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couple more @1200mm
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Shalu, these 1200mm shots are simply amazing, I come from Nikon land and always hesitant to use 2X TC but after seeing the results from you and Joshua, I should try more often. Great work, especially keeping them in focus at 1200mm shows your skill.



Aug 27, 2019 at 08:17 AM
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Hi Chris, optically, for sure it is up there. What I believe is important here and this lens offers that, is the AF performance. I used Canon lenses prior to this. Both Canon EF 400mm f/2.8 Mark II and EF 600mm f/4 Mark II are optically superb lenses and in that aspect, they delivered plentifully. As matter of fact, I compared images in my library, of course, the shooting conditions were not the same, and the images taken with either of those lenses are impressive as well. Maybe, and that MAYBE, Canon’s sensor technology and AF performance are behind those
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Hi Joshua, I hope Canon catches up with Sony on the sensor front, because my main lens is now the Canon 400DOII. The weight and size were important to me, as I mainly cycle and hike when using the lens. Still, I can't deny that in future, I hope be able to afford a 600mm f4, to me these 600mm f4 images are in a world of their own. I used the Sigma 500mm f4.5 in the past, and could get over the weight, but the size.... So if Canon, Nikon or Sony come up with a high quality 600mm f5.6 in future, I'll pre-order!

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Aug 27, 2019 at 08:27 AM
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Joshua, incredible stuff. I have not used the 2x at all, as even with the 1.4x I get a lot of vignetting with the 100-400. However, I believe the Sony TCs are sharper than the ones from Canon, as well as being lighter and smaller.

So, with a good tripod, it should work very well, especially for shots of the moon!

I think you could print that owl picture quite large without any difficulty, it is that sharp.

Pradeep


Thank you very much, Pradeep! Alex used his stacked TCs (1.4X plus 2X) with his GM on a monopod and the resulting image is great. Indeed, I feel more comfortable using a tripod at my age .



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Love it, the action, lighting and colors are simply beautiful. bout the hand holding, especially with Bald Eagle action, tripod and monopod is too constraining. Always used the tripod with gimbal and manage to lose many great shots so this year with Sony combo the weight is reduced from 11+ lbs to 7+ lbs and also very balanced, so decided to go handhold. Practice it on Sunday, wasn't bad to hold it for good minute plus but it does get harder when the eagle chase is going on or they miss the first try to catch fish and try again.
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Thank you very much, Mukesh! I saw the picture of you on FB; you are a young guy. You are right about getting more peak actions while handholding the gear.

Again, I manage to handhold the 600mm by itself (plus camera, of course ) for a short period of maybe 10-20 seconds. In itself, not bad since the sequential shots normally do not last that long but waiting for the action to take place can be longer into a few minutes. I do have a stock shoulder with pistols grip that I will try out this coming weekend. Plus, I will be using a small Dot Sight to be able to track better since looking through the viewfinder gets you a very narrow view and in the case of owls, I tend to loose the peak action more often than not. I will update on how the combo works here next weekend.

@shalu, your action images at 1200 are jaw-dropping.


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I saw the owl took off and flew towards me at full speed, while I had it my viewfinder, last Sunday. I did a sequential burst and it was over in a fraction of a second. While there, I viewed the images in my viewfinder and I got 5 images at 10FPS. The first 3 frames showed the owl to be within my frame, the next one showed the owl’s wing to be clipped and the last one only the head was there at the bottom of the frame.

When I viewed the images at home, I was disappointed that the first frame was ever so slightly out of focus. The body was in perfect focus but the eyes were slightly blurred. I had my A9 on Zone AF with tracking and the double-lined rectangular was on the owl. But I was pleased to see that the next 3 frames were in perfect focus, including the one with clipped wings. The last one where the owl’s head was showing at the bottom was blurry. So, it seems that the first frame was the result of my slightly delayed reaction (I blame myself for that ) and after that the camera/lens didn’t have any problems tracking a fast flying owl towards me at full speed. And considering the fairly close distance for that particular instance, I am impressed and pleased with the result. The action was over in 0.5 second.

Here is the second frame of that sequence that was cropped a little more for composition. This is the largest magnification I have taken of an owl up to this point. Based on the minimal crop, the details are there. I am glad that I “only” had the bare lens with me at that time. Somehow, I felt like freezing more motion and minimizing the sharpness that way. Still, at 1/4000s the wing tips of the owl are blurry, but I am not only fine with that but it implies movement adding dynamic to the image.



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Aug 27, 2019 at 09:03 AM
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Hi Joshua, I hope Canon catches up with Sony on the sensor front, because my main lens is now the Canon 400DOII. The weight and size were important to me, as I mainly cycle and hike when using the lens. Still, I can't deny that in future, I hope be able to afford a 600mm f4, to me these 600mm f4 images are in a world of their own. I used the Sigma 500mm f4.5 in the past, and could get over the weight, but the size.... So if Canon, Nikon or Sony come up with a high quality 600mm
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Hi Chris, as you know, Sony introduced another lens at the same time with the GM 600mm, the G 200-600mm f/5.6-f/6.3. That lens is superb optically as well, fairly lightweight and more compact than the GM 600mm lens. More importantly, it is priced competitively, making it more affordable. It is so well received that it is sold out everywhere now in the US. If you use a 1.4X TC on your DO Mark II lens, then the DO lens looses its advantage. Although longish compared to the DO, that zoom lens offers an internal zooming mechanism and handling-wise it is similar to that of the DO. I hope Geoff @arbitrage will chime in here about the comparison handling of the two lenses. I do have the same DO lens, my last Canon lens as I will ship my EF 600mm f/4 Mark II lens to the new owner today. So, the DO lens is next to be chopped....

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Aug 27, 2019 at 09:20 AM
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Thank you very much, Pradeep! Alex used his stacked TCs (1.4X plus 2X) with his GM on a monopod and the resulting image is great. Indeed, I feel more comfortable using a tripod at my age .


Thank you very much, Mukesh! I saw the picture of you on FB; you are a young guy. You are right about getting more peak actions while handholding the gear.

Again, I manage to handhold the 600mm by itself (plus camera, of course ) for a short period of maybe 10-20 seconds. In itself, not bad since the sequential shots normally do not
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Hi Joshua,

Very nice. As a further update regarding the small Sony RM-SPR1 wired remote that I posted about in the 200-600mm technical thread, the remote comes with a small item so that you can roll up the unused wire. I have wound this fairly tightly so that there is very little extra wire not being used for connecting the remote itself held by the 3/4" sticky back velcro and the micro USB connector plugged into the camera.

I strongly suggest that you order this small remote and the sticky back velcro today so that you can apply it and use it this weekend. You will just need to figure out where to place the remote (on its side) even if it is on/over the trigger of the Bushhawk. I suspect that you should be able to hold the 200-600mm G lens as well as the 600mm GM lens even if it is for a short time. My Leitz 14239 Pistol Grip and shoulder stock is quite rigid when properly adjusted. I would suspect that your Bushhawk should be rigid enough.

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Aug 27, 2019 at 09:21 AM
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Hi Chris, as you know, Sony introduced another lens at the same time with the GM 600mm, the G 200-600mm f/5.6-f/6.3. That lens is superb optically as well, fairly lightweight and more compact than the GM 600mm lens. More importantly, it is priced competitively, making it more affordable. It is so well received that it is sold out everywhere now in the US. If you use a 1.4X TC on your DO Mark II lens, then the DO lens looses its advantage. Although longish compared to the DO, that zoom lens offers an internal zooming mechanism and handling-wise it is
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Yes, the 200-600 Sony lens looks like a great option. It was not there yet when I went for the 400DOII, but had it been, I am almost sure that I would have gone all Sony. But now having the 400DOII and 7DII, there are a few things that hold me back from putting the Canon gear up for sale:

-The 400DOII is f5.6 vs. f6.3 for the Sony 200-600. It may not seem much, but even f5.6 seems already on the edge unless in full bright daylight, especially when adding a 1.4TC. You of course have the 600GM f4 for occassions where the light is less than ideal, but when the 200-600 is all that you've got... I don't believe it to be 600mm b.t.w. as comparisons with the 600GM indicate, more around 570mm? On the other hand, I am not sure what the true focal length of the Canon 400DOII is either.
-IS is superb on the 400DOII, really amazing. I came from a Pentax DA560mm f5.6 on a K3II body, and the IS on the Canon with 1.4TC (also 560mm) is simply superb. If you only shoot handheld as I do, that counts a lot.
-AF is really fast, über fast, on the 400DOII. If Canon makes a 7DIII with really good AF, it will surely leave the Sony 200-600 in the dust AF wise I assume?
-Sony has NO decent APS-C body for birders. Why, and will they ever have? The A6500 makes me shiver... I have the Sony A7RII b.t.w. with the Loxia lenses for all general shooting and love it.
-Canon still offers the possibility of an OVF. Although I really appreciate EVF technology, and sensor based AF accuracy, it is still nice to sometimes have the possibility of a good OVF

I may add a Sony 200-600 in future though, especially when Canon fails to deliver a 7DIII, but the 400DOII is not an easy lens to part with.

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AGeoJO wrote:
Thank you very much, Pradeep! Alex used his stacked TCs (1.4X plus 2X) with his GM on a monopod and the resulting image is great. Indeed, I feel more comfortable using a tripod at my age .


Thank you very much, Mukesh! I saw the picture of you on FB; you are a young guy. You are right about getting more peak actions while handholding the gear.

Again, I manage to handhold the 600mm by itself (plus camera, of course ) for a short period of maybe 10-20 seconds. In itself, not bad since the sequential shots normally do not
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That owl is simply stunning. Amazing.



Aug 27, 2019 at 01:02 PM
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Yes, the 200-600 Sony lens looks like a great option. It was not there yet when I went for the 400DOII, but had it been, I am almost sure that I would have gone all Sony. But now having the 400DOII and 7DII, there are a few things that hold me back from putting the Canon gear up for sale:

-The 400DOII is f5.6 vs. f6.3 for the Sony 200-600. It may not seem much, but even f5.6 seems already on the edge unless in full bright daylight, especially when adding a 1.4TC. You of course have the 600GM f4 for
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-The 400DOII is f5.6 vs. f6.3 for the Sony 200-600. It may not seem much, but even f5.6 seems already on the edge unless in full bright daylight, especially when adding a 1.4TC. You of course have the 600GM f4 for occassions where the light is less than ideal, but when the 200-600 is all that you've got... I don't believe it to be 600mm b.t.w. as comparisons with the 600GM indicate, more around 570mm? On the other hand, I am not sure what the true focal length of the Canon 400DOII is either.
If the 1/3 stop matters then it matters, I agree it doesn't take much to make f/5.6 challenge the ISO and SS for BIF. For perched birds I find it fine in cloudy conditions. Yes the real focal length of the 200-600 is essentially equal to the 560mm of the 400DOII/1.4TC in my testing of an average distance to bird...maybe gets slightly better at infinity? You aren't gaining the 40mm of focal length, not that 40mm is much anyways at super-tele levels

-IS is superb on the 400DOII, really amazing. I came from a Pentax DA560mm f5.6 on a K3II body, and the IS on the Canon with 1.4TC (also 560mm) is simply superb. If you only shoot handheld as I do, that counts a lot.
Yes Canon IS is excellent, but the combination of IBIS and lens OSS is even better.

-AF is really fast, über fast, on the 400DOII. If Canon makes a 7DIII with really good AF, it will surely leave the Sony 200-600 in the dust AF wise I assume?
7D2 and 400DOII is very quick AF. But the 200-600 on A9 is much better AF consistency and the tracking modes blow away anything Canon offers for really fast/erratic BIF. I shot ducks in flight with 7D2/400DOII back to back with A9/100-400GM and the Sony resulted in a lot more sharp images to cull through for the best wing position. Will a 7D3 all of a sudden rival the A9?....Who knows but I would seriously doubt it.

-Sony has NO decent APS-C body for birders. Why, and will they ever have? The A6500 makes me shiver... I have the Sony A7RII b.t.w. with the Loxia lenses for all general shooting and love it.
Very true, my one holdback with Sony is I'm really only happy with the A9's EVF experience and therefore I lack pixel density compared to a 7D2 or D500/850

-Canon still offers the possibility of an OVF. Although I really appreciate EVF technology, and sensor based AF accuracy, it is still nice to sometimes have the possibility of a good OVF
Yes, OVF's still have a place for me also, there are only a few things I prefer with the EVF (Histogram/WYSISYG, blackout free and using the flip screen with full functioning AF for low down shots). But I find the EVF adds eye stress, is too contrasty and of course wastes battery if you stare through it waiting for action to happen.

I may add a Sony 200-600 in future though, especially when Canon fails to deliver a 7DIII, but the 400DOII is not an easy lens to part with.



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Few more shots from last weekend.

















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Hi Joshua,

Very nice. As a further update regarding the small Sony RM-SPR1 wired remote that I posted about in the 200-600mm technical thread, the remote comes with a small item so that you can roll up the unused wire. I have wound this fairly tightly so that there is very little extra wire not being used for connecting the remote itself held by the 3/4" sticky back velcro and the micro USB connector plugged into the camera.

I strongly suggest that you order this small remote and the sticky back velcro today so that you can apply it and use
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Hi Rich, I played with the adjustment of the BushHawk and I got to a point that feel really comfortable holding the pistol grip with my left hand while using the right hand to focus and yes, to trigger the shutter. I could actually remove the trigger of the BushHawk and jury-rig a Sony wired trigger instead but I am not sure how steady that would be out in the field. Plus, if I do that, it would be the only way of doing it. I am still thinking out loud of getting the wiring of that cable modified to make it to work as BushHawk intended. The pistol grip with the shutter at the index finger is so comfortable that I am not willing to give that up..... yet. I will see first how well the handling with the left hand first before doing anything else. I still can do it fairly easily if it doesn’t work. Now, if I could get another copy of the BushHawk it would be different.... ,

Thank you for the tip though. And I hope your setup works well. Update us on that, would you?

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ke3vg wrote:
Few more shots from last weekend.


Mukesh, I bet you anything that you handheld the first shot! Shooting overhead like that on a tripod or monopod is virtually impossible. The last two can be either handheld, on a tripod or monopod. Great images with excellent feather details the way we like’m.



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Hi Rich, I played with the adjustment of the BushHawk and I got to a point that feel really comfortable holding the pistol grip with my left hand while using the right hand to focus and yes, to trigger the shutter. I could actually remove the trigger of the BushHawk and jury-rig a Sony wired trigger instead but I am not sure how steady that would be out in the field. Plus, if I do that, it would be the only way of doing it. I am still thinking out loud of getting the wiring of that cable modified to
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Hi Joshua,

OK on that. In the case of the Leitz 14239 grip there is a flat surface right below my Wimberley Arca Swiss Type QR clamp which can be seen in the following images, so that it is easy to mount the small Sony RM-SPR1 wired remote with the sticky back velcro. I run the remote side ways with the cord coming from the left because it then runs to connect the micro usb port intput into the camera. With the Sony RM-SPR1 wired remote in this position and orientation I can easily hold the grip and my right index finger can easily access, sit on, and push the shutter release. See the 2 uploaded images.

Below is a borrowed image of the grip in a different configuration as a table top tripod:

https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/FYwAAOSw-0xYldUa/$/LEITZ-Leica-SCHULTER-STATIV-14239-Bodenstativ-SCHULTERSTUTZE-multifunktional-_57.jpg

By the way, the reason that I am using the old Wimberley Arca Swiss Type QR clamp is that if you look at the above image there is a pin in the top of the grip. The pin fits in the groove of the bottom of the Wimberley QR clamp that prevents its rotation and is absent from newer clamps.

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After today, it is clear that Sony won't offer a fitting APS-C camera to go with the 200-600 in the near future, if at all.
That would only leave the A7RIV as a fitting body to replace the 400DOII with Canon 7DII. But that is a 4000,- euro camera, and my A7RII won't fetch more than 1000,- max. if I sell it. It's not an easy switch, and a better option for now to stick with Canon, especially with their new 32mp APS-C sensor. I have the feeling the 400DOII +1.4TC will be a match for that sensor, although the current 90D body is not appealing, so a wait again for a higher placed Canon APS-C, dslr or mirrorless....

arbitrage wrote:
-The 400DOII is f5.6 vs. f6.3 for the Sony 200-600. It may not seem much, but even f5.6 seems already on the edge unless in full bright daylight, especially when adding a 1.4TC. You of course have the 600GM f4 for occassions where the light is less than ideal, but when the 200-600 is all that you've got... I don't believe it to be 600mm b.t.w. as comparisons with the 600GM indicate, more around 570mm? On the other hand, I am not sure what the true focal length of the Canon 400DOII is either.
If the 1/3 stop matters then

-IS is superb on the 400DOII, really amazing. I came from a Pentax DA560mm f5.6 on a K3II body, and the IS on the Canon with 1.4TC (also 560mm) is simply superb. If you only shoot handheld as I do, that counts a lot.
Yes Canon IS is excellent, but the combination of IBIS and lens OSS is even better.

-AF is really fast, über fast, on the 400DOII. If Canon makes a 7DIII with really good AF, it will surely leave the Sony 200-600 in the dust AF wise I assume?
7D2 and 400DOII is very quick AF. But the 200-600 on A9 is much better AF consistency and the tracking modes blow away anything Canon offers for really fast/erratic BIF. I shot ducks in flight with 7D2/400DOII back to back with A9/100-400GM and the Sony resulted in a lot more sharp images to cull through for the best wing position. Will a 7D3 all of a sudden rival the A9?....Who knows but I would seriously doubt it.

-Sony has NO decent APS-C body for birders. Why, and will they ever have? The A6500 makes me shiver... I have the Sony A7RII b.t.w. with the Loxia lenses for all general shooting and love it.
Very true, my one holdback with Sony is I'm really only happy with the A9's EVF experience and therefore I lack pixel density compared to a 7D2 or D500/850

-Canon still offers the possibility of an OVF. Although I really appreciate EVF technology, and sensor based AF accuracy, it is still nice to sometimes have the possibility of a good OVF
Yes, OVF's still have a place for me also, there are only a few things I prefer with the EVF (Histogram/WYSISYG, blackout free and using the flip screen with full functioning AF for low down shots). But I find the EVF adds eye stress, is too contrasty and of course wastes battery if you stare through it waiting for action to happen.

I may add a Sony 200-600 in future though, especially when Canon fails to deliver a 7DIII, but the 400DOII is not an easy lens to part with.
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Dragonfly action @1200mm. Cropped to about 5MP.
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@shalu, I have never seen so many great shots at 1200mm with the degree of difficulty that you’re posting! And you are just nailing them! Fantastic work! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽


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My intention was mostly to capture inflight shots, which I did but I got the opportunity to capture this burrowing owl that just captured a green June bug and it landed some 15-16 feet or from my position. These are pretty much frame filling images of the owl devouring its prey. At close to the minimum focusing distance, the DOF is shallow. I took some 40+ images but here are 3 of them...




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Wonderful work Joshua! That sequence remaining razor sharp throughout says a great deal about the lens and your technique with it.


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Wonderful work Joshua! That sequence remaining razor sharp throughout says a great deal about the lens and your technique with it.


Thank you very much, Jim! To be honest, I had my share of images, where the focus didn't quite fall on the most crucial areas.



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Here is another owl that flew at my direction at full speed but ended up flying to my left...



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Incredible, Joshua!

Too much boat traffic this afternoon so this guy decided to find a good vantage point to watch from.







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Joshua, man you are knocking them out of the park here!

Just started trying out the new lens. Here are some quick test shots in the backyard, nothing fancy. All taken with the rig on the tripod, too impatient to handhold, plus wanted to test without having lens shake etc.

Tried to crop the images to match the final size on screen. The 1200 mm images are uncropped, the others cropped to match the 1200mm fov. Tested with bare 600, then with the 1.4x TC then with the 2x TC. Was not able to do much as the light was low.

To my mind, seems like the lens does just as well with the TCs as it does without, which is absolutely mind-blowing. Never saw this with my Canon 600 MkII and the Canon TCs. Truly incredible. I think Sony has a home run here.

What is equally amazing is that while I was focusing on the face, the camera used eye-AF even though it is a sculpture.

More to follow.......

Pradeep






ILCE a9, 600 f4GM (bare), 1/1600, f4 ISO 640






ILCE a9, 600f4 GM, plus 1.4X TC at 840mm, f5.6, 1/800, ISO 640






ILCE a9, 600f4GM, plus 2x TC at 1200mm, f8, 1/400, ISO 640




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