Pixel Perfect wrote:
So lens is as good as was being hyped and looks amazing. I’m still torn on this or the 65 even though the 50 performs a bit better, the 65 is still excellent and the ability to focus so close nis enticing. I tend to do floral portraits not human portraits. I do like how compact the 50mm is however.
I may need to toss a coin and have a best of 51 to decide.
I suffer from paralysis by analysis.
If you are going to do a lot of close focus and/or macro type images, i say CV65 all day long...
theacguy71 wrote:
If you are going to do a lot of close focus and/or macro type images, i say CV65 all day long...
If you are a flower dude, you want the 65.
Really performance is a wash. The 65 is unimportantly better at controlling CA and the 50 is almost just discernibly more resolution is some cases if you peep hard. (based on Fred's tests: my 50 hasn't arrived yet, tough I think I'll be keeping 65) Hard to imagine more similar performance.
The real differences are size, FL and macro.
The 50 wins on size but for floral stuff the 65 wins on FL and macro.
'how possible even a 35 f/2 APO would be if it is going to be at all small. Notice that nobody, AFAIK, has made such a lens.'
Leica make - in APO form - 35-50-75-90mm. See below for infinity perfomance of the SL 35/2 APO, see the general shape of the curves resemble the CV APOs. It's a 13/11, and is lighter/shorter/smaller diameter (67mm filters) than the FE Sony 50/1.4 ZA and 340g/much smaller than the Sigma 35/1.2 - with very technical AF. It's significantly stronger at f2 than the Otus 28mm is at f4. New glass makes the previously impossible entirely plausible, especially for Cosina. Would a 550-600g 35/2 APO-Lanthar suit you?
theacguy71 wrote:
If you are going to do a lot of close focus and/or macro type images, i say CV65 all day long...
The trouble is I'm not, I also have a 100mm macro but it's f/2.8 and also a bit long for more general use. The 50-65mm range is more useful to me for a broader range of subjects and floral portraits won't be a common as other types of shooting. I'd have been happy if the 50 could do 0.25x at mfd then I wouldn't hesitate. 50mm a bit more versatile FL but 65mm has that one killer feature that comes in very handy.
philip_pj wrote:
'how possible even a 35 f/2 APO would be if it is going to be at all small. Notice that nobody, AFAIK, has made such a lens.'
Leica make - in APO form - 35-50-75-90mm. See below for infinity perfomance of the SL 35/2 APO, see the general shape of the curves resemble the CV APOs. It's a 13/11, and is lighter/shorter/smaller diameter (67mm filters) than the FE Sony 50/1.4 ZA and 340g/much smaller than the Sigma 35/1.2 - with very technical AF. It's significantly stronger at f2 than the Otus 28mm is at f4. New glass makes the previously impossible entirely plausible, especially for Cosina. Would a 550-600g 35/2 APO-Lanthar suit you?
Pixel Perfect wrote:
The trouble is I'm not, I also have a 100mm macro but it's f/2.8 and also a bit long for more general use. The 50-65mm range is more useful to me for a broader range of subjects and floral portraits won't be a common as other types of shooting. I'd have been happy if the 50 could do 0.25x at mfd then I wouldn't hesitate. 50mm a bit more versatile FL but 65mm has that one killer feature that comes in very handy.
Obviously, this lens is stunning optically, but thankfully for my wallet, I'm not seeing anything in the rendering that makes me want to pull out my card. Ironically, if anything it's making me want to finally get the 65/2, for similar IQ with that versatility in the bag.
It is such a brick though, that's one of the main reasons I don't shoot it as much as I should.
Jman13 wrote:
Obviously, this lens is stunning optically, but thankfully for my wallet, I'm not seeing anything in the rendering that makes me want to pull out my card. Ironically, if anything it's making me want to finally get the 65/2, for similar IQ with that versatility in the bag.
Mixed feelings about this 50, mainly because I already have a fleet of primes at this FL, none of them shabby. The main contender is the Yashica 55/2.8 ML Macro C/Y which competes on price, performance, weight, handling. As Fred mentions, the C/V can reach 1:2 with a diopter—and we both use the same trick for the STF—but I need to see distinguishing color performance to justify the price (with f/2.8 being fine for my purpose). Otherwise, the Apo-Lanthar 110 remains my stocking stuffer of choice.
philip_pj wrote:
'how possible even a 35 f/2 APO would be if it is going to be at all small. Notice that nobody, AFAIK, has made such a lens.'
Leica make - in APO form - 35-50-75-90mm. See below for infinity perfomance of the SL 35/2 APO, see the general shape of the curves resemble the CV APOs. It's a 13/11, and is lighter/shorter/smaller diameter (67mm filters) than the FE Sony 50/1.4 ZA and 340g/much smaller than the Sigma 35/1.2 - with very technical AF. It's significantly stronger at f2 than the Otus 28mm is at f4. New glass makes the previously impossible entirely plausible, especially for Cosina. Would a 550-600g 35/2 APO-Lanthar suit you?
These summicron SL lenses are what I most envy about L mount, Actually it’s all I envy.
Sony and Sigma are making premium very fast lenses, and budget f2 lenses. Panasonic-Leica are making these premium f2 lenses which is a niche I’d love to see filled for E (and without red dots at a much lower price)
jhinkey wrote:
If it's that sharp in the extreme corners wide open it likely has very well controlled coma one would think.
Hopefully the stars are out at Fred's house tonight. I know they aren't even close to being visible here is Seattle, though the Seattle waterfront at night from a distance would be a good coma test.
While I'm waiting for nightfall for the coma test, I took this picture. CV 50/2 @f/5.6
I picked up my copy yesterday and immediately ran Fred’s decentering test—perfectly symmetric. I’ve never previously encountered a lens whose corners wide open are hardly any different from the centre. The APO-Lanthar 50/2 is a perfect match for my recently acquired A7R4 and I can see it remaining on the camera, set at f/2.8, for the foreseeable future. I’ll be using it for street and portrait photography, ignoring the confident assertions made in this thread that MF lenses are completely unsuited for such purposes.
genji wrote:
I picked up my copy yesterday and immediately ran Fred’s decentering test—perfectly symmetric. I’ve never previously encountered a lens whose corners wide open are hardly any different from the centre. The APO-Lanthar 50/2 is a perfect match for my recently acquired A7R4 and I can see it remaining on the camera, set at f/2.8, for the foreseeable future. I’ll be using it for street and portrait photography, ignoring the confident assertions made in this thread that MF lenses are completely unsuited for such purposes.
It's not that MF lenses are completely unsuited for street and portrait photography，but using MF lens will waste Sony's excellent AF performance, such as eyes AF, automatic tracking, left/right eyes switch, etc，when you buy a camera, you have to pay for these features, so why not use these features more?
@olalafoto, I would but why does it come at the expense of weight, size, cost and performance. AF will always have a place in my bag, but does it really have to come at such a compromise?
Paul.S wrote:
@olalafoto@, I would but why does it come at the expense of weight, size, cost and performance. AF will always have a place in my bag, but does it really have to come at such a compromise?
So I chose Samyang AF 45/1.8, small, light, sharp center, low price
In fact, there's no absoluteness. I just want to express that there's no need to completely reject it. I also often use MF lens for portrait, animal and street photography
“New glass makes the impossible entirely possible..”.
I read that market speak (from Cosina) as “( Affordable )New glass makes the impossible entirely possible..”. Such (APD) glass existed before but came at a premium cost.
philip_pj wrote:
'how possible even a 35 f/2 APO would be if it is going to be at all small. Notice that nobody, AFAIK, has made such a lens.'
Leica make - in APO form - 35-50-75-90mm. See below for infinity perfomance of the SL 35/2 APO, see the general shape of the curves resemble the CV APOs. It's a 13/11, and is lighter/shorter/smaller diameter (67mm filters) than the FE Sony 50/1.4 ZA and 340g/much smaller than the Sigma 35/1.2 - with very technical AF. It's significantly stronger at f2 than the Otus 28mm is at f4. New glass makes the previously impossible entirely plausible, especially for Cosina. Would a 550-600g 35/2 APO-Lanthar suit you?
