p.3 #1 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Yeah like I said the Keystone Cops were more organized than Adobe when it comes to their split testing. I don't know one way or another but that was supposed to be for new potential customers. I'm with you. Some inflationary increase is bound to happen. As long as reasonable I'm OK with it. As long as they don't start charging me another $10 a month for 80 more GB of cloud storage which I'll never use I'll stick around. If they do I'm out.
p.3 #2 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
GroovyGeek wrote:
Your wife is obviously very different from mine, who turns on the most God forsaken of all channels, Bravo, as soon as she walks into the house, and watches whatever garbage they happen to be showing at any given time. If she was actually watching it would be less grating, but most of the time it just plays to an empty room, producing annoying chatter. Ok, she is at least not watching QVC, but it is still aggravating. Unlike you, I view $1200/year plus an infinite shoe collection as small price to pay for peace of mind
I don't watch much television and my wife watches less, but she does have a lot of shoes. She has been after me for years to switch to 100% streaming television. Out of my laziness and fear of having nothing to watch it took until now to do it. Now that it's done I couldn't be happier. I can stream everything I used to watch and so can she. Nothing really changed except that we're saving enough each month to pay for an Adobe subscription several times over.
We still have an installation of CS6 on a computer here, and going back to it is a real reality check. Little by little the improvements in CC have added up significantly over the last 5 years. The current CC has added features, some of which are very useful, but the biggest improvement is that many of the old features work a lot better. Whether that's worth the price of admission is a personal decision.
I was pretty upset when Adobe decided to rent their software. I looked at alternatives and IMO they didn't even come close. So, like it or not, the decision was between CS6 (still IMO better than alternatives) and CC. I went with CC. Overall the cost of doing so has not been much (any?) more than I was spending on version upgrades under the old business model, which by now (5 years later) would also have increased in price. Beyond the fact that I just don't care for the business model, I don't see a practical down side to CC. That could change as the competition improves and/or if CC's price relative to its value changes drastically.
p.3 #5 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
“We have recently discontinued certain older versions of Creative Cloud applications and and a result, under the terms of our agreement, you are no longer licensed to use them,”
So this refers to CC apps. If you are a subscriber why wouldn't you use the newest versions. I'm not sure what happens to Photoshop CC when you stop subscribing but if I ever drop the plan I'll use CS6.
p.3 #6 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
There are a lot of reasons to not use the latest versions. One is when Adobe eff's up certain features and either doesn't fix them or drags their feet in fixing them. Case in point is CC2019's Free Transform and Crop Tool mishaps, which went completely unrecognized for months by Adobe as problems at all. Now, I haven't bothered with the latest update yet because I don't know if they've addressed the issue and the text file fix works pretty well. Another case in point is for anyone who used InDesign. Backwards compatibility is not in their vocabulary and they will try and force a file "upgrade" on you that you don't necessarily want. If you're dealing with a complex design layout, you really don't want to risk some part of your project getting tweaked without your knowledge. And with ID, it works the other way too. I get sent a simple layout in InDesign - y'know, just a couple of text boxes and image boxes that was done in ID 2019 and and the file would not open in the 2018 version. This is the kind of shit that pissed professionals off. Not to mention that the New Project dialog box in ID has been redesigned to make it even more confusing than ever. It feels to me, as a working, well, hopefully working, professional that Adobe has pretty lost its way in terms of product development and now favors change for the sake of change when they have nothing left to offer.
p.3 #7 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Zenon Char wrote:
So this refers to CC apps. If you are a subscriber why wouldn't you use the newest versions. I'm not sure what happens to Photoshop CC when you stop subscribing but if I ever drop the plan I'll use CS6.
It's simple: in many cases new CC versions of applications are released with significant bugs and the older versions are needed to continue working with software that *works*. Also, when you're used to a certain version of the application, it is faster to work with than a new version where the user interface has been changed, because in the latter case you have to search for the functions that have been moved to a different place.
p.3 #8 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Its simple all right, or should I say the reason to stop using it. Its all a great reason for other companies to have hope as well. Adobe pretty much had a strangle hold on this market, and in the end they may be the very reason they lose it.
p.3 #9 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
“Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.”
It seems that Adobe has not met agreements with some third parties and now wants to make that a problem for Photoshop users. As usual, they are scumbags and need to make things right with the third party providers instead of threatening their customers.
p.3 #10 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Camperjim wrote:
“Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.”
It seems that Adobe has not met agreements with some third parties and now wants to make that a problem for Photoshop users. As usual, they are scumbags and need to make things right with the third party providers instead of threatening their customers.
The way I read it, there is an ongoing patent dispute about some of the underlying technology. Adobe has now worked around those patents, so the dispute only involves older products. This happens all the time in tech - with AAPL working around QCOM modem patents in their later iPhones, or with Android doing stupid workarounds to even stupider AAPL patents. The automatic "click to dial" feature comes to mind. AAPL was apparently granted a patent on this, so now on Android it is a two-step process. Click once to load the phone into the dialer, click a second time to dial the number. Money AAPL spent on that patent is never going to get them a single sale, and by doing things like that they invite petty retaliation. Dumb all around.
As to Adobe's note, there is nothing nefarious. In this litigious culture patent trolls will go not only after Adobe, but also after deep pocketed customers who use Adobe products and make s profit using them. The average individual user has nothing to worry about, because the cost of going after them will always exceed the amount of recovery the patent troll can expect.
p.3 #11 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
I wouldn't worry about it. How many single users did you read about were sued for using pirated versions of PS and LR and there were/are lots out there. Seems they always had their computer person.
p.3 #12 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
I started using Skylum Luminar 3 prior to the price increase. When I guit LR they gave me three months free to think about it. I still haven't opened it back up.
p.3 #13 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
KankRat wrote:
I started using Skylum Luminar 3 prior to the price increase. When I guit LR they gave me three months free to think about it. I still haven't opened it back up.
p.3 #15 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Zenon Char wrote:
What price increase?
Sorry. Me not rite so good.
I meant the Adobe increasing price or thinking about it or whatever they did.. Meaning my switch to Luminar was not based on that, though I like the idea of not paying a subscription. Luminar was only 60 bucks and it was on sale for 50.
So I figured what the heck.
So far it's got it's shortcomings, but I am sticking with it. For even $70 bucks if you are on a budget, it's a steal.
p.3 #16 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
GroovyGeek wrote:
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As to Adobe's note, there is nothing nefarious. In this litigious culture patent trolls will go not only after Adobe, but also after deep pocketed customers who use Adobe products and make s profit using them. The average individual user has nothing to worry about, because the cost of going after them will always exceed the amount of recovery the patent troll can expect.
That is not the way I read it. It seems Adobe owes money to third party software providers. Now they want to walk away and leave the customer hanging. No customers are responsible for this, deep pockets or not. No customers negotiated with third party providers. That was all Adobe.
p.3 #17 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
KankRat wrote:
Sorry. Me not rite so good.
I meant the Adobe increasing price or thinking about it or whatever they did.. Meaning my switch to Luminar was not based on that, though I like the idea of not paying a subscription. Luminar was only 60 bucks and it was on sale for 50.
So I figured what the heck.
So far it's got it's shortcomings, but I am sticking with it. For even $70 bucks if you are on a budget, it's a steal.
You need to do whatever works for you. There was no price increase.
p.3 #18 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Camperjim wrote:
That is not the way I read it. It seems Adobe owes money to third party software providers. Now they want to walk away and leave the customer hanging. No customers are responsible for this, deep pockets or not. No customers negotiated with third party providers. That was all Adobe.
We are of course free to disagree I am no fan of Adobe customer service, but I have been involved in a number of these types of disputes for work, and they are always about indemnification. If Adobe owes money to third parties about services or licensing, then the customers are not at risk, as it entirely Adobe's liability for services provided, and Adobe is in breach of contract. They owe the money to the provider whether or not you use the software.
However, if there is patent infringement in Adobe's products, then its customers are potentially at risk by continuing to use the infringing product without proper license. Adobe has probably determined that they are more likely than not to loose that particular dispute. They will owe money for past infringement, but are looking to avoid paying future licensing fees since they have worked around the patent and are no longer infringing.
It is still all about the money, but believe it or not they are not looking to screw their customers. If you are small operation with a few hundred k$ of annual revenue, or maybe even a few $M are are paying Adobe a few k$ of licensing you are not worth the lawyer fees to extract any recovery, which is likely to be a small fraction of your subscription fees. However, if you are paying Adobe several M$ of subscription fees then the recovery can go into $100k's and worth the lawyer fees.
It is not clear whether the counterparty to the suit is a license troll or a legitimate business. Since they seem to be threatening suing the customers I assumed a license troll.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, the above is based on work-related experience with patent litigation.
p.3 #19 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
KankRat wrote:
So far it's got it's shortcomings, but I am sticking with it. For even $70 bucks if you are on a budget, it's a steal.
Yes, Luminar is very good at stealing, time and effort and continuity are all down the drain with them. It‘s going to cost you big time, especially when (not if) it decides to trash your previous edits (by losing the database or changing the algorithms)!
p.3 #20 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
charlyw wrote:
Yes, Luminar is very good at stealing, time and effort and continuity are all down the drain with them. It‘s going to cost you big time, especially when (not if) it decides to trash your previous edits (by losing the database or changing the algorithms)!
