p.4 #1 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Just looked at my Adobe membership, and clicked on "change plan". I realize this is probably different for each person, but there is an option for me to buy the CC plan I have for $99 (save $20 by doing this), and also I see that I can get all CC programs for $29.99 a month, which is a fantastic deal (unless I am reading it wrong).
Obviously I don't like paying to "rent" a program, but I do make some money utilizing their programs.
p.4 #3 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
KankRat wrote:
You had Luminar 3?
I had Luminar Neptune, Luminar 2017, Luminar 2018 and Luminar 3, I got a full refund for the latter because they had changed (without any way of recovery) their algorithms in such a way as to destroy the previously created and supposedly lossless saved edits, requiring a total rework of the previous workflow. Luminar 3 has now again been the subject of such a change it seems as AFAIK the AI image enhancer has been replaced by a new version with no way to continue to use the old (haven‘t downloaded the trial though yet, will need to do that eventually because friends that were so stupid as to replace LR with that ineptly designed software will ask me how)...
p.4 #4 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
charlyw wrote:
I had Luminar Neptune, Luminar 2017, Luminar 2018 and Luminar 3, I got a full refund for the latter because they had changed (without any way of recovery) their algorithms in such a way as to destroy the previously created and supposedly lossless saved edits, requiring a total rework of the previous workflow. Luminar 3 has now again been the subject of such a change it seems as AFAIK the AI image enhancer has been replaced by a new version with no way to continue to use the old (haven‘t downloaded the trial though yet, will need to do that eventually because friends that were so stupid as to replace LR with that ineptly designed software will ask me how)......Show more →
Interesting. I saw something about it in their forums. So far I had no problems. It's only be a couple months.
p.4 #5 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
KankRat wrote:
Interesting. I saw something about it in their forums. So far I had no problems. It's only be a couple months.
They no longer support their own file format for supposedly lossless stourage (simpy abandoned) and every time you updated the results were different in exposure rendering, sharpening. They even have some things absolutely ludicrously wrong (and if they were serious about their software could never change that without carrying that mess with them from version to version on perpetuity) like their filter strength slider which affects not only sensible filters like sharpness or noise reduction but also th RAW filter with it‘s white balance, so you can have a guess what an absolute white balance of 5500°K at 40% filter strength means. Luminar is a ill conceived mess with no longterm viability because the company behind it is a total mess. They already have a shady track record of abandoning complete product lines (CK filters which did some things infinitely better than Luminar does but they are gone, no longer supported)...
p.4 #6 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
charlyw wrote:
They no longer support their own file format for supposedly lossless stourage (simpy abandoned) and every time you updated the results were different in exposure rendering, sharpening. They even have some things absolutely ludicrously wrong (and if they were serious about their software could never change that without carrying that mess with them from version to version on perpetuity) like their filter strength slider which affects not only sensible filters like sharpness or noise reduction but also th RAW filter with it‘s white balance, so you can have a guess what an absolute white balance of 5500°K at 40% filter strength means. Luminar is a ill conceived mess with no longterm viability because the company behind it is a total mess. They already have a shady track record of abandoning complete product lines (CK filters which did some things infinitely better than Luminar does but they are gone, no longer supported)......Show more →
I liked their CK products, and had high hopes for Luminar, but it doesn't feel like digital darkroom software for photographers. It feels more like a bunch of gimmicky effects and filters wrapped in a GUI.
p.4 #7 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
They no longer support thei...... complete product lines (CK filters which did some things infinitely better than Luminar does but they are gone, no longer supported)...
So I understand this correctly.
You edit a RAW file.
Export a jpeg.
Luminar has an update, which you do;
Your RAW file is now different from the edits you made?
Can you revert back to what came out of the camera?
p.4 #8 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
bluloo wrote:
I liked their CK products, and had high hopes for Luminar, but it doesn't feel like digital darkroom software for photographers. It feels more like a bunch of gimmicky effects and filters wrapped in a GUI.
What do you mean it "feels" like? Have you used Luminar 3. I would agree I've seen a lot of HDR 2009 from their adverts but you can customize your workspace (which I have been too lazy to do) So you will never even see those filters. I used Lightroom for like 4 years. It's worth every penny for a pro. The organizing features for me not so much. Overkill.
I don't think Luminar is up to pro standards , I am not a pro.
p.4 #9 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
KankRat wrote:
What do you mean it "feels" like? Have you used Luminar 3. I would agree I've seen a lot of HDR 2009 from their adverts but you can customize your workspace (which I have been too lazy to do) So you will never even see those filters. I used Lightroom for like 4 years. It's worth every penny for a pro. The organizing features for me not so much. Overkill.
I don't think Luminar is up to pro standards , I am not a pro.
Yeah, I've used versions of Luminar since it was released, ans was consistently disappointed.
I'm sure I could get better results if I spent a lot more time with the app, but many parts of the SW, like charlyw noted above, bugged me. And they also over-promised, IMO.
Maybe I'll get back to it and dive in again, but that's where it is for me.
p.4 #10 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
They no longer support thei...... complete product lines (CK filters which did some things infinitely better than Luminar does but they are gone, no longer supported)...
So I understand this correctly.
You edit a RAW file.
Export a jpeg.
Luminar has an update, which you do;
Your RAW file is now different from the edits you made?
Can you revert back to what came out of the camera?
No, your RAW is unchanged but you no longer can achieve the once created result - not even if you saved (which you no longer can outside the database) the recipe. It’s as if you like black ground pepper in a dish but for whatever reason all the black pepper you have turns to insanely hot, inedible chillies...
p.4 #11 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
Camperjim wrote:
That is not the way I read it. It seems Adobe owes money to third party software providers. Now they want to walk away and leave the customer hanging. No customers are responsible for this, deep pockets or not. No customers negotiated with third party providers. That was all Adobe.
Turns out that it is an IP dispute, as I suspected. With Dolby.
p.4 #12 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
I was thinking of cancelling and started the process, when I was given the option to extend my current plan for another 2 months, at no cost if I remained. That's when I saw the increased price for the current base-plan.
Not sure if this is an indication of what's planned for people when their current sub expires, but it looks like they're planning to basically double the price of my current $10.65/mo plan to $21.30.
There's no way in God's green earth I'm paying anywhere near double, and I really don't like the insecurity that their subscription test-pricing misadventure has broadly engendered.
Looks like it's seriously time to prepare to move to another set of editors, in the event that's where they go.
FYI for others.
"New" Adobe base-plan after current plan period expires?
p.4 #13 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
bluloo wrote:
Not sure if this is an indication of what's planned for people when their current sub expires, but it looks like they're planning to basically double the price of my current $10.65/mo plan to $21.30.
Wrong, that has long since debunked! They are just showing you the plan including 1Tb of storage as primary option, the one with 20 Gb is still selectable! So no need to toss out 1000’s of (whatever currency) worth of knowledge!
p.4 #14 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
charlyw wrote:
Wrong, that has long since debunked! They are just showing you the plan including 1Tb of storage as primary option, the one with 20 Gb is still selectable! So no need to toss out 1000’s of (whatever currency) worth of knowledge!
Not sure why they’d list that plan price for comparison in my case, because that’s not the plan I have, but I sincerely hope you’re correct, sir!
p.4 #15 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
charlyw wrote:
Wrong, that has long since debunked! They are just showing you the plan including 1Tb of storage as primary option, the one with 20 Gb is still selectable! So no need to toss out 1000’s of (whatever currency) worth of knowledge!
No, it hasn't been 'debunked' ... at least not completely. The situation where not all packages for the Photography Plan were visible to all visitors did indeed occur.
Many folks in recent months had extreme difficulty in discovering the 20GB plan ... just view the several threads here and elsewhere (with screen shots to prove it). While the Adobe marketing department admitted they had been 'testing', that doesn't clean the slate as a debunked situation ... they created the 'bunk' ...
While they did not officially end the 20GB plan, their marketing methodology has indeed created an atmosphere where doubt has flourished and exacerbated the misunderstanding.
It's frivolous to blame fellow forum members for a misunderstanding that Adobe has openly admitted they created.
p.4 #16 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
I was it for months or for only a day, a few months ago? This was not the first time Adobe did a test that lasted for a short period of time. There was one in October of 2017. On May 2 I did not see the 20GB plan. Every other time I have been in there just to see I always see 20GB plan first on both the US and Canadian sites.
p.4 #17 · Fight or Flight - Adobe's plans for Doubling CC Price
PSA
At the suggestion of another forum member, I was able to extend my sub, at the current discounted rate, for another year (May 2020), by paying in full for the year.
My monthly subscription period doesn't expire until September, but I was able to take advantage of the current paid-annually rate anyhow.
Anyone concerned about a potential price increase - it buys you another year at the lower rate.
