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p.1 #1 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Loving this combo more and more every day. Just waiting for a firmware update one day to fix it's quirkyness

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May 31, 2019 at 03:20 PM
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p.1 #2 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Quirks related to the 75 SL, or in general??


May 31, 2019 at 08:25 PM
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p.1 #3 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Quirks related to the S1R/S1 like the inconsistency in eye af without changing anything.


Jun 01, 2019 at 10:07 AM
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p.1 #4 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


This combo made me a believer of Leica L mount lenses. I’m a big M Mount fan already, but awesome to finally shoot Leica lenses at 47mp. Only semi issue is the S1R focusing, it’s a little sketchy indoors. Just kind of spoiled with an A7r3 and eye-AF. Many times the Panny will barely track (shown via an outline with a green square) a subject’s head, while the Sony will pick out and hold an eye in the exact same situation. The IQ is worth it tho, can’t wait for the SL2.

A Leica rep told me the SL2 will have a similar sensor but re-made, thus the L Mount Leica lenses may shine even brighter on it. Also check out Sean Reid’s site Reid Reviews, his tests show the latest gen of M lenses (28 Lux, 28/2.8 Elmarit, 75 APO as performing better in some regards on the SL than M10; thus the SL2 may utilize M lenses better than any camera we’ve ever seen. Very exciting.

Also check out the 35 APO, truly an awesome piece of glass. I only used on it an SL, but still blown away.




















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Jun 04, 2019 at 07:22 PM
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p.1 #5 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Donzo98 wrote:
Quirks related to the 75 SL, or in general??


In general there’s a good deal of jittery hunting in AF-c, also eye af is kind of weak compared to Sony.



Jun 04, 2019 at 07:29 PM
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p.1 #6 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


I've just spent three weeks travelling with my S1R and SL lenses. I tried the CAF and detection a few times and was mostly disappointed. Sometimes it worked but even then what you see through the viewfinder is just weird. Face and animal detect was OK but not spectacular. I don't use it a lot but my A7R3 is vastly better and I can step up again to the A9.

OTOH, for how I normally shoot the single AF is very very good indeed and the IQ with the SL lenses is spectacular, beating the A7R3 and GM lenses I have. I had no issues with single shot AF, even in low light. Focusing is faster and better than the SL by some margin. Love the IBIS, viewfinder and even the controls work really well. I have the zooms, 50 and 90. All are just wow on the S1R. I'd be really tempted by the SL50 f2 as a lighter travel lens when it arrives.

As I mostly shoot single AF, I'll be getting out of Sony. Once you add up the GM lenses there's not enough weight/size difference to justify keeping it. If I shot a lot of action stuff it would be different. I've travelled with the Sony A7R3 and although the IQ is great, I find the system frustrating to use and quite cramped/uncomfortable to hold. Although heavier the S1R and SL lenses are a joy to use compared to the Sony.

It's a big kit to carry, especially when you break a couple of ribs two days before getting on the plane. And it's going to be an expensive fix for the SL 16-35 I dropped......

Gordon



Jun 04, 2019 at 08:24 PM
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p.1 #7 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


flash wrote:
I've just spent three weeks travelling with my S1R and SL lenses. I tried the CAF and detection a few times and was mostly disappointed. Sometimes it worked but even then what you see through the viewfinder is just weird. Face and animal detect was OK but not spectacular. I don't use it a lot but my A7R3 is vastly better and I can step up again to the A9.

OTOH, for how I normally shoot the single AF is very very good indeed and the IQ with the SL lenses is spectacular, beating the A7R3 and GM lenses I have.
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That’s a good way to put it: that the view through the EVF is just weird on the Panasonic with AFC. The size of the Sony with the GMs (except the 24 GM) is def comparable to the S1r. But also you can use some really great lenses native to the Sony that are much much smaller than L Mount , e.g. the 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 24GM, 28-75 Tamron, the 25mm and 21mm Loxia’s which are incredible, and even the Batis 40, 25, and 18. Sony made a great move taking Zeiss along for the lens design to start the Full frame E Mount, though now, the GM line is as good as maybe anything out there (135GM and 24GM). As more 3rd parties serve the L Mount, hopefully it’ll have some smaller lenses too

As the L Mount catalog matures, and the SL2 is released, it’s going to be hard to resist switching to the L Mount. If the 28 APO is anything like the 35 APO, that alone would be motivation enough for me to switch over.




Jun 04, 2019 at 08:58 PM
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p.1 #8 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


flash wrote:
I've just spent three weeks travelling with my S1R and SL lenses. I tried the CAF and detection a few times and was mostly disappointed. Sometimes it worked but even then what you see through the viewfinder is just weird. Face and animal detect was OK but not spectacular. I don't use it a lot but my A7R3 is vastly better and I can step up again to the A9.

OTOH, for how I normally shoot the single AF is very very good indeed and the IQ with the SL lenses is spectacular, beating the A7R3 and GM lenses I have.
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The only thing I saw was this "And it's going to be an expensive fix for the SL 16-35 I dropped......"

Oh man... sorry to read this.

Hope it's not too bad.




Jun 04, 2019 at 09:22 PM
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p.1 #9 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Should be getting the 35 1.4 ZM tomorrow. Will see how that works out on the S1R.


Jun 05, 2019 at 12:45 AM
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p.1 #10 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


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That’s a good way to put it: that the view through the EVF is just weird on the Panasonic with AFC. The size of the Sony with the GMs (except the 24 GM) is def comparable to the S1r. But also you can use some really great lenses native to the Sony that are much much smaller than L Mount , e.g. the 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 24GM, 28-75 Tamron, the 25mm and 21mm Loxia’s which are incredible, and even the Batis 40, 25, and 18. Sony made a great move taking Zeiss along for the lens design to start the Full
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I have some of the lenses you mentioned and a few of the GM ones. Something like the 55mm is a great travel lens and works well on the body. The issue I have is that any of the GM zooms and fast primes suck handling wise. Absolutely suck. I've got far more wrist pain from a A7R3 with the FE50mm 1.4 than the S1R and Leica 50mm, even though the PanaLeica combo is double the weight. As good as the AF of the A7R3 and A9 are I just don't want to pick them up. And as good as the GM lenses are the SL glass is in another league. The difference are subtle but once you've seen them it's hard not to choose the SL glass. I on't have the 35APO but the 90 knock my socks off every time I use it.

Handling and balance are my number one influence on what cameras I like, after lenses. Resolution, DR, AF mean little if i don't like a camera. On my trip I had a choice between the A7R3/A9, Z7 and S1R. Although the biggest I took the S1R and didn't regret that choice for a second. It's a beast but the usability, handling, balance and EVF are second to none, except the SL and the shutter is damn nice as well. I've just started looking at the files from my trip but so far they're looking really, really good. As good as the A7R3, from my preliminary findings. Maybe a touch more noise at mid ISO's but the IBIS meant I was shooting lower than I would on the Sony. The nature of this trip meant almost everything was handheld.

I'm hoping Panasonic will tweak the system with firmware updates, and I have yet to put the new firmware in my Z7. Thankfully I don't *need* anything other than great SAF and the S1R does fine there. I would like to see the eye/face/animal AF work, in single AF. It's a cool feature when it grabbed a target. I just don't trust it yet, although I am still learning how to best use it.

I really think Sony needs an A9 body the size of the S1R and with the Sony tech, full weather sealing and better buttons. That would really do some damage to the Canikon DSLR market. For now, after the X1D, the S1R is my favourite handling, high resolution camera.

Gordon



Jun 05, 2019 at 03:47 PM
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p.1 #11 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


flash wrote:
I have some of the lenses you mentioned and a few of the GM ones. Something like the 55mm is a great travel lens and works well on the body. The issue I have is that any of the GM zooms and fast primes suck handling wise. Absolutely suck. I've got far more wrist pain from a A7R3 with the FE50mm 1.4 than the S1R and Leica 50mm, even though the PanaLeica combo is double the weight. As good as the AF of the A7R3 and A9 are I just don't want to pick them up. And as good as
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Very well thought out post.

I agree with you... the SL glass is OFF THE CHARTS... best lenses by far that I have ever used.

I am tempted by the S1R. My current combo of the Q2 plus SL is working quite nicely.

Q2 for most things.... and SL for creative stuff. I love the 0.95 Nocti on the SL. Also have the 16-35, 50 and 75 SL lenses. So. so good

Looking forward to see what the SL2 will bring.




Jun 05, 2019 at 03:56 PM
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p.1 #12 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


flash wrote:
Handling and balance are my number one influence on what cameras I like, after lenses. Resolution, DR, AF mean little if i don't like a camera.


Same here. I agree with you handling and ergonomics are number 1 these days for me as well. (given rest about the same or good enough) Not knocking down any brand but you just need pick one fit you the best. For some, it is leica or Panasonic for others could be Sony or Canon, Nikon.

I think Panasonic desperately need some f1.8 and f2 glasses like Nikon did. (Sigma's size turn me off. )Or f1.0 f1.2 statement glass like Canon did. (Though, mount size wise, L mount combine with flange distance will have about the same capability in designing fast glass as E mount, means not as free as Canon or Nikon)

I know Summicron L are great but they are very expensive with no aperture or real focus ring and not that small either. Given Nikon Z 35/50 1.8S performance, size and price, I wish Panasonic can do the same thing.



Jun 05, 2019 at 04:56 PM
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p.1 #13 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


flash wrote:
I have some of the lenses you mentioned and a few of the GM ones. Something like the 55mm is a great travel lens and works well on the body. The issue I have is that any of the GM zooms and fast primes suck handling wise. Absolutely suck. I've got far more wrist pain from a A7R3 with the FE50mm 1.4 than the S1R and Leica 50mm, even though the PanaLeica combo is double the weight. As good as the AF of the A7R3 and A9 are I just don't want to pick them up. And as good as
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No question about handling and that huge, sharp as hell EVF. It feels like it’s from the future. Makes me look like a real photographer lol!



Jun 05, 2019 at 07:18 PM
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p.1 #14 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


One more from today in the London Tube.

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Jun 21, 2019 at 03:38 PM
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p.1 #15 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


NRKStudio wrote:
No question about handling and that huge, sharp as hell EVF. It feels like it’s from the future. Makes me look like a real photographer lol!


The S1r?! I had emphatically a different experience, finding it to be dramatically less sharp (and responsive) than the Z7 EVF. Also much much worse framerates in low light.



Jun 22, 2019 at 02:33 AM
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Jun 24, 2019 at 01:08 PM
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p.1 #17 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


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The S1r?! I had emphatically a different experience, finding it to be dramatically less sharp (and responsive) than the Z7 EVF. Also much much worse framerates in low light.


Yes I actually did enjoy the s1r evf but the z7 I felt lagged more through the evf when zooming in on af s. I also liked the big porthole feeling of the s1r. Neither though are as reliable and seamless as the Sony a7r3 though they've def upped the resolution vs the Sony. The q2 evf is also great, and I read since it is oled vs lcd that all the pixels are thus refreshed together now so it's "true resolution" without trailing images.



Jun 25, 2019 at 01:31 AM
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p.1 #18 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Have you tried the 24GM? It balances well on the body and is f1.4.

The 85/1.8 is also pretty small. The loxia 25 handling too is superb. The batis 40 is surprisingly light weight and does also handle pretty well.

As far as handling too I always like a physical aperture ring, linear focus if electronic, and the focus hold buttons are very useful to program. The focus hold buttons on the lenses help to offset the cramped sony body and also work great for eye-af or subject tracking. the SL lenses though sleak should have a try at on lens utility though the s1r is big enough to hold all the buttons pretty seamlessly.



Jun 25, 2019 at 01:44 AM
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p.1 #19 · 75 Cron SL and Panasonic S1R


Jorge Torralba wrote:
Should be getting the 35 1.4 ZM tomorrow. Will see how that works out on the S1R.


How is the 35/1.4?




Jun 28, 2019 at 06:19 AM





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