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p.4 #1 · M6 Mark II for wildlife?


I got mine yesterday, hope to try it out with some long EF glass during the weekend.

DPR staff likes the camera:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2263828051/dpreview-products-of-the-year-2019?slide=17

But say it is not particularly well suited for sports and wildlife in their "in-depth" review, I am not exactly sure why though:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m6-ii-review

One let-down for me so far, no EFCS. Only fully mechanical or fully electronic. The readout in e-shutter is very slow, as expected. For my intended primary use, with the EF-M 11-22 glued on it, the lack of EFCS is not an issue, but it limits the potential for perfection as a complete system camera.

The shutter sound is cool, and in high speed mode it sounds really impessive. Yes, the shutter sound is the most important aspect of a camera right after unboxing



Nov 28, 2019 at 03:01 AM
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p.4 #2 · M6 Mark II for wildlife?


It has no tracking settings or even "focus search off". But still can get killer action shots.


Nov 28, 2019 at 03:25 AM
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A few notes from my use so far:

The 7 FPS setting is equivalent to focus priority while 14 FPS is speed priority. You can turn face detect off which is advisable for wildlife. Face detect doesn't recognize dog or bird faces in my testing.

The Quick Control Dial surrounding the Dial Func button controls exposure compensation when the AF is on, i.e. shooting. At other times it is used in conjunction with the Dial Func button to select a setting to adjust with the Main Dial surrounding the shutter button. The Dial Func offers 5 settings to choose from. Using Custom Function III-2 in the Menu allows customization of which 5 out of the 9 available settings are offered in use. Select the Dial Func and leave its assigned function as Dial Func but use the Info button to see the 9 settings options. You can sort the settings here too. This is barely covered in the user manual and caused me much confusion.

The lens image stabilizer runs all the time the camera is awake yet there is a noticeable wakeup lag if you use ECO mode or a short display sleep timer. This is not good for wildlife shooting. I use a 1 min sleep time but have assigned Sleep to the trash can button so I can easily sleep the camera if there will be a pause in my camera use. I've assigned my general action/wildlife settings to custom mode C1. For most photography I'm in Av mode so I have my landscape oriented settings active there.

Its a nice little camera. I'm still trying to learn how to best adjust the noise level at ISO 3200 in Lightroom. But the general IQ seems good. The focus bracketing capability is nice and works fairly easily. Moving the selected images from LR to PS as layers makes focus stacking simple. Can't assign focus bracketing to a custom mode so its in one of My Menus along with burst mode. The high frame rate is nice but between this and focus bracketing I have many more images to PP. I'm using CRaw and see no downside so far.



Nov 28, 2019 at 04:14 PM
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How does the Tamron 150-600mm G2 perform with an EF adapter? I'm being held back by it due to some earlier reports of AF incompatibility with the M5 and others.

I don't mind the external EVF, as on my 80D it got badly scratched by sand.



Dec 05, 2019 at 06:48 PM
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FYLegend wrote:
How does the Tamron 150-600mm G2 perform with an EF adapter? I'm being held back by it due to some earlier reports of AF incompatibility with the M5 and others.

I don't mind the external EVF, as on my 80D it got badly scratched by sand.


yes, I found the Tamron 150-600 AF very slow with the Canon M5, Sigma 150-600 better ... the old original Canon 100-400 as good as a DSLR.
www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless



Dec 05, 2019 at 06:53 PM
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Yeah, I think I saw your post, but I was just informed that the Tamron G1 works well with the M6 and M6 Mark II. I was considering the 90D but some reviews indicate its AF tracking is worse than the M6II.


Dec 05, 2019 at 07:28 PM
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Processing the M6II shouldn't be too hard at ISO 3200.

This is the M50 at 5000, here is the overall image.


Here is a crop taken from the JPG out of DPP


Here is 2 runs of Noiseware across the frame, with 2 runs of USM, and some exposure shifts. No masking or anything.


Here is the full image after these 5-6 different filters in Photoshop.
Full Size



Dec 06, 2019 at 06:12 PM
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M62, Sigma 150-600c from today.

The thing to get from a couple of these shots is, the camera focused through the junk.
For more info on the shots, click the link and go to my Flickr page.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49184499503_a0723785dd_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49184997286_5b76b32205_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49185196627_8a8d5f31f7_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49184498823_1c09de6965_b.jpg



Dec 07, 2019 at 07:25 PM
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davev wrote:
M62, Sigma 150-600c from today.

The thing to get from a couple of these shots is, the camera focused through the junk.
For more info on the shots, click the link and go to my Flickr page.


Very nice! I have an M6ii coming from LensRentals for the holidays and am looking forward to trying it out.



Dec 07, 2019 at 07:54 PM
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Davev
Very nice. I find the Sigma 150-600mm C pairs very well with the 90D. Were you hand holding or using a tripod?
There's something wrong with the display - I can't see the link or even the box to quote your post.



Dec 08, 2019 at 01:03 PM
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cpe1991 wrote:
Davev
Very nice. I find the Sigma 150-600mm C pairs very well with the 90D. Were you hand holding or using a tripod?
There's something wrong with the display - I can't see the link or even the box to quote your post.


Thanks.
All the shots are handheld. Using a tripod makes me feel like my feet are in cement. Once I set it up, I don't move.
I'm not sure if you're talking about the display on FM, or something else.

If you click the the Icon under my avatar, the one that looks like a red and blue dot, it will take you to my Flickr page for more info on the shots.



Dec 08, 2019 at 01:26 PM
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davev wrote:
Thanks.
All the shots are handheld. Using a tripod makes me feel like my feet are in cement. Once I set it up, I don't move.
I'm not sure if you're talking about the display on FM, or something else.

If you click the the Icon under my avatar, the one that looks like a red and blue dot, it will take you to my Flickr page for more info on the shots.


Thanks Dave! I didn't know the red and blue dot linking. Great photos on your site. I wondered about the tripod as I thought hand holding might be a bit uncomfortable.

I see you also use the A7RIII. How does it compare with the M6II?



Dec 08, 2019 at 02:30 PM
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Thanks again. As for the comparison between the two cameras, this is how I see it.

I used Canon equipment for at least 15 years. Canon was cutting edge and a real joy to use.
As the years went on, I, like many others started to feel that Canon was purposely crippling the cameras.
That's not to say that great photos couldn't be made with they're equipment, but it seemed like the cameras
were made for one type of shooting, so multiple cameras were needed, unless you could afford the top of the line.
I couldn't.

So after years of micro adjusting lenses to the different cameras that I owned, along comes Sony with a revolutionary camera.
The a7III.
That camera was affordable, more megapixels than most of the Canons, high iso that Canon could only dream of, and the ability to still use my lenses
with adapters on it. Of course they were a bit slower, but for the most part ... ok.

I've been shooting Sony for the last year and half. I have the a6300, a7III, the a6400, and the a7RIII, in order that I bought them.
The a6300, in my opinion is a dud. I pretty much wrote it off as a mistake.
Then the a7III came along and became my go to camera, but for wildlife, it lacked reach, and at the time, lacked lenses for reach.
So I got the a6400. Nice little camera that I hate the ergonomics of. The viewfinder off to the side drives me nuts.
Which brings us to the a7RIII.

The a7RIII, in crop mode is 18 megapixels. Not great, but better than the a7III.

When Sony was bringing out the a6600, I thought for sure the sensor would be upgraded to a 30-36 mp count, but I was wrong.

Now we're back to the Canon M6II. 32mp is the count I was looking for. I would have liked to have bought the 90D,
but I didn't want to go back to micro adjusting my lenses again.

So, back to the question, how do they compare. Short answer, they don't.
Once again, one camera handles some things great, the other does something different.

If you can fill the screen with the a7RIII, the amount of detail in your shot will amaze you.
The colors seem richer, the images sharper, but, for faster moving wildlife, it can't cut it. I wish it did, but it doesn't.

I've only had the m6II for a week, and have only been out shooting with if a couple of times.
The fact that the viewfinder isn't built in is a shame. I'll probably end up breaking it at some point.
It protrudes to far out the back of the camera, my camera bag will probably end up snapping it.

The files are ok, and right now, this time of year, the light is awful, and the the images just lack punch. (unless in full on sunlight)
I know this camera is for running small, but it's real small for a guy that in his younger days could palm a basketball.
I'm hoping that someone comes out with a grip or a cage for me to build it a little larger.

Like I said, I ran with Canon for years, and yet this menu seems foreign to me.
You can customize buttons and dials, but some are limited to only a few options.
Everyone hates the Sony menus, but there are so many ways to set up the buttons, you rarely have to use the menus.

So far, the M6II is a bit of a let down, but its way to early to write it off.
If we ever see a good sunny day, I'll try to get out with it.
The flight shots that I took turned out ok, but I was hoping for a better keeper rate. (which may come with more hours of use)
The photos I took at iso 1600 thought were a bit grainy, but that was under a overcast sky.

Wow, that got wordy didn't it.

Here's a photo make it better.
A busy background hides the grain at iso 1600.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49185196642_e5d116606a_h.jpg



Dec 08, 2019 at 06:44 PM
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davev wrote:

Thanks again. As for the comparison between the two cameras, this is how I see it.

I used Canon equipment for at least 15 years. Canon was cutting edge and a real joy to use.
As the years went on, I, like many others started to feel that Canon was purposely crippling the cameras.
That's not to say that great photos couldn't be made with they're equipment, but it seemed like the cameras
were made for one type of shooting, so multiple cameras were needed, unless you could afford the top of the line.
I couldn't.

So after years of micro adjusting lenses to the
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Thanks Dave for such a helpful reply. Regarding Sony, it encapsulates the signals that come out of the Sony forums if you struggle to find them. I’m happy with the ergonomics of the 90D and I really like the liveview, but I feel there is room for improvement with the DSLR AF. So, how do you find the AF for birds in flight in absolute terms and relative to Sony - you are in a fairly unique position to compare.



Dec 09, 2019 at 03:52 AM
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davev wrote:

Thanks again. As for the comparison between the two cameras, this is how I see it.

I used Canon equipment for at least 15 years. Canon was cutting edge and a real joy to use.
As the years went on, I, like many others started to feel that Canon was purposely crippling the cameras.
That's not to say that great photos couldn't be made with they're equipment, but it seemed like the cameras
were made for one type of shooting, so multiple cameras were needed, unless you could afford the top of the line.
I couldn't.

So after years of micro adjusting lenses to the
...Show more

Thanks for reporting; that image is still grainy IMHO, very much like my 80D at 1600 ISO (and a lot worse than most High ISO shots I see from Nikon D500).

Yes, sadly there is no affordable camera nowadays that can do it all especially if you need both fast AF and high pixel density (for reach). I would love getting rid of MFA woes by using ML camera instead of DSLR, and AF for action on the M6 II already seems better than on the 90D. But it isn't ready for real action, and neither is any other affordable ML camera. But it is promising that several recent ML cameras (like Nikon Z50 and Z6, Canon R, Canon M6 II) are doing pretty well for slower action shots like big birds. Will be interesting to see how close they can get to Sony A9 AF performance while still keeping the camera affordable ...



Dec 09, 2019 at 07:18 AM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Processing the M6II shouldn't be too hard at ISO 3200.

This is the M50 at 5000, here is the overall image.

Here is 2 runs of Noiseware across the frame, with 2 runs of USM, and some exposure shifts. No masking or anything.
l]


yes, here's ISO 4000 with the old Canon M5 mirrorless using "neat image" processing


Untitled by c w, on Flickr



Dec 09, 2019 at 07:44 AM
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technic wrote:
Thanks for reporting; that image is still grainy IMHO, very much like my 80D at 1600 ISO (and a lot worse than most High ISO shots I see from Nikon D500).

Yes, sadly there is no affordable camera nowadays that can do it all especially if you need both fast AF and high pixel density (for reach). I would love getting rid of MFA woes by using ML camera instead of DSLR, and AF for action on the M6 II already seems better than on the 90D. But it isn't ready for real action, and neither is any other affordable ML
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There is the wish for a camera that will undo the need for big lenses with large apertures, very much in line with the philosophy of m4/3. The 90D is essentially a large m4/3 sensor regarding pixel density. When using a slower and shorter focal length lens like the 100-400II, and use the "cropping power" to zoom in further, you are in fact shooting m4/3. I guess the Canon 90D was born from that wish, but I am not so sure a 32,5mp 1.6 crop sensor would or, for that matter, should make it into a 7DIII. I then would rather go m4/3.
The D500 seems a sweet spot, the 7DII already has higher pixel density over a 1.5x crop area, and I really doubt the practical gain for going higher up in pixel count.

My wish is a 7DIII with improved sensor, but still around 20mp, just with better DR, better color depth, and of course better high iso performance. Next to that, improved AF. The 90D and M6II have their place in the Canon line-up, but I seriously hope that a sensor like that does not mean that all future Canon bodies will be driven up in pixel density. Personally, after a short adventure with the 90D, I question the practical benefit of a theoretical advantage. Images are always resized, and a sensor of a given size always captures the same amount of light. How useful it is in the end to spread that light out over an ever increasing number of pixels, is not so evident to me. I now have the EOS-R, and personally greatly prefer it to the 90D in crop mode. I get around 4176 pixels with not much further cropping room, especially when wanting to print, but the images look better to me than those with the 90D, as long as I make sure my lens is long enough to not have to crop further (I use the 400DOII+2.0ex). I will not imply that it is better necessarily to go down in pixel density, and the EOS-R sensor is certainly a previous generation, but camera/lens should be viewed as a system. In the end only more light captured can really give better images, and that means brighter longer lenses. I still keep the 7DII btw. for fast action. The EOS-R is not there yet, and may never be with EF lenses on adapter. It will probably take RF designed lenses to get Sony like performance, but it should at least improve considerably with future bodies.



Dec 09, 2019 at 07:49 AM
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Images aren't always resized. The pixel density is there for a few reasons, primarily though for cropping and for detail capture. The future is indeed higher resolutions, since our viewing medium have gone up from 2K, to 4K to 8K, etc. You could have the best lens and the best lighting, but resolution matters independently of that. Some have said they can work with 8Mpx bodies, others need much, much more. Resolution does matter, and not all photographers do, or capture, or need the same things.

If you like cropping the EOS R to what you are now and like it, you are working with an equivalent 29Mpx crop body. Are you sure you want the 7D3 to be 20Mpx?



Dec 09, 2019 at 08:00 AM
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davev wrote:

M62, Sigma 150-600c from today.

The thing to get from a couple of these shots is, the camera focused through the junk.
For more info on the shots, click the link and go to my Flickr page.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49184499503_a0723785dd_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49184997286_5b76b32205_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49185196627_8a8d5f31f7_h.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49184498823_1c09de6965_b.jpg


nice bald eagle shots



Dec 09, 2019 at 08:07 AM
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TeamSpeed wrote:
Images aren't always resized. The pixel density is there for a few reasons, primarily though for cropping and for detail capture. The future is indeed higher resolutions, since our viewing medium have gone up from 2K, to 4K to 8K, etc. You could have the best lens and the best lighting, but resolution matters independently of that. Some have said they can work with 8Mpx bodies, others need much, much more. Resolution does matter, and not all photographers do, or capture, or need the same things.

If you like cropping the EOS R to what you are now and like it,
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It's true that images are nowadays not always resized. Mind you though, that most people I know use screens that are full HD, and only tablets and phones are commonly with higher pixel density. But even if we were to all go to 4k, 8k and no doubt, in future 16k, do images then need to be > 6000px because they will be visibly better? There is a turning point for a given format to begin with, at least according to Panasonic and Olympus: I read that their engineers see little benefit in going higher than 20mp for a 4/3 sensor, because it won't practically improve image quality any further. Apart from that, I have in the past been impressed with new sensor generations, such as the Sony 16mp APSC, or 36mp FF, but from what I have seen from e.g. the Fuji XT-3 with 26mp, or for that matter, the Canon 90D, I subjectively feel something is starting to get lost regarding IQ, and I find it hard to quantify. I still remember going from the 16mp Pentax K5IIS to the 24mp Pentax K3, and have never been convinced that the images from the K3 were better. More detailed yes, but somehow I still like the K5IIs images best, more dynamic and more alive. Photography remains a highly subjective matter, and in the same way I have been following the Sony A9 and Sony A7RIV threads, and have the same doubts about ever increasing pixel density. The A9 images look often more "alive" to me, and for that matter: more beautiful. I have the Sony A7RII myself (dual shooter with the Loxias for travel and landscape), and I simply don't like the images any better from the A7RIV, in the same way I was not convinced by the 90D images.

Each his own, I would say. It's good that there is the option for those who want to go super high resolution. I just hope that lower res cameras will also remain here to stay, and that all that processing power will go to AF improvement instead of handling large files.



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