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Archive 2019 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos

  
 
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p.48 #1 · p.48 #1 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


Donzo98 wrote:
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1. Adam reports many problems that are not commonly reported by others. I have been using the S1R + SL glass for a few weeks with zero issues.

2. @Rodizzle33@ has both an S1 and S1R with SL glass, and reports none of things either.

3. The S1/S1R Facebook groups has about 3500 members, and does not report these issues.

I respect him a lot... and he obviously knows how to test lenses for issues. If you read his posts, you would never buy an S1/S1R because of the many issues he sees. To many of us though... we see
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I think you misunderstand my frustrations... Personal opinion (about buttons/grip/size/etc) aside I like the camera for the colours and the IQ and what it can produce image wise (much happier IQ wise than with the SL so we agree on this). I'm not saying you can't make it work, I've produced good results on several jobs now. What I'm trying to say is that Panasonic NEEDs a firmware update to bring about better communication between the body and the SL/Sigma lenses.

I don't even know if the SL2 will be "better" I haven't used it, but it will at least communicate better with the SL lenses (of course until Panasonic releases a firmware fix, or Leica releases a firmware fix). Though who knows how the SL2 will communicate with the Sigma and Panny lenses??

The reason people aren't reporting issues is simple.
1) When you buy something expensive you generally overlook a lot of shortcomings to justify your purchase.
2) More than half the people that buy SL glass or Panny bodies or whatever don't know f-stops from shutter speed.
3) These issues can mask themselves as user error.. For the first little while I was even stumped myself.
4) Why look for these issues? If you shoot and they don't show up great. If they show up once in a while avoid doing what makes them show up. Good example of this is if the lens flares ugly, why purposefully make it flare? The casual shooter can avoid any and all the issues I mentioned or a quick off/on of the camera can fix this, so unless you're a working pro you don't have to worry about most of what I wrote. Most of the S1 shooters online who are in bliss with their S1/S1R are not working professionals.



Aug 27, 2019 at 12:41 AM
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p.48 #2 · p.48 #2 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


AcuteShadows wrote:
I would indeed be interested in the circumstances in which these problems actually occur, if only to check whether and to what extent my Z6/Z7 have the same issues. And this would be the appropriate board to have more people - actual users of the S1/S1R to report their experience, possibly testing for these particular issues.


I don't have the Z6 anymore so I couldn't comment on issues with the Z6. In the time I owned it the camera performed wonderfully with the native lenses I used (24-70/4, 35/1.8, 50/1.8).

I regret selling the camera but I have a lot of SL glass and the EOSR (as well as like 4 other systems/half systems) so when the opportunity came I sold the whole kit.



Aug 27, 2019 at 12:42 AM
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p.48 #3 · p.48 #3 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


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Has anyone has any extensive off camera strobes experience yet?


I was thinking about buying the Godox Olympus Xpro trigger (my friend said it works with Panasonic w/only minor issues). I just haven't bothered investing in another flash system because I'm not sure if I'll keep the S1 or not.

You could always use the Profoto flash system with a standard trigger. You could also get into their app and software if you need remote access to the lights. I do this currently with all my cameras.

I will add that I tested the godox on camera flash (Olympus mount) at the shop and it worked in the three or four scenarios I tested for (limited testing as I was in the shop). TTL btw.



Aug 27, 2019 at 12:46 AM
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p.48 #4 · p.48 #4 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


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I haven't had 1, 2 and 5 of Adams list but have had the rest for sure. Plus a couple of others (very occasional card error is one). I don't for a second doubt the others are there. It's just I haven't, yet. Probably I'm not shooting in a way to make that error happen. I don't own the 35 or 75 SL. I'm not looking to buy the 35 Sigma. OTOH I'm really pleased my Sigma 12-24 adapts really well while my 16-35 is in the shop.

Depending on what's critical to you, these might be a big deal, an
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Couldn't have said it better.. BTW how's the 12-24?? I bought the 16-35SL and there are minor regrets running through my head. If you could only keep one, what would it be and why?



Aug 27, 2019 at 12:49 AM
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p.48 #5 · p.48 #5 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


rodizzle33 wrote:
I had no issues whatsoever during an engagement shoot. Everyone knows that the focus is not up to par to the Sony system. I think the key is to knowing its limitation.

There is no way I can say that it is not usable because all my shots with the 50/90SL have been pretty sharp and in focus!


Nice, love the flare.



Aug 27, 2019 at 12:51 AM
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p.48 #6 · p.48 #6 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


https://www.dpreview.com/news/0172573999/panasonic-officially-launches-video-centric-lumix-dc-s1h

https://www.dpreview.com/videos/9281918455/dpreview-tv-panasonic-s1h-first-look

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8772897579/panasonic-lumix-s-pro-24-70mm-f2-8-to-ship-in-october-for-2200



Aug 27, 2019 at 02:51 PM
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p.48 #7 · p.48 #7 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


adamdewilde wrote:
Couldn't have said it better.. BTW how's the 12-24?? I bought the 16-35SL and there are minor regrets running through my head. If you could only keep one, what would it be and why?


The SIgma 12-24 Art is great. But not as good as the 16-35SL, at any focal length (excet 12-15mm ). It's huge, a PITA for filters and although it's sharp it doesn't have the *bite* of the SL zoom. I find my copy close to the Canon 11-24, which a good friend owns so I can compare. I think I have a good one. Distortion is low. AF is actually pretty OK with the MC21. It controls flare waaaaay better than the Sony 12-24. If I hadn't seen what the Leica can do I'd be thrilled with the Sigma.

The 16-35SL is the best wide zoom I've owned (and I've been through most of them, at some point). I also had some real buyers regret when I got it as I think it's a waste to have so much overlap with the 24-90. However after taking it on a recent trip (where I dropped it....) I really changed my mind about it.. Optically and build it's the best wide zoom there is. It's about as good as the Hasselblad XCD45mm at 35mm but a bit behind the spectacular 30 and 21mm HB primes. For a wide zoom I think that's high praise. I especially appreciated the weather sealing and the fact it doesn't extend during zooming in Europe. And it shares filters with the other zooms.

So, the Sigma is a good lens but I'm going to be happy when my 16-35 is back.

A few from the SL 16-35. I have posted these before. All handheld. The last one was massively underexposed to try and save the highlights and then recovered. About 4 stops.

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Aug 27, 2019 at 03:45 PM
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p.48 #8 · p.48 #8 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


I like that 24-70. Hopefully it perform as promised though certified by Leica made me nervous about its reliability

snapsy wrote:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/0172573999/panasonic-officially-launches-video-centric-lumix-dc-s1h

https://www.dpreview.com/videos/9281918455/dpreview-tv-panasonic-s1h-first-look

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8772897579/panasonic-lumix-s-pro-24-70mm-f2-8-to-ship-in-october-for-2200




Aug 27, 2019 at 05:22 PM
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p.48 #9 · p.48 #9 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


I love what Panasonic is doing with this system! Really considering picking up an S1...even though I don't need it...


Aug 27, 2019 at 08:37 PM
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p.48 #10 · p.48 #10 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


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Aug 27, 2019 at 09:29 PM
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flash wrote:
The SIgma 12-24 Art is great. But not as good as the 16-35SL, at any focal length (excet 12-15mm ). It's huge, a PITA for filters and although it's sharp it doesn't have the *bite* of the SL zoom. I find my copy close to the Canon 11-24, which a good friend owns so I can compare. I think I have a good one. Distortion is low. AF is actually pretty OK with the MC21. It controls flare waaaaay better than the Sony 12-24. If I hadn't seen what the Leica can do I'd be thrilled with the Sigma.

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Just to confirm you don't have the new 12-24 DN DG lens that's native L-mount (and a different optical formula)?
That's the lens I was curious about, and I'm curious if it's going to be a MUCH better performer than the DSLR version.

I like the 16-35SL, it does have "bite" maybe not SEM level bite but it's there.. I think my issue with is is that again it's not a full frame lens, it's stretched to meet full frame, about as bad as the 24-90 is, but not anywhere near as bad as the Q/Q2. I don't really mind that for a 16-35SL however because I would rarely shoot people with it and if I did it wouldn't be anywhere near the edges of the frame. So all in all I'm happy enough with the 16-35SL and I also like the size/fact that it doesn't extend while zooming. I haven't had a chance to go shoot epic landscapes with it or anything, but I have a trip in the works where I'm trying to decide between the 16-35SL and the 24S (obviously with S007 camera vs S1 camera)

The Hasselblad 45 is the worst lens in the system the 30XCD is awesome though and something I find hard to sell even though I'm considering getting rid of the X1D kit altogether.



Aug 28, 2019 at 02:50 AM
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p.48 #12 · p.48 #12 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


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Aug 28, 2019 at 07:23 AM
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adamdewilde wrote:
Just to confirm you don't have the new 12-24 DN DG lens that's native L-mount (and a different optical formula)?
That's the lens I was curious about, and I'm curious if it's going to be a MUCH better performer than the DSLR version.

I like the 16-35SL, it does have "bite" maybe not SEM level bite but it's there.. I think my issue with is is that again it's not a full frame lens, it's stretched to meet full frame, about as bad as the 24-90 is, but not anywhere near as bad as the Q/Q2. I don't really mind that
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No. I have the 12-24 Art in EF mount. The new lens is a 14-24, not a 12.

I intend to rest it but it's not that different to a 16 and has filter use issues so the SL lens suits me more. If I need wider than 16 I have a current CV12mm f5.6 and/or a Samyang 14mm 2.8. The new Sigma is supposed to be good though. I'm a bit wary because I bought the Sony 12-24 on glowing reviews only to find the flare was horrid and nearly uncontrollable. I know the Leica works well.

The recent XCD lenses are very very good. I think the 21 is even better than the 30. The 65, 80 and 135 are absolutely epic.

Gordon



Aug 28, 2019 at 08:47 AM
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flash wrote:
No. I have the 12-24 Art in EF mount. The new lens is a 14-24, not a 12.

I intend to rest it but it's not that different to a 16 and has filter use issues so the SL lens suits me more. If I need wider than 16 I have a current CV12mm f5.6 and/or a Samyang 14mm 2.8. The new Sigma is supposed to be good though. I'm a bit wary because I bought the Sony 12-24 on glowing reviews only to find the flare was horrid and nearly uncontrollable. I know the Leica works well.

The recent XCD lenses
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Right right my mistake 12 14 all feels the same when it's wider than 16mm.. Yes I'm also a bit weary of people who rave about things as my shooting style and what I look for in a lens is probably different than most. But it's always good to hear people out!

Yeah I am more of a fan of the 30 vs the 21 but other than the 45XCD I think Hasselblad did a good job with all the XCD lenses. I am just annoyed with them so won't add to my kit (rather will be selling the X1D kit, no hurry tho) and the reason is a bit OT so won't bother posting.




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p.48 #15 · p.48 #15 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


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Aug 30, 2019 at 07:33 AM
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p.48 #16 · p.48 #16 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


Canon 1635f4
PanasonicS1_1635mm2 by ZHNL, on Flickr
PanasonicS1_1635 by ZHNL, on Flickr
leica 90mm APO summicron
PanasonicS1_901 by ZHNL, on Flickr



Aug 30, 2019 at 06:57 PM
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zhangyue wrote:
Canon 1635f4
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48556521917_3672acb6d5_h.jpgPanasonicS1_1635mm2 by ZHNL, on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48570663202_c415fec37c_h.jpgPanasonicS1_1635 by ZHNL, on Flickr
leica 90mm APO summicron
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48570530806_8f67b2f18a_h.jpgPanasonicS1_901 by ZHNL, on Flickr


#2 is just fantastic. Very moody.



Aug 30, 2019 at 07:21 PM
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CritterRacing wrote:
#2 is just fantastic. Very moody.

Thank you

90APO M and S1 Both crop from the same High Resolution mode image

S190APO-1 by ZHNL, on Flickr
S190APO-2 by ZHNL, on Flickr



Aug 31, 2019 at 02:11 PM
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p.48 #19 · p.48 #19 · Official Panasonic S1 series thread - rumors, tech specs and photos


Some random photo using S1 with all kinds of glass. I do realize one thing that I pick up S1 way more than Z since acquired it. (could be due to it is new) For a day trip or city trip, you really don't notice any weight difference with S1 and two lenses, but you do like big round view finder(I still believe Nikon is on par consider it has only 60FPS, I look forward Z8, S1round EVF is just looking dead gorgeous with 120fps I am sure this is one of biggest reason over all other trade off ) and easy operation with big real estate on body.

Leica 120APO S
untitled by ZHNL, on Flickr
untitled-5 by ZHNL, on Flickr

75mm Summilux
untitled-8 by ZHNL, on Flickr

Nikon 85f1.4D
untitled-6 by ZHNL, on Flickr
untitled by ZHNL, on Flickr



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A couple of hours ago.







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