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Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review

  
 
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p.23 #1 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


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A shot from yesterday:

http://www.jordansteele.com/2019/hayden_roses.jpg


Love that ^^



Jan 11, 2019 at 03:38 PM
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p.23 #2 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Thanks.

The more I shoot with this little guy, the more I like it. I do notice I really need to be careful about focusing, though. I am seeing some field curvature when I focus near infinity, though at close distances, the plane seems to be rather flat. But if there's distant detail, I need to focus close to infinity to get sharp edges.

@ f/8:






@ f/3.5:






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@ f/5.6:







Jan 11, 2019 at 08:30 PM
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p.23 #3 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Two from this morning. First is a smooth reflections-like stack of 12 8 second exposures.














Jan 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM
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p.23 #4 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


New here.. just bought the 21mm 3.5 and love it. I'm actually liking 21mm so much that I'm thinking I should have maybe bought the 21mm f/1.8 Ultron instead, because I do like to shoot in low light.
(I do however really like the size of the skopar)
Did anyone compare the 2?



Jan 16, 2019 at 04:23 PM
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p.23 #5 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Definitely a no-go. The new Skopar is designed specifically for the Sony sensor glass. The ultrawides designed for film (or Leica digital) don't fare well. Just Google "voigtlander corner smearing" for more info.

Maybe we'll get lucky and see one for Sony in the future, but I'd like a compact 28/2 and 90/2.8 (or 3.5) first.

waltb wrote:
New here.. just bought the 21mm 3.5 and love it. I'm actually liking 21mm so much that I'm thinking I should have maybe bought the 21mm f/1.8 Ultron instead, because I do like to shoot in low light.
(I do however really like the size of the skopar)
Did anyone compare the 2?




Jan 16, 2019 at 08:02 PM
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p.23 #6 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


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Definitely a no-go. The new Skopar is designed specifically for the Sony sensor glass. The ultrawides designed for film (or Leica digital) don't fare well. Just Google "voigtlander corner smearing" for more info.

Maybe we'll get lucky and see one for Sony in the future, but I'd like a compact 28/2 and 90/2.8 (or 3.5) first.



Thank you! That's what I needed to know. So the loxia is the only alternative..




Jan 17, 2019 at 04:36 AM
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p.23 #7 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Just got mine. Not sure how I feel about it yet, the left side of the frame seems a tad soft. What do you guys think?




Jan 17, 2019 at 05:46 AM
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p.23 #8 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


waltb wrote:
Thank you! That's what I needed to know. So the loxia is the only alternative..



Tokina 20mm f2



Jan 17, 2019 at 06:54 AM
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p.23 #9 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


imagesfromobjects wrote:
Definitely a no-go. The new Skopar is designed specifically for the Sony sensor glass. The ultrawides designed for film (or Leica digital) don't fare well. Just Google "voigtlander corner smearing" for more info.

Maybe we'll get lucky and see one for Sony in the future, but I'd like a compact 28/2 and 90/2.8 (or 3.5) first.




That's utterly inaccurate--the CV 21/1.8 is a retrofocus design and does not run into any sensor limitations (unlike much of the rest of the M-mount wide lenses). From what I've seen and read from others, it's incredibly sharp and works really well with the Sony sensor glass. There is a user here <retrofocus> who has a lot of experience with the lens.

Cheers,
Daniel



Jan 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM
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p.23 #10 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


I owned and loved both the M mount Color Skopar 25/4 and Ultron 28/2. The Ultron did pretty well on Sony, but definitely not as well as the E Mount Skopar.

If the poster wants to check it out, there are Flickr galleries or they can rent one, but - as someone who shoots exclusively in available light - I looked into the 21/1.8 quite a bit and decided to skip it. This is, of course, a personal call, but I'm not a pixel peeper and still figured it wasn't worth it for me.

There are other alternatives listed here:


https://phillipreeve.net/blog/voigtlander-21mm-f35-review/


expwmbat wrote:
That's utterly inaccurate--the CV 21/1.8 is a retrofocus design and does not run into any sensor limitations (unlike much of the rest of the M-mount wide lenses). From what I've seen and read from others, it's incredibly sharp and works really well with the Sony sensor glass. There is a user here <retrofocus> who has a lot of experience with the lens.

Cheers,
Daniel




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p.23 #11 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


I’ve followed this (long!) thread with great interest for some time now. Thank you all for all the contributions, the tests, the discussions, the images. I really prize small, lightweight, and relatively cheapish lenses, and don’t need really fast f/1.4, etc. I liked what I was reading, and, having spent half my life shooting with lenses before AF existed, manual lenses don’t phase me.
So I took the plunge and bought one. Indeed, I’ve now sampled two copies, from different UK sources, both companies with a good reputation. I’m mostly a landscape photographer, and therefore need good DOF, along with edge and corner sharpness. When I get a lens I test it for de-centredness, using the test suggested earlier in this thread, and then I use a real-life viewpoint to test at various apertures from f5.6 to f11, focussing at various slightly different distances, to try to find the best combination of sharpness at infinity, and with nearer objects, before diffraction sets in.
My first copy of the CV 21mm was clearly somewhat de-centred, with the top and bottom right corners being weaker, especially the bottom right. This was even more marked when I went from infinity to objects about 3m distant. The second copy was less decentred, especially at infinity, but was still weaker on the right, though this time it was worse on the top right.
When shooting a real life landscape, I found that I simply could not get good sharpness across the frame at less than f5.6. Even at f11, I could not get both sides equally sharp. With the focus at the hard-stop, the corners would be sharp, but nothing else was. By putting the focus about 1-4mm down, depending on the aperture, I could achieve the best overall sharpness. By the time I get to the 2m mark, no distant object is sharp any longer. I tested using the A7rii and my original A7, and the results were the same. I too found some strange dips in sharpness in places in the frame, the mid-field dip others have mentioned, but by f8-f11 this is much less noticeable.
I then compared this performance with the Batis 25mm, and the tiny Samyang 24mm f2.8. A different focal length I know, but close enough to be able to draw some conclusions. The Batis definitely has more consistency across the frame, but is no sharper for probably 80% of the image area. The Samyang (I had to get a second copy of this to get a well-centred one) is just not quite as sharp on the 42MP, though on 24MP it looks very similar, even to the Batis! However, the Samyang does fall away towards the edges, and the extreme corners are really quite smeary. It is also useless unless shot at f9-f11, as the corners are unacceptable. Both my Batis and my Samyang show no obvious de-centredness however.
So all in all, I am maybe just a little disappointed, or maybe I just have excessive expectations. I wanted the CV 21mm to have something just a bit wider than 24mm, but light and small enough for carrying when out hiking. With 42MP, I also knew I could crop to 24mm, or even more, and still have plenty of pixels to print up to A3+ size.



Jan 18, 2019 at 09:49 AM
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p.23 #12 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


jcmurray56 wrote:
I’ve followed this (long!) thread with great interest for some time now. Thank you all for all the contributions, the tests, the discussions, the images. I really prize small, lightweight, and relatively cheapish lenses, and don’t need really fast f/1.4, etc. I liked what I was reading, and, having spent half my life shooting with lenses before AF existed, manual lenses don’t phase me.
So I took the plunge and bought one. Indeed, I’ve now sampled two copies, from different UK sources, both companies with a good reputation. I’m mostly a landscape photographer, and therefore need good DOF, along with edge
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Sorry for your troubles. I've not actually 'tested' mine - I'm not sure I want to...... - but I've not noticed anything wrong so far with the images I've taken. I will say though, they haven't been full infinity style images. I bought mine direct from Robert White.



Jan 18, 2019 at 03:17 PM
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p.23 #13 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


One from this very frigid morning (-6°F):








Jan 21, 2019 at 08:59 AM
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p.23 #14 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


One from Christmas in beautiful Rome

Sony ILCE-7RM3
Voigtlander COLOR-SKOPAR 21mm F3.5 Aspherical
5 vertical pano stitched








Jan 23, 2019 at 07:28 AM
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p.23 #15 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Really loving this lens so far..



Edited on Jan 28, 2019 at 05:23 PM · View previous versions



Jan 25, 2019 at 08:51 AM
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p.23 #16 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


First time post....hope it works!

Think I've figured out the way to handle infinity with this lens after a couple of trips

Plymouth Sound (UK) on a quiet Sunday morning



Breakwater #2 by David Fleming, on Flickr



Jan 26, 2019 at 07:31 AM
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p.23 #17 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


davidflem wrote:
First time post....hope it works!

Think I've figured out the way to handle infinity with this lens after a couple of trips

Plymouth Sound (UK) on a quiet Sunday morning

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4880/46828024142_05fc0c05d4_b.jpg

Breakwater #2 by David Fleming, on Flickr


Welcome from the UK also!

I don't think I've actually taken any 'infinity' images with mine yet!!



Jan 26, 2019 at 01:00 PM
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p.23 #18 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


It was this thread that pointed me in the right direction re holding off the hard stop


Jan 26, 2019 at 03:32 PM
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p.23 #19 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Tinside Lido on Plymouth Hoe during the winter maintenance holiday



Breakwater #3 by David Fleming, on Flickr



Jan 27, 2019 at 06:54 AM
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p.23 #20 · Voigtlander 21mm f/3.5 Color Skopar Review


Just note that this might vary by lens. On mine, the hard stop is exactly where I need to be for the best cross frame sharpness at infinity.

davidflem wrote:
It was this thread that pointed me in the right direction re holding off the hard stop




Jan 27, 2019 at 09:23 AM
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