.
Yes the lack of blackout intrigued me also. Like you, I'd guess it is doing what the R does. It was impossible to tell without him moving the camera. I can handle that affect for still subjects (perched birds, floating birds) but for moving subjects it makes things difficult. Then again, I wouldn't ever try to shoot BIF from the rear LCD of the 1DXIII at arms length so it doesn't really matter.
Canon claims they have greatly improved the sensor read time to minimize rolling shutter. Will be interesting to see how fast it reads once someone tests it. I saw a few video tests of the rolling shutter when watching some Youtube reviews yesterday. They say it is improved but certainly still there. DPReview review shows it and CameraLabs video shows it.
Canon producing a sensor that can read fast enough to shoot ES for moving subjects and provide a blackout free EVF will be a critical feature for their future 1DX mirrorless offering in RF mount. Granted, they wouldn't have to have that to make a 1DX MILC if instead they just relied on a 20FPS Mech Shutter with a live feed to the EVF and just the shutter blackout and EVF delay to deal with. But if they don't make action shooting feasible in ES then the A9 will continue to hold a strong competitive advantage over that future camera.
It is widely speculated that the 1DXIII will be the last of its kind. When it is due for replacement in early 2024 we assume it will be with a full MILC. I've seen the Canon patents for a hybrid OVF/EVF....I think there is still a decent chance that instead we will see a 1DXIV in the same form factor as 1DXIII but with the hybrid OVF/EVF. If Canon could pull that off and allow the photographer to have the ultimate choice between shooting OVF or EVF then that would probably go over easiest with the intended market for that camera. If they also threw in a (rugged enough for a 1-series) tilt screen it would be my ultimate camera.
arbitrage wrote:
Yes the lack of blackout intrigued me also. Like you, I'd guess it is doing what the R does. It was impossible to tell without him moving the camera. I can handle that affect for still subjects (perched birds, floating birds) but for moving subjects it makes things difficult. Then again, I wouldn't ever try to shoot BIF from the rear LCD of the 1DXIII at arms length so it doesn't really matter.
Canon claims they have greatly improved the sensor read time to minimize rolling shutter. Will be interesting to see how fast it reads once someone tests it. I saw a few video tests of the rolling shutter when watching some Youtube reviews yesterday. They say it is improved but certainly still there. DPReview review shows it and CameraLabs video shows it.
Canon producing a sensor that can read fast enough to shoot ES for moving subjects and provide a blackout free EVF will be a critical feature for their future 1DX mirrorless offering in RF mount. Granted, they wouldn't have to have that to make a 1DX MILC if instead they just relied on a 20FPS Mech Shutter with a live feed to the EVF and just the shutter blackout and EVF delay to deal with. But if they don't make action shooting feasible in ES then the A9 will continue to hold a strong competitive advantage over that future camera.
It is widely speculated that the 1DXIII will be the last of its kind. When it is due for replacement in early 2024 we assume it will be with a full MILC. I've seen the Canon patents for a hybrid OVF/EVF....I think there is still a decent chance that instead we will see a 1DXIV in the same form factor as 1DXIII but with the hybrid OVF/EVF. If Canon could pull that off and allow the photographer to have the ultimate choice between shooting OVF or EVF then that would probably go over easiest with the intended market for that camera. If they also threw in a (rugged enough for a 1-series) tilt screen it would be my ultimate camera. ...Show more →
I think you may be right about the possibility of a 1DX Mark IV. I would guess it’s 50/50 right now on whether the eventual replacement for the 1DXIII will be a EF mount DSLR with hybrid OVF/EVF. Or a RF mount 1 Series equivalent.
I think the upcoming RF bodies like a EOS R II should give us a better picture where Canon’s RF technology is currently at.
I also think if Canon announces any RF big whites like a 400mm F2.8. Then the next flagship body will almost certainly be RF mount.
I think the super-teles will remain EF for a few years and possibly a reason the 400 and 600 IIIs were recently released. Due to the considerable number of 'legacy' EF users who wouldn't benefit from those appearing now in RF mount.
But on the other hand, a niche super tele DO RF lens might be an incentive for some to make the transition sooner.
robert614 wrote:
Interesting. Thanks for posting this.
What I found interesting was the lack of blackout using live view. I would have loved to see him shoot a burst while panning the camera.
My guess is the 1DXIII functions similar to the EOS R. Which inserts a frame when the shutter is actuating so it appears there is no blackout. But if you’re panning, this actually causes a little slideshow effect as the frame being displayed is actually a little behind what is actually in front of the camera.
I noticed this too in the video.
When I had a brief look at the camera a couple days ago, I tried panning while shooting with the mechanical shutter in live view. There was a very slight stutter, but it was never that the live view feed fell behind more and more while the the shutter was running at 20fps. I never got the feeling it would be difficult to keep following a subject as it moved across the frame, or trying to keep it in one spot in the frame. Once the shutter button was release there was a ~quarter second lag before live view was fluid again.
arbitrage wrote:
It is widely speculated that the 1DXIII will be the last of its kind. When it is due for replacement in early 2024 we assume it will be with a full MILC. I've seen the Canon patents for a hybrid OVF/EVF....I think there is still a decent chance that instead we will see a 1DXIV in the same form factor as 1DXIII but with the hybrid OVF/EVF. If Canon could pull that off and allow the photographer to have the ultimate choice between shooting OVF or EVF then that would probably go over easiest with the intended market for that camera. If they also threw in a (rugged enough for a 1-series) tilt screen it would be my ultimate camera. ...Show more →
I think you probably know that my opinion for the past year has been (unpopularly) that the 1DXIII should (have) be(en) an OVF/EVF hybrid. If it comes in a Mark IV three-four years from now, it will be too late because it will be EF mount.
If Canon is indeed putting all or most lens development efforts towards RF instead of EF, the viability of such a 1DXIV will depend a lot on the available and soon to come RF lens options at that time because it will be cutoff from RF lens compatibility.
For a 'legacy' shooter like me, EF lenses right now make a lot of sense because I can use them on both systems. But I will eventually want to transition to RF lenses. Of course, those lenses won't be usable on an EF body. So I'll be in the predicament of having some bodies that have limited compatibility and restricted usefulness. Granted the 1DXIII seems to be focused at an increasingly niche market. But for someone like me who has traditionally been a 1D series user and has to carefully consider budget vs. usefulness, such a camera in four years (and likely even more expensive than the III) will probably be a non-starter.
I just got an M6 Mark II to borrow for a few weeks and something immediately struck me when panning and shooting with it: at maximum fps mechanical shutter, there was significant lag/stutter in the live view/EVF feed. To the point where it was annoying. The 1DXIII in live view while panning was much, much better. It was not 100% fluid, but I would instead equate it to being similar to DSLR OVF blackout, without actual blackout (probably because a still frame is inserted during actual blackout).
I have not yet tried the R so not sure how it compares to the M6II in similar situations. If it's similar, then the 1DXIII is a significant improvement. Maybe not as good as the a9, but certainly usable.
rscheffler wrote:
I just got an M6 Mark II to borrow for a few weeks and something immediately struck me when panning and shooting with it: at maximum fps mechanical shutter, there was significant lag/stutter in the live view/EVF feed. To the point where it was annoying. The 1DXIII in live view while panning was much, much better. It was not 100% fluid, but I would instead equate it to being similar to DSLR OVF blackout, without actual blackout (probably because a still frame is inserted during actual blackout).
I have not yet tried the R so not sure how it compares to the M6II in similar situations. If it's similar, then the 1DXIII is a significant improvement. Maybe not as good as the a9, but certainly usable....Show more →
Did you try it in Electronic shutter mode at all? Curious how it behaves at different FPS in that mode. Of course that is when we have to start worrying about distorting fast moving subjects if the sensor read time isn't fast enough.
Regardless, the fact that the 1DXIII can do 20FPS in mechanical is a feat on its own. Does anyone know what the fastest mechanical FPS is out there? I'm sure this must be the fastest to date. No Sony does over 10FPS.
Bodes well for the latest set of EOS R II rumoured specs showing 12FPS with 32MP sensor...that is something to get on board with....also IBIS and CFExpress/SD slots....
I haven't downloaded the M6II manual yet and currently don't have the time to dive into it, but when I switch it to electronic shutter it only permits single frame capture.
Prior to the 14/16 fps of the 1DXII, I believe the fastest Canon camera was the New F-1 High Speed Motor Drive Camera at 14 fps. Even the EOS-1N RS pellicle camera 'only' did 10 fps (focus was locked at that speed, IIRC).
I'm guessing the 1DXIII's 16fps through the OVF is when shooting at or near wide open.
rscheffler wrote:
I haven't downloaded the M6II manual yet and currently don't have the time to dive into it, but when I switch it to electronic shutter it only permits single frame capture.
Prior to the 14/16 fps of the 1DXII, I believe the fastest Canon camera was the New F-1 High Speed Motor Drive Camera at 14 fps. Even the EOS-1N RS pellicle camera 'only' did 10 fps (focus was locked at that speed, IIRC).
I'm guessing the 1DXIII's 16fps through the OVF is when shooting at or near wide open.
I will never understand the decision to blindly repeat misinformation on forums instead of taking exactly 37 seconds to find the answer in the manual.
Edit to say, clearly this wasn’t misinformation. It was correct.
Jesse Evans wrote:
I will never understand the decision to blindly repeat misinformation on forums instead of taking exactly 37 seconds to find the answer in the manual.
What was incorrect about the original statement? Your screenshot of the manual says the same thing. All the multi-frame modes are not available in E-shutter.
arbitrage wrote:
What was incorrect about the original statement? Your screenshot of the manual says the same thing. All the multi-frame modes are not available in E-shutter.
Egg on my face, I misread the sentence. Whoopsie. Sorry to the poster I accused of posting misinfo!
I'm sorry but this video is not convincing at all.
At first he starts to say that this video is about the 1dx mark II (ok, little error, no problem)
Then he compares the camera to the a7r mark IV for weddings. Ehm, sure.. but unless he meant for video, i'd say nah.
Then he calls the camera the king of sports/wildlife/etc, and after that he says that it's hopefully proving to be all that.
He also mentions that Heif file format is more important than having more dynamic range. I'm not saying that a better file format is not innovative, it is. But why compare it to more DR from other brands...
I mean, what does this video add but adding to the hype before every new release of a camera.
I'd like to see real world tests comparing the II vs the III. TBH, being in marketing for many years myself now, i still am sceptical of the improved AF capabilities of the camera as compared to the previous model. And if it's better, how much better.
Looking forward to seeing some really informative footage...
Don't start out by apologizing, there was no claim by me that it was convincing...
Just another person letting us know what they think.
therealthings wrote:
I'm sorry but this video is not convincing at all.
At first he starts to say that this video is about the 1dx mark II (ok, little error, no problem)
Then he compares the camera to the a7r mark IV for weddings. Ehm, sure.. but unless he meant for video, i'd say nah.
Then he calls the camera the king of sports/wildlife/etc, and after that he says that it's hopefully proving to be all that.
He also mentions that Heif file format is more important than having more dynamic range. I'm not saying that a better file format is not innovative, it is. But why compare it to more DR from other brands...
I mean, what does this video add but adding to the hype before every new release of a camera.
I'd like to see real world tests comparing the II vs the III. TBH, being in marketing for many years myself now, i still am sceptical of the improved AF capabilities of the camera as compared to the previous model. And if it's better, how much better.
Looking forward to seeing some really informative footage... ...Show more →
