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p.20 #1 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


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Does C1 have a mobile device component to it? LR CC subscription comes with a large storage space for your catalog and it is accessible from any mobile device. I think I'd like to add that kind of capability to my workflow.


it actually has a far better option for shooting with an art director or client.
https://www.phaseone.com/en/CO8/capture-pilot



Dec 03, 2018 at 11:26 PM
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p.20 #2 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Unless I’ve missed something, Capture Pilot seems pretty basic. It only allows local devices on the same network to see the library and you can only view, rate or tag images.

With LR CC your catalog in the stored on their server. In addition to the storage space you can make edits to images and it’s synced across all your devices. That seems very powerful.



Dec 04, 2018 at 02:10 AM
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p.20 #3 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


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I still am a subscription holder to Adobe CC, and use Photoshop and After effects and Premiere, but i spent the extra money because i feel my RAW conversions are superior in C1 and the time saving with editing.


I've moved from Photoshop to Affinity Photo, great program, also their Designer. Have not used Photoshop since I got my head around these, the workflow is pretty straightforward.

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wjmeyer wrote:
Because I abhor subscription services. Back when Adobe offered upgrades for LR they were $79 and I only needed them every two years at the most, compare $79 for two years to $240 for the subscription service over the same span of time, and if you can wait three years the savings keeps going.

This really takes us off topic from this thread and I apologize but wanted to explain my personal rationale behind this.


I think this is perfectly on topic, as many of us will be in a similar situation once they get their Z6/7-having to find a new RAW processor because they either use LR CS6 (that's what I do/did, too) or even Capture NX2 (me too, on occasion-just love those U-points).

I also hate subscriptions, and have used the Black Friday offer to buy C1pro, but for each program, there are pro's and con's when looking at pricing only:

(1) Adobe: The subscription at $10/month has also made me "hate" that company (among others-here's looking at you, Microsoft) and buy the full CS6 while it was still available. However, as far as I get it, you will only lose the ability to change things in your edited photos when you cancel your subscription. Still possible to export, so at least there's that.

(2) Capture One: Price of admission 350€ over here (including tax), with 10% discount coupons easily found on the web. They offer a subscription model at 220€/year. However, at least since version 10, they do seem to change their version number on a yearly basis, each time charging 150€ for the upgrade (Is that correct? Can't see the price on their website.). Less than half of the new version, but still more than a LR subscription will cost you in a year. At least from version 10-12, you get more interesting features added for the price than with LR, though (I really don't give a d*mn about their cloud services).

(3) On1 Photo RAW: New program $100, yearly update $80. Are they nuts? I went for On1 when it came out, as it seemed to be a nice option, and then after a year of running a program that was sluggish and buggy, they ask for 80% of the original price for an update (which included new bugs). I really like the feature set in this software, but due to it being slow as hell on my Mac (ok, it's from 2011, but still...), I haven't started using it on a regular basis. It has layers (advantage over LR) and both HDR and panorama stitching (advantage over C1), and after all is still cheaper than both programs, but they should really sort out performance and bugs.

(4) DXO PhotoLab, 200€ in the "Elite" edition-haven't really looked into this, but it's also an option, especially if you loved your U-points with NX2. I have no idea about their update pricing policy.

Price-wise, the Adobe subscription doesn't look THAT bad in comparison, IMHO. But I also hate subscription models, so I went for C1pro, which I'll try to learn over the following weeks. One big minus though: I'm still using Mac OS 10.11.6 (because I need to run Office 2011 for work), and C1 version 12 needs a newer OS, which will make me "lose" several programs I use on a regular basis. I've installed HighSierra on a separate partition just to run C1, now.

Mind, this comparison was about pricing only, with people on the web saying they like the C1 workflow better, and both C1 and On1 producing nicer RAW conversions (on this, opinions differ), so this is something one should also take into account when deciding for one solution.

On1 Photo RAW looks like an interesting alternative, but they really p*ssed me off with their pricing plan. I'd be ok with updates at 50% of the price of a new version, but not 80%... but then, compare that with what you pay for the other two, and so far, every new version added many new features. I'll keep it around and learn C1 in the meantime.

Markus




Dec 04, 2018 at 03:16 AM
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p.20 #4 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread




Bohemien wrote:
I've moved from Photoshop to Affinity Photo, great program, also their Designer. Have not used Photoshop since I got my head around these, the workflow is pretty straightforward.

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I think this is perfectly on topic, as many of us will be in a similar situation once they get their Z6/7-having to find a new RAW processor because they either use LR CS6 (that's what I do/did, too) or even Capture NX2 (me too, on occasion-just love those U-points).

I also hate subscriptions, and have used the Black Friday offer to buy C1pro, but for each program, there are pro's and con's when
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I use ON1, so just to add, 2019 version includes focus stacking as well.
I didn't try it yet, but I will as soon as they update Z6 support.
It is slow, but my work flow isn't that heavy either, otherwise, it checks all my boxes.



Dec 04, 2018 at 06:15 AM
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p.20 #5 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


I use DXO PL2 as my primary RAW editor, and export to either LR6/Affinity Photo/Exposure X3 for any further tweaking.

DXO PL2 is a fantastic editor IMO. It does lack some features compared to LR (no HDR, no Pano stitching, worse edge-aware brushes, no radial graduated filter, no luminosity masking), but I can always export to LR6 for those.

The two biggest reasons why I love DXO PL2 are its PRIME noise reduction, and their Lens Softness correction module. DXO PL2 delivers incredibly sharp files with very little noise when using these features.

Is it perfect? No. But it's a damn good editor. For those wondering about the upgrade policy, they released PL 2 roughly a year after PL was released, and the upgrade price was $70. However, I upgraded during their Black Friday deal, and it only cost me $35.



Dec 04, 2018 at 08:14 AM
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p.20 #6 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Replying to my own post regarding battery life:

For this test basketball game, shot just over 650 RAW+JPG all with AF-C, CH, with 5% battery life left on the initial charge of the included EN-EL-15b battery. Subsequently, using an older original EN-EL-15 (no 'a') battery got over 1200 shots RAW+JPG on a mix of street and night photography, all AF-S, S, with IBIS on, and using viewfinder priority.

Haven't tried video, but for stills photography, I'd say the battery life is pretty decent.


tonyc90 wrote:
Tried out the Z6 and 70-200/2.8 v2 at a local college women's basketball game. Some images below. Overall, it's no d5, and never advertised as such, but with additional getting used to it's own capabilities, definitely could be used for some sports. I found the wide small and dynamic continuous AF most effective in this situation. Single point resulted in lots of missed AF. The slight lag in the EVF was disconcerting at first; something to get used to. That was probably the biggest initial negative for me with regards to action photography. The below are straight OOC jpegs with
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Dec 04, 2018 at 08:25 AM
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p.20 #7 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


I use DxO PL2 as well for the same reasons. It’s a very good RAW converter without special tricks; no DAM facilities.
I’m told Z7 support will be in Januari and Z6 in Februari, so they’re pretty late to the party.
I’m more leaning towards C1 at the moment.

ijm5012 wrote:
I use DXO PL2 as my primary RAW editor, and export to either LR6/Affinity Photo/Exposure X3 for any further tweaking.

DXO PL2 is a fantastic editor IMO. It does lack some features compared to LR (no HDR, no Pano stitching, worse edge-aware brushes, no radial graduated filter, no luminosity masking), but I can always export to LR6 for those.

The two biggest reasons why I love DXO PL2 are its PRIME noise reduction, and their Lens Softness correction module. DXO PL2 delivers incredibly sharp files with very little noise when using these features.

Is it perfect? No. But it's a damn
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Dec 04, 2018 at 09:47 AM
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p.20 #8 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Bohemien wrote:
The SmallRig L-bracket (https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-l-bracket-for-nikon-z6-and-nikon-z7-camera-2258.html) adds some length to the grip (but also ca. 150g of weight). Maybe that would solve your problem?

If you order it, make sure to also consider ordering the extension for the FTZ adapter to help support the adapter with long and heavy telephoto lenses.

Markus


Ordered one as well. Let's see which comes first.



Dec 04, 2018 at 10:46 AM
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p.20 #9 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Bohemien wrote:
I think this is perfectly on topic [...

On1 Photo RAW looks like an interesting alternative, but they really p*ssed me off with their pricing plan. I'd be ok with updates at 50% of the price of a new version, but not 80%... but then, compare that with what you pay for the other two, and so far, every new version added many new features. I'll keep it around and learn C1 in the meantime.

Markus



Well, for most non-pretentious work, my PP is done almost completely on Capture NX-D. I love to see the colors and the white Balance exactly like in camera. This software had bugs in the past and worked slowly. Now works fast on my PC and no anymore crashes. Some months ago Nikon re-introduced the control points, that NX2 feature that was so appreciated. Works as a charm but I believe most people does not know about this improvement. The software is easy to use, knows about dual monitors and let you launch your picture for further PP in your favorite editor (as tiff). You can create your own Picture Controls to speed up the productivity.

In some situation I use ON1 Photo Raw 2019 incarnation. Yes, it still has bugs but works much faster than any previous version. Can open directly RAW files and works as a charm with my Z6 files. From all software I tested is the one who sees the RAWs almost like NX-D, no altering the color or WB. I'm not mastering yet ON1 but it is very powerful. As a bonus, it launches the old Silver / Color Efex Pro suite, so many options for creativity. Yes, it is upgraded every year but each upgrade is really significant in features. There is a huge difference between 2018 and 2019 versions. You can download a trial version.

Mihai



Dec 04, 2018 at 11:19 AM
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p.20 #10 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Chris Dees wrote:
Ordered one as well. Let's see which comes first.


The way it seems to go at the moment, I'll have the L-plate before I get the camera...



Dec 04, 2018 at 12:22 PM
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p.20 #11 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Mishu01 wrote:
Well, for most non-pretentious work, my PP is done almost completely on Capture NX-D. I love to see the colors and the white Balance exactly like in camera. This software had bugs in the past and worked slowly. Now works fast on my PC and no anymore crashes. Some months ago Nikon re-introduced the control points, that NX2 feature that was so appreciated. Works as a charm but I believe most people does not know about this improvement. The software is easy to use, knows about dual monitors and let you launch your picture for further PP in your favorite
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My impression is that ON1 still doesn't have support for Z6, I didn't even try to open it, I'm kind of surprised (will try it tonight)?
ON1 responded to my e-mail a week back that they were gonna have it in a few weeks.




Dec 04, 2018 at 01:29 PM
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p.20 #12 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


cvrle59 wrote:
My impression is that ON1 still doesn't have support for Z6, I didn't even try to open it, I'm kind of surprised (will try it tonight)?
ON1 responded to my e-mail a week back that they were gonna have it in a few weeks.



I just browsed the folder and ON1 see all Z6 pics (nef not jpeg or tiff). Then I opened a few, working on them, and no problem. At least on ON1 PhotoRAW 2019 for WIN10. I may have luck... I dunno... but's working.




Dec 04, 2018 at 02:14 PM
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p.20 #13 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Mishu01 wrote:
I just browsed the folder and ON1 see all Z6 pics (nef not jpeg or tiff). Then I opened a few, working on them, and no problem. At least on ON1 PhotoRAW 2019 for WIN10. I may have luck... I dunno... but's working.



I just tried it, I can open raw files.....
Thanks for this discover!



Dec 04, 2018 at 02:22 PM
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p.20 #14 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Struggling with a choice to pp with after using LR and PS for a very long time. I do hate their subscription policy so decided to make a move...but not enjoying trying . I am trying to use Capture NX D to convert the RAW and then playing with a converted TIFF in DXO. I suck with them all!!

It is so ugly here this time of year that it is difficult to capture anything worth looking at. Just holding my nose and seeing if I can tell anything from ugly pictures .







Dec 04, 2018 at 08:01 PM
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p.20 #15 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


cvrle59 wrote:
I just tried it, I can open raw files.....
Thanks for this discover!


You're welcome! Enjoy the toy!




Dec 04, 2018 at 09:35 PM
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p.20 #16 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


On1 has its performance issues, but it is a great tool for editing. Also supported by a great set of training videos. Since the release of the latest version, I am using LR less and less.

I find LR faster for a quick edit. But On1 is better when you need to do more advanced things with layers and masking. Things you might have had to do in Photoshop.



Dec 04, 2018 at 10:22 PM
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p.20 #17 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


What profile in Picture Control does everyone here use, it is so confusing.
When you looking to the back screen, ViewNX or ON1 (raw converter).
Actually back screen will present current camera preset, as well as ViewNX, but you can change it in ViewNX.
I really don't like any of those presets, they are so cooked and over saturated.
When I open raw file in ON1, it looks like emended .jpg preview is carried over from camera preset, but once it gets converted, it shows up as Flat camera preset, and you need to work hard to get it right.
ON1 can open raw files, but I don't think it's got everything in as it should be.
One thing is obvious, it doesn't have lens correction yet. It recognizes it, but it opens as uncorrected, which is a huge difference in size and shape than one cooked from camera, by picture profile.
Am I missing something here, please comment?
Thanks!

P.S. I like much better what I'm getting from ON1 converter vs. ViewNX!



Dec 04, 2018 at 11:32 PM
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p.20 #18 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


cvrle59 wrote:
What profile in Picture Control does everyone here use, it is so confusing.
When you looking to the back screen, ViewNX or ON1 (raw converter).
Actually back screen will present current camera preset, as well as ViewNX, but you can change it in ViewNX.
I really don't like any of those presets, they are so cooked and over saturated.
When I open raw file in ON1, it looks like emended .jpg preview is carried over from camera preset, but once it gets converted, it shows up as Flat camera preset, and you need to work hard to get it right.
ON1 can open raw
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For years I leaved the camera on Standard Picture Control. Lately I found it sometimes too aggressive so I prefer to start from scratch with Flat Picture Control. This because I do basic PP in Capture NX-D. For special projects, after first basic things I save in tiff and work that with ON1. There are other times when I work the nef's directly on ON1 but I do not think the original Picture Controls are considered in this situation. I'm not knowing well this software but everytime it is surprising me in a good way. Definitely is very capable and also it is intuitive to work with. My only problem is the lack of time



Dec 05, 2018 at 08:01 AM
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p.20 #19 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread



Could you post your workspace for everyone? It looks like a very good layout.


turbodude wrote:

I have a workspace i can send you that makes it feel like lightroom. Lightroom is built on super slow archaic architecture. Doesnt use multi-threading and is 10 times slower at churning raws on my machine (Ryzen 1950X 16core, with 128GB ram, 1TB 970 Pro work drive). yes 10 times... 350 d850 raws on export in LR took 27minutes, while c1 literally took 2min 40 sec. Lightroom gets bloated and requires you to save everything to their DAM. Capture 1 is able to use hardware acceleration as well as multithreading And gives you the option to create "Sessions" for every
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Dec 05, 2018 at 09:25 AM
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p.20 #20 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


here you go.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/egpzofq9d72o99s/Capture1_Powersworkspace.xml?dl=0



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