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p.16 #1 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


@Kit Laughlin I'll hijack it on your request

I haven't used DXO 6 any more than 20 minutes so far, it was just released and I upgraded to it yesterday.

I've used DXO 5 for the past year and it has been nothing short of a game changer in terms of image quality for me.

It's not the most intuitive software to use (not for my brain at least and I've been using computers since I was 7, 33 years). Lightroom is the easiest RAW converter to use in my opinion but the one that gives the "worst" image quality (bad choice of words as no mainstream converter gives bad image quality).

Lightroom is the worst at handling high ISO noise as well as details and sharpening. It's a great photo library and has great interaction with Photoshop.

Capture one has a clear advantage in image quality, better noise reduction and far better detail extraction in my opinion, it's not quite as easy to use or as well planned but once you start to get to know it, it's faster both in use and in exporting.

Now to DXO, I had to write a little quickly about Lightroom and Capture One first as I've used Lightroom since it was in Beta and Capture One Pro (up till 21) for several years.

DXO isn't as good as a library though it has improved a lot with DXO 5 and now with DXO 6 to a degree where it's quite good though different to Lightroom and Capture one.

I loved Aperture on Mac as well, it had good image quality and I loved the processing nature of it, I loved the light table which is something I still miss. I also loved Nikons Nik Software with control points for editing which, at the time was and still is unique in terms of masking quickly and easily with great results (most of the time).

Nik Software was sold to Google which in turn lowered the price on all the products and then, eventually released it for free. After that DXO bought it and has incorporated the Control Points masking (and other ways) in to DXO which makes it a super powerful and useful image editing software.

What blows me away though, and the other RAW converters is the image quality. With DXO 5 they introduced Deep Prime Pro noise reduction and it was witch craft on the darkest kind. Nothing short of black magic. It made me go back to my 2012 Olympus m43 files and re-edit them with the noise reduction and demosaicing and have the files look several generations better.

DXO has several benefits to me, DXO 6 now has improved the noise reduction even more and it's not just noise reduction as I said before, it's demosaicing in the same process as well as detail extraction. It's amazing how much it reduces noise and maintains detail, like no other software does for me.

DXO also has lens profiles for most lenses. They do these profiles in their own laboratory and once you click in "lens sharpening" it sharpens the image (and some other magic) based the lens test and performance form their lab.

The software it self is a bit different compared to Lightroom for example, it's not as well laid up in terms of how easy it is to find stuff. Lightrooms process is to go from the top to bottom in the editing panel. You just scroll down as you make changes.

DXO has different pages, Light, Detail, FX etc. You can enable an advanced mode where you have everything you want under the same panel and can add/remove but it's quite messy IMO.

DXO is feels most like Aperture IMO, not as easy to use but in many ways similar. The local editing tools are the best of all RAW converters. You can use control points, paint it in or a number of other ways, or mix and match.

Control points is the most powerful tool IMO, you simply set a point and drag it to size (circular). You can than make a number of adjustments, exposure, color, detail, temperature etc. It only affects the area within the circle but also only similar colors and light of where you have dropped the point. You can keep adding points with the same effects applied within the same "group" of points and you can also add more groups with their own settings.

So if you have a wall that's half green and half orange and you place a point on the green and raise the exposure only the green will be affected even if your point circle extends over the orange.

I do sometimes mix DXO 5 (and from now 6) with Capture one or Lightroom. If that's the case I simply run the RAW file through DXO with Deep Prime and lens corrections and then import it in to Capture one or Lightroom as a DNG RAW file, when I do that I seem to be able to extract even more detail, especially when I use Capture One. But to be honest, it's not needed.

You do get a 30-day trial with DXO, just download, choose trial and start playing. Let me know via a PM if you need assistance

/Rasmus



Oct 11, 2022 at 05:30 AM
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p.16 #2 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


@Wilbus: that was a superb comparison, my friend, and I was an Aperture power users (as a professional photographer, often handling many GB of images from location shoots that went a week to ten days). What a crime Apple committed when they dropped that one! Luckily I retired the photography side of our business. I have been playing with Affinity Photo since, but DXO sounds promising.

I will bookmark this page and come back to it. I sincerely appreciate the time it took to write this up.

Now back to the G9 (my next camera, I think).

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Oct 11, 2022 at 03:39 PM
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p.16 #3 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


I actually switched from using PC's to Apple just because of Aperture. I was very sad when they stopped supporting it.

I still like the workflow of Lightroom, but I use DxO PureRAW 2 on a lot of my files now.



Oct 11, 2022 at 04:08 PM
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p.16 #4 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


@Kit Laughlin

My pleasure bud

I was thinking I will go through some older m43 images and redo them with DXO and upload in the m43 forum or here. Like I said, the learning curve of DXO isn't really steep, just different but it's well worth it, the image quality is second to none and one can keep it all in one program and work on RAW files only unlike programs such as Topaz DeNoie (if it's just denoise one is after).

Affinity photo is superb, I have it both for PC since it was first released and more recently for my iPad Pro 11. It's a Photoshop competitor and a great one at that but it's not a software that can be used as quick and easy as other RAW converters or library software. Affinity photo to me is for extra retouching and pure manipulation of photos (which I rarely/ever do).

Molson, I agree, I was very sad to see Aperture go but it's all in the line of Apple making their software mainstream, weaker and easier to use for the every day person.

The G9 is still an excellent camera, in many ways I should have kept it and m43 but life needed some other decisions at the time.



Oct 13, 2022 at 01:05 AM
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p.16 #5 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


So, I'm going through some old photos and putting them through DXO 6 with their Deep Prime XD as well as their lens profile sharpening. This is like adding new life to images I previously discarded due to lack of detail cause of noise and low light.

Let's see if the Flickr sharing works.

Lumix G9, ISO 3200 @ 1/160th second. Olympus 300mm F4 @ F4.

I can honestly say I am considering going back to m43 (though with the OM1). I do kind of miss the size and fun of it. It would suck (be impossible in these economic times) to replace the stuff quickly though.

Duck



Oct 13, 2022 at 10:53 AM
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p.16 #6 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


@Wilbus: thank you.

I would love to see just a few 'before' and 'after' images that you feel show DXO's capabilities.

I know a lot of people use Lightroom, but I truly dislike Adobe's subscription model and the constant updates (when I was in the process of making a decision years ago between Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro, I had the creative cloud software installed and even on a powerful Mac I was losing about 20% of performance and being interrupted constantly). As soon as I made the decision to go with FCP, I deleted creative cloud and the performance came back – I was honestly amazed by that. And in my professional work which was sporadic in the extreme (in the sense where I might shoot photographs constantly for a few weeks on a job and then not shoot any thing much for a year, some years), the subscription models just don't make any sense.

And like Cliff, I mourn the passing of Aperture (and Apple's moves to make everything look and work like a phone). With the increase in 'options', so many actions require more button presses, not less, with each "upgrade".

Well, that's my little rant over. Please do show us what DXO can do; I am genuinely interested.



Oct 13, 2022 at 02:51 PM
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p.16 #7 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


Kit Laughlin wrote:
@Wilbus@: thank you.

I would love to see just a few 'before' and 'after' images that you feel show DXO's capabilities.

I know a lot of people use Lightroom, but I truly dislike Adobe's subscription model and the constant updates (when I was in the process of making a decision years ago between Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro, I had the creative cloud software installed and even on a powerful Mac I was losing about 20% of performance and being interrupted constantly). As soon as I made the decision to go with FCP, I deleted creative cloud and the performance
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I mourned the passing of Aperture as well a little bit but there are, to be honest, much better options. DXO is one of them, Capture One Pro is another.

I'll open a new thread with DXO examples Kit

Will let you know when it's done, I'm a bit short on time the coming few days.

Regards

Rasmus



Oct 14, 2022 at 05:31 AM
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p.16 #8 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


Lumix G9 and Olympus 40-150 F2.8 What a superb lens this is!




Oct 18, 2022 at 10:04 AM
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p.16 #9 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


Indeed Olympus knocked it out of the park with the development of that 40-150 f2.8 pro lens. I have half a dozen Pro lenses and love that one the best. If Panasonic ever decided to develop a phase detection/dfd combo sensor I might become a customer. Until that happens, I'll stick with OM.


Oct 18, 2022 at 11:13 AM
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p.16 #10 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


I caved in and ordered a new G9 this morning.


Oct 18, 2022 at 12:46 PM
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p.16 #11 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


OK so I just have to ask..........WHY?


Oct 18, 2022 at 01:50 PM
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p.16 #12 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


dcisive wrote:
OK so I just have to ask..........WHY?


Because it's one of the best cameras I've ever used... and it's only C$1299 (about US$940) brand new these days. I have the OM-1 for the ~5% of the time when I need (or want) PD-AF and high speed tracking.



Oct 18, 2022 at 02:02 PM
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p.16 #13 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


Ok I understand. When they were going to release their S1 I got on the list and received it upon release. I was indeed impressed in many regards. But the DFD simply wasn't as well rounded as some of the other phase related systems were. I do see however how the G9 would be attractive. It's a very capable camera. I guess my bank account needs more convincing to bring in more gear than I already have. The OM-1 is the best all-rounder for now. If they ever release an OM-2 I don't doubt it will once again be top of the heap. But I still hold out a tad bit of hope that Panasonic will finally give in and incorporate phase detection along with their already very good DFD setup. If they did, I have a funny feeling they'd set the others on their heads. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what they decide. There are rumors floating around about this move.


Oct 18, 2022 at 02:18 PM
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p.16 #14 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


dcisive wrote:
There are rumors floating around about this move.


I hope you're right, but from what I hear, Panasonic is really struggling with supply chain issues - much more than most of the other camera companies, so they're having a hard time delivering on current products.

Now I have to grab a few spare DMW-BLF19 batteries for the G9 while they're still in stock - they have been discontinued...



Oct 18, 2022 at 03:27 PM
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p.16 #15 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


If those batteries are discontinued is the G9 next in line?


Oct 18, 2022 at 10:56 PM
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p.16 #16 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


molson wrote:
I caved in and ordered a new G9 this morning.


Sweet! It's a beautiful camera. Like my S1R in a smaller format, or maybe the other way around, the S1R is like the G9 in a large format.

I too think that Panasonic would have a winner if they could combine their already best in the industry contrast detect AF (DFD) with Phase Detect. I still, also, naively believe that DFD has to potential to beat phase detect in the future, with more advancements in technology and cpu power. The G9's DFD is great, even very good at tracking most fast things (one of the reasons I started the thread). It can easily track fast surfers and powerboats and other things even with Olympus lenses that aren't DFD calibrated (an error in the m43 concern IMO).

The G9 AF as up until the OM1 been much faster at S-AF than the E-M1 series cameras, it's near instant and my S1R is very close to it as well. It lags in very low light but it's a sacrifice that is fine with me.

I also saw some small but clear differences in image quality at higher ISO between than G9 and E-M1 Mk II much thanks to no PDAF it would seem like.

As for the batteries being discontinued, yes I do believe the G9 is next in line to be discontinued and I am surprised it's not already gone. I guess they still have units out there and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last photo oriented m43 camera they will make. If m43 rumors are right Panasonic has already stated that they are already working on the next GH camera even though the GH6 was just released. They said nothing about a G9 replacement though.

All of that also makes me a bit worried as to where they will go with the S-series, if that too will go in the direction of 80% video but it was something I was unsure of already when I bought into the system.



Oct 19, 2022 at 03:38 AM
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dcisive wrote:
Indeed Olympus knocked it out of the park with the development of that 40-150 f2.8 pro lens. I have half a dozen Pro lenses and love that one the best. If Panasonic ever decided to develop a phase detection/dfd combo sensor I might become a customer. Until that happens, I'll stick with OM.


Yup, it was without a doubt my most used m43 lens. I used it for portraits and action sports, birding, animals and most things in between.

/Regards

Rasmus



Oct 19, 2022 at 03:40 AM
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p.16 #18 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


Lumix G9 and Olympus 300mm F4. F4 1/8000 of a second. Continues tracking AF with the G9 works great here, pretty much every shot was in sharp focus of the board and person. I was very lucky with the lightning hitting the mans face just where it did and it only did so for less than a second, the next frame the face is out of that spot of light again.




Oct 19, 2022 at 09:08 AM
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p.16 #19 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


I found the DFD worked fine for a lot of fast-moving subjects, like this bathtub racer I shot during the first week I had my original G9.




  DC-G9    LEICA DG 50-200/F2.8-4.0 lens    200mm    f/5.6    1/1600s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Oct 19, 2022 at 09:48 AM
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p.16 #20 · Panasonic G9 image thread and discussion


The thing that could shake up their DFD is if they got a processor speed that pushed it to a level of focus tracking that rivaled Phase detection. I've thought about this for several years now. Processor speeds have risen for all manufacturers. And after all, Panasonic is an electronic giant. Not out of the question. The thing I really did like about the S1 I tried out, with their 24-105 f4 lens, was the sharpness was pretty unbeatable. The noise was very very low and oh those colors. I was impressed with color rendition and still am. Panasonic has a decent color science to be sure. If they came up with an advanced G10 to follow the G9 offering upper scale professional stills functionality I have to admit my B&H account would be very tempted. Hard to imagine it trumping the OM-1.


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