And you are ahead of me but I may have more pull and ask them to bump me up like they did for a certain Nikon lens
Especially if I take a 400 and 600GM with my A9II.....
I'm sure demand for a $6K+ CDN camera won't be all that strong (even A7RIV is now readily available in stock)...we should both have our new toy in first batch....although maybe Santa gets to your house before mine
arbitrage wrote:
I'm sure demand for a $6K+ CDN camera won't be all that strong (even A7RIV is now readily available in stock)...we should both have our new toy in first batch....although maybe Santa gets to your house before mine
No one was expecting such high demand for the a7r iv - I've been traveling a lot recently and I can't tell you how many people I've run into with the A9. I think the performance of the recent alpha full frame cameras may make the a9ii a popular camera, but I'm just speculating.
I mentioned it before but at various birding sites locally here, the number of Sony users has increased dramatically after the introduction of the last 2 lenses, the G 200-600mm and GM 600mm. It is not uncommon to see 50% or so folks are shooting with Sony. I remembered one morning counting 6 Sony users out of 10. Nikon, especially Canon users have become the minority lately. That's at least the situation here in Southern California.
saxguy wrote:
No one was expecting such high demand for the a7r iv - I've been traveling a lot recently and I can't tell you how many people I've run into with the A9. I think the performance of the recent alpha full frame cameras may make the a9ii a popular camera, but I'm just speculating.
It is possible...also possible Sony overestimated A7RIV demand and will underestimate A9II demand and create a shortage.
All I can tell my American friends is avoid pre-orders from those two big online NY stores if you want to be safe. I can't believe people still bother with those stores for potentially popular pre-orders after seeing what has happened with them for D850, 500PF, A7III etc....
Colin F wrote:
Oh the crazy things people will believe. It's his reindeer that can fly, he's a pedestrian like the rest of us. Besides, they have to land somewhere.
So I'll have to look out for you laying tacks on my roof now?
LBJ2 wrote:
How do we know the A7rIV is in high demand? I've been wondering about that myself. As usual I'm the only kid on my block with the lastest Sony camera.
I actually don't think it was in high demand. Or at least supply was able to meet demand. I already have seen many retailers (including one in my city) where the camera is just sitting in stock ready to buy.
The A7RIV was a curiosity as I can't recall anyone even talking about it or wishing for it before the surprise announcement. Compared to the A7SIII or even A9II, the A7RIV came out of nowhere.
I am also thinking not too many are very certain about the value of 61MPs on FF camera compared to 42MPs. Maybe taking a wait and see approach. So I would be surprised if the A7rIV is a top seller. OTOH, some reviewers have been saying the A7rIV is to them a true replacement option to their DSLRs which may drive sales too. 🤷🏻♂️Very interested to see where this goes.
Like others are posting, I do see more and more Sony cameras all over the resorts down here now.
AGeoJO wrote:
I mentioned it before but at various birding sites locally here, the number of Sony users has increased dramatically after the introduction of the last 2 lenses, the G 200-600mm and GM 600mm. It is not uncommon to see 50% or so folks are shooting with Sony. I remembered one morning counting 6 Sony users out of 10. Nikon, especially Canon users have become the minority lately. That's at least the situation here in Southern California.
I remember a number of years ago reading an interview with the president of Sony's camera division in which he said that Sony was not merely going to be one of the top three camera makers but the leading camera maker. This was at about the time of the a6000, and I remember thinking that his ambition was very unlikely to be fulfilled and was in fact a bit preposterous. Presto Chango--I think it is clear that Sony is now well on the way to being the dominant maker of sophisticated imaging devices for photographers and others.
AGeoJO wrote:
I mentioned it before but at various birding sites locally here, the number of Sony users has increased dramatically after the introduction of the last 2 lenses, the G 200-600mm and GM 600mm. It is not uncommon to see 50% or so folks are shooting with Sony. I remembered one morning counting 6 Sony users out of 10. Nikon, especially Canon users have become the minority lately. That's at least the situation here in Southern California.
Not my experience here. I see a few Sony’s, but the majority are still Canon and Nikon shooters, about evenly divided. Still a change. A year ago Sony was even more rare.
johnvanr wrote:
Not my experience here. I see a few Sony’s, but the majority are still Canon and Nikon shooters, about evenly divided. Still a change. A year ago Sony was even more rare.
I understand that it may vary depending on the region. I believe that Southern California is in the forefront of the change. The folks here are more eager to adapt to something new relative to the folks in your area. I was surprised at the large number of Sony users at the Sony event last June here in LA. FYI, some Nikon and Canon users that I talked to at those sites have both their respective gear AND Sony gear as well or are very interested in switching and asking a bunch of questions.
Well, from time to time, there is a guy that uses his Oly in the mix.... @bobbytan
Sony is slowly increasing in my area. I also know some dual/triple system shooters
I also know some that are very close to moving over. One waiting to see what 1DXIII brings vs A9II.
I think once the D6 and 1DXIII are announced people will have a very clear picture of the next 4 years and make their decisions. I predict a lot more Sony bird/wildlife shooters now that 400/600GM and the 200-600/100-400 are available. If they also release the patented 500GM it will open the floodgates even more.
AGeoJO wrote:
I understand that it may vary depending on the region. I believe that Southern California is in the forefront of the change. The folks here are more eager to adapt to something new relative to the folks in your area. I was surprised at the large number of Sony users at the Sony event last June here in LA. FYI, some Nikon and Canon users that I talked to at those sites have both their respective gear AND Sony gear as well or are very interested in switching and asking a bunch of questions.
Well, from time to time, there is a guy that uses his Oly in the mix.... @bobbytan@ ...Show more →
Yeah, that guy is weird, what with his Olympus...
Like Bobby, I also use Olympus (but unlike him, I also use other brands) and others generally ignore it, but are amazed when I tell them my little setup is 1200mm or can capture that falcon at takeoff because of pro-capture. Problem is I found my 300mm is not critically sharp at longer distances so it's on its way to Olympus right now.
It depends a bit where I go, but I never see other Olympus shooters (except the odd one at Conowingo, where there's a real crowd) and a majority of shooters seem to have the Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm lenses. The guys with the big glass shoot Nikon or Canon. I've seen the Sony 200-600mm pop up a few times now.
I'm in the middle of all this: I've retired my big Canon glass and 1DX, I'm using the Nikon 500PF and I'm waiting for both my Olympus to come back from repair and for my Sony 200-600mm to come in to try on an A9.
Luckily I had my Nikon kit with me yesterday, when I found myself in the company of not one but two retired Nikon employees
johnvanr wrote:
Yeah, that guy is weird, what with his Olympus...
Like Bobby, I also use Olympus (but unlike him, I also use other brands) and others generally ignore it, but are amazed when I tell them my little setup is 1200mm or can capture that falcon at takeoff because of pro-capture. Problem is I found my 300mm is not critically sharp at longer distances so it's on its way to Olympus right now.
It depends a bit where I go, but I never see other Olympus shooters (except the odd one at Conowingo, where there's a real crowd) and a majority of shooters seem to have the Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm lenses. The guys with the big glass shoot Nikon or Canon. I've seen the Sony 200-600mm pop up a few times now.
I'm in the middle of all this: I've retired my big Canon glass and 1DX, I'm using the Nikon 500PF and I'm waiting for both my Olympus to come back from repair and for my Sony 200-600mm to come in to try on an A9.
Luckily I had my Nikon kit with me yesterday, when I found myself in the company of not one but two retired Nikon employees ...Show more →
Yes, him being there out of 10 people definitely threw off the percentage .
You brought up Tamron and Sigma 150-600mm users and that's the market segment Sony is targeting with the G 200-600mm. They know that the majority of the weekend bird shooters use either of those lenses and some of them as a leftover from the Canon days with an adapter. They priced that lens just slightly more than those and those folks can sell the adapter and get the native AF performance. That's an enormous deal! The native AF performance makes a huge difference.
Two or 3 years ago, I tried Nikon D500 and a 200-500mm lens for my birding while I used Sony for the rest. It wasn't what I was looking for AF-wise. I sold both after a month of trying. Earlier this year, I bought a Nikon 500mm PF lens and a D850. I thought I would try a body with a native lens for a change since I was adapting a lens with mixed results. While the lens is great and light but I don't think I could go back to a DSLR again. I sold that lens to Fred Amico, another shooting buddy and he is happy with it on his D500. I kept on using both Canon 600mm f/4 Mark II and 400mm f/4 DO Mark II on my A9 for birding. I pre-ordered both the G 200-600mm and GM 600mm and after I received both Sony lenses, I sold both Canon lenses.
I am not sure whether you already sold your long Canon lenses or not but their prices have tanked lately. I am sure it is in direct relation to the Sony's acceptance among bird/wildlife shooters after those 2 long lenses became available.
