cvrle59 wrote:
That lens messed my mind up, as well. Look, how perfectly round those highlights in the background are at F4..
That is actually one thing that people haven't brought up much about the 24-70 f4 S that I think is really nice. The aperture blades are well designed, so bokeh highlights still look pretty round even when stopped down to f8. I had the Sony Zeiss 24-70 f4 FE and though I didn't find it as horrible as many people (most of whom haven't even used one) made it out to be, but one thing I found unacceptable was how bad the bokeh looked when stopped down, as you'd start to see hexagonal highlights stopped down to only f5.6 :/
Sagar wrote:
Thank you. You are helping me build my justification to keep Z7
I forgot (and edited my last post) to include that the Z7 does not have an optical low pass filter, while the Z6 does. This in theory should result in sharper stills, all things staying equal (though I'd agree with many here that for most shooting more than 24mp is overkill).
It's an interesting pro/con argument between the two cameras. Loved the output of my old D750, so if the Z6 is anywhere close to that, I think it'll sell like hotcakes - especially considering the savings when you package it with the 24-70 f4 and FTZ adapter.
I got my Z6 this afternoon from Amazon. Mainly got it for 4K video. I was only able to shoot for an hour. The 24-70 f4 S video was excellent, but the 200mm f2 footage was just stunning. Can't wait to try it tomorrow with my other F-mount glass. This could be the camera I've been lusting after for so many years. I was planning to use it for B-roll footage for a shoot next week, but I'm thinking of promoting it to my main camera after I make some LUTs and play around with different Z6 picture profiles to see how well I can match the color to other cameras that will be used.
My initial thoughts after mere moments holiding it: I prefer the D500 in my hand. That aside, controls are responsive and I need to spend some time in the menus clearing up settings.
Shooting with the Z has made me appreciate how incredible the latest gen of Nikon DSLRs really are. The D850 feels like a barcalounger in comparison in hand (in a good way)
BSPhotog wrote:
My initial thoughts after mere moments holiding it: I prefer the D500 in my hand. That aside, controls are responsive and I need to spend some time in the menus clearing up settings.
sungphoto wrote:
Shooting with the Z has made me appreciate how incredible the latest gen of Nikon DSLRs really are. The D850 feels like a barcalounger in comparison in hand (in a good way)
Surprisingly I felt the same about the D850 with fast f/1.4 or slightly larger lenses. I love the Z7 and now I am thinking Z6 would be perfect. With the Z7 FTZ and 28E the D850/28E combo feels better but if you opt for the 24-70/4S or 35/1.8S the Z7/Z6 wins in respect to size/weight feel.
sungphoto wrote:
Shooting with the Z has made me appreciate how incredible the latest gen of Nikon DSLRs really are. The D850 feels like a barcalounger in comparison in hand (in a good way)
I'll have to wait a month and a half to get the 50S, but I'm looking forward to that package. Only 3 of my lenses will AF on the FTZ (24mm f/1.4G, 50 Art, & 135 Art). None of them are small.
Watched these guys the other day and found it interesting during the Face/Eye detect portion (around 8:45 into the video) they show how the Z6 compares to the A7 III and EOS R, if accurate it shows that Sony and Canon have better "eye" detection technology vs. Nikon; however, how will this actually play out in the real world. Coming from Nikon DSLR's I've been using 3D tracking for years, this was not "face" detecting at all, simply putting my point of focus on the eye and holding the back button focus while recomposing my shot, sure the Sony's Eye Detect looks very impressive, but will that mean I won't be able to get the shots I used to get with the Z6, I don't think so but I'd also be curious what those with the Z7/Z6 are getting with regard to sharp/in focus eyes when using shallow DOF lenses like f/1.8 and f/1.4's?
I didn't have much time today (damn work). Quick late afternoon dog walk in the nearby forest, so I had a chance to test some of the higher ISO shots with just the kit lens. I think the results are pretty usable though it would be way more comfortable with f1.4 and not f4.
Watched these guys the other day and found it interesting during the Face/Eye detect portion (around 8:45 into the video) they show how the Z6 compares to the A7 III and EOS R, if accurate it shows that Sony and Canon have better "eye" detection technology vs. Nikon; however, how will this actually play out in the real world. Coming from Nikon DSLR's I've been using 3D tracking for years, this was not "face" detecting at all, simply putting my point of focus on the eye and holding the back button focus while recomposing my shot, sure the Sony's Eye Detect looks very impressive, but will that mean I won't be able to get the shots I used to get with the Z6, I don't think so but I'd also be curious what those with the Z7/Z6 are getting with regard to sharp/in focus eyes when using shallow DOF lenses like f/1.8 and f/1.4's?...Show more →
If you shoot either of the Z Cameras like you did with your DSLRs it will get you great results. Where the Z cameras are behind is Eye AF, and tracking moving subjects. So, yes you will get great images with the focus and recompose methods.
Nice shots Tek9, I love anything to do with dogs. It is just amazing how good the sensors are getting. Shots that good at ISO 5600 is really fantastic.
1bwana1 wrote:
Nice shots Tek9, I love anything to do with dogs. It is just amazing how good the sensors are getting. Shots that good at ISO 5600 is really fantastic.
You've got a Sony camera, but you just can't live without Nikon. Sell it and get a Nikon Z, forget the Eye AF...
You'll end up doing it sooner or later...
wjmeyer wrote:
I'd also be curious what those with the Z7/Z6 are getting with regard to sharp/in focus eyes when using shallow DOF lenses like f/1.8 and f/1.4's?
I shot half of the event on Saturday with adapted 28mm lens (mostly at F2) with external flash. Face detect on. Dark indoors with lots of very variable lighting. Played around in manual mode so different mix of iso, sometimes dragging the shutter speed etc.
I don't think I had to discard any shots because the eyes were not in focus.
^^^ So this is just allowing the camera to detect the face, I'd be happy with those pics as well though the 28mm is a bit more forgiving than an 85 or 105... still, looks like Face Detect is doing a great job and in low light to boot.
1bwana1 wrote:
If you shoot either of the Z Cameras like you did with your DSLRs it will get you great results. Where the Z cameras are behind is Eye AF, and tracking moving subjects. So, yes you will get great images with the focus and recompose methods.
Not just focus and recompose, focus and 3D Tracking recompose, something the Z series does not have (3D Tracking).
cvrle59 wrote:
You've got a Sony camera, but you just can't live without Nikon. Sell it and get a Nikon Z, forget the Eye AF...
You'll end up doing it sooner or later...
No, I am very happy with my A7RIII. I wanted the Z7, bought it and returned it. I may be a buyer for a gen II Nikon mirrorless if they improve a few things. I do think the Z6 is priced more appropriately in comparison to its direct competitors than the Z7.
On the D700 there's a setting that, when in A or S mode, allows the unused command dial to act as exposure compensation. I can't seem to find that on the Z6. Does anyone know if there's still a way to do that?
Excuse my ignorance, but I've seen many commenters in this thread state that the Z6 doesn't have 3D tracking. Is the Z6 different from the Z7 in this regard? Reviews of the Z7 indicate it does have a 3D tracking mode, accessed from the auto mode. Granted, the procedure to reach 3D tracking on the Z7 is different and more complex than on Nikon DSLRs, but the mode is there. From a couple of the Z7 reviews:
"The 3D tracking mode is actually hidden inside the Auto Area AF that chooses the autofocus point for you. If you hit “Ok”, the camera activates 3D tracking, which locks onto a subject and follows it around the frame."
"AF Tracking is available from Auto area mode. To engage Tracking mode you need to press the OK button (when using the viewfinder) or tap on the screen to select a subject. Half-pressing the shutter or hitting OK again will track the subject. However, unlike the '3D Tracking' in Nikon's DSLRs, you need to press OK again to reset the point, rather than just pressing the shutter to start tracking and releasing it to reset."
Nikon didn't include a "3D-tracking" mode among the choices for AF operation, but there is a 3D tracking mode underneath "auto". Yes, you activate this differently and it takes an extra step, but it's there. Am I missing something here? Does the Z6 lack this feature?
