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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.10 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
bushwacker wrote:
YiM1 is a Chinese m43rds camera.
The ZX1 is going to be made in China.Yongnuo got problems naming their first mirrorless camera...
https://petapixel.com/2018/10/30/yongnuo-is-developing-a-mirrorless-camera/
At least they have understood the concept of an android based camera, and include 4G connectivity.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/9964342164/yongnuo-teases-yn450-mirrorless-camera-with-android-4g-connectivity
realVivek wrote
The design (shape) of the ZX1 is oddly very similar to the YiM1.YiM1 is a Chinese m43rds camera.
The ZX1 is going to be made in China.
https://petapixel.com/2018/10/30/yongnuo-is-developing-a-mirrorless-camera/
At least they have understood the concept of an android based camera, and include 4G connectivity.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/9964342164/yongnuo-teases-yn450-mirrorless-camera-with-android-4g-connectivity
Oct 31, 2018 at 12:34 PM
p.10 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Based on this poll and the overall reaction from all sites I've read, Zeiss may decide to price it at $2,999 and possibility lose the profits they were expecting to get from it. If the ZX1 does not sell even at this price, Zeiss may have to consider it a "proof of concept" and downgrade it to very low and limited production.
I don't this the ZX1's team is happy with the overall receptivity of their creation. I hope they read forums like ours instead of relying solely on video reviews saying how great it is..
I don't this the ZX1's team is happy with the overall receptivity of their creation. I hope they read forums like ours instead of relying solely on video reviews saying how great it is..
Oct 31, 2018 at 01:10 PM
p.10 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
mogul wrote:
can a Sony designed lens go head to head with a Zeiss (maybe Cosina or Tamron)?
I believe it's full of Sigma DNA, based on the use of Sigma Flash protocol.
can a Sony designed lens go head to head with a Zeiss (maybe Cosina or Tamron)?
I believe it's full of Sigma DNA, based on the use of Sigma Flash protocol.
Oct 31, 2018 at 01:22 PM
p.10 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
bushwacker wrote:
Since it is assembled in China... it will be cheaper than the usual "Made in Japan" markings.
they will need to price it down to : $1200 to $1900 no more than the RX1-original's pricing.
I would be shocked if this came in below $3,000. I am expecting between $3,600-$4,400 upon release. After that, who knows.
nehemiahphoto wrote
I think it all depends on price...but what do I know? I am so far outside the typical user, my shooting preferences are completely against the norm. I can't tell, but given I'd consider a fixed 35mm for 3k maybe I am Zeiss' target market. Having said all this, it does't seem like the ZX1 was answering a market need except for social media and mobile editing and such. Would have loved to see some of these implementations our typical camera. Not a functionality I see myself using, but seems there's clamor for it.they will need to price it down to : $1200 to $1900 no more than the RX1-original's pricing.
I would be shocked if this came in below $3,000. I am expecting between $3,600-$4,400 upon release. After that, who knows.
Oct 31, 2018 at 01:33 PM
p.10 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I don't this the ZX1's team is happy with the overall receptivity of their creation. I hope they read forums like ours instead of relying solely on video reviews saying how great it is..
I hope they do.
I don't this the ZX1's team is happy with the overall receptivity of their creation. I hope they read forums like ours instead of relying solely on video reviews saying how great it is..
I hope they do.
Oct 31, 2018 at 04:02 PM
p.10 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
It seems like a camera in some respects ahead of its time. Many would like the connectivity even as it rankles with traditional photographers who want to get away from the bustle and 'urgency of now'. Remote shooters all back up, some edit on laptops, cards are reliable, time - it's just a few days for most to return.
TBH, I dislike the idea on 'always on' and constant computing when travelling, the multi-tasking gets in the way of vision. Others are maybe different? It looks like a solution in search of a problem.
The practicalities may do it in as a viable product, like early EV, Michael Douglas's mobile in Wall St. My old Fuji GA645 was the same weight for medium format film, similar size, I disliked carrying 100 rolls through airports, lost many images to 40 degree heat one trip.
But a modern FLC is expected to be small and conventional. This one touts as hyper modern but has novice level controls and basic small screen editing. Would love to see the market research, if any. But new concepts lead and produce demand, it's called Says Law. In 1943, the IBM chief stated there was a worldwide demand for maybe five computers. Are we missing anything?
TBH, I dislike the idea on 'always on' and constant computing when travelling, the multi-tasking gets in the way of vision. Others are maybe different? It looks like a solution in search of a problem.
The practicalities may do it in as a viable product, like early EV, Michael Douglas's mobile in Wall St. My old Fuji GA645 was the same weight for medium format film, similar size, I disliked carrying 100 rolls through airports, lost many images to 40 degree heat one trip.
But a modern FLC is expected to be small and conventional. This one touts as hyper modern but has novice level controls and basic small screen editing. Would love to see the market research, if any. But new concepts lead and produce demand, it's called Says Law. In 1943, the IBM chief stated there was a worldwide demand for maybe five computers. Are we missing anything?
Oct 31, 2018 at 05:40 PM
p.10 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Any news on this thing? It's been quiet for a while...
Dec 10, 2018 at 05:33 PM
p.10 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Similarly curious about an update Sony RX1R Mk3. Also quiet.
Dec 10, 2018 at 05:44 PM
p.10 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Nonpedestrian wrote:
Similarly curious about an update Sony RX1R Mk3. Also quiet.
But at least the ZX1 is announced and shipping somewhat soon supposedly. I wonder if Zeiss is stumped after the poor response following the announcement.
Similarly curious about an update Sony RX1R Mk3. Also quiet.
But at least the ZX1 is announced and shipping somewhat soon supposedly. I wonder if Zeiss is stumped after the poor response following the announcement.
Dec 10, 2018 at 07:10 PM
p.10 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
On the official thread, I've read a lot of criticism of the ZX1's modern design but imo, Zeiss is just keeping it consistent with the design of their current lines. (Otus, Milvus, Batis, Touit)
Unfortunately that is true. Hate everything about the Batis design except the optics.
On the official thread, I've read a lot of criticism of the ZX1's modern design but imo, Zeiss is just keeping it consistent with the design of their current lines. (Otus, Milvus, Batis, Touit)
Unfortunately that is true. Hate everything about the Batis design except the optics.
Dec 10, 2018 at 09:20 PM
p.10 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Any news on this thing? It's been quiet for a while...
I love it..."this thing"...
Dec 10, 2018 at 10:18 PM
p.10 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Zeiss' only ace on that zx1 camera is the lens rendering., if it's below RX1's IQ they already lost the game.
Remember when Otus 55 first announced? people were bashing it... it's ugly, huge, pricey, who is going to buy this? and that etc. and ofcourse at the time they have no idea about the IQ.
Dec 11, 2018 at 04:29 AM
p.10 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
When is it coming? It's almost as big as an SL and heavier than a Q. So it better render/work/shoot/be amazing or I'll give it a miss.
Dec 11, 2018 at 06:30 AM
p.10 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Hope they're busy on the Zed-mount version of Milvus. 25/2 or 28/2 or both.
Dec 12, 2018 at 04:34 PM
p.10 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
What is a "zed" mount ?!?
And I dont think Zeiss would be well advised to change the "Hollywood" 28/2.
And I dont think Zeiss would be well advised to change the "Hollywood" 28/2.
Dec 13, 2018 at 04:26 AM
p.10 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Sauseschritt wrote:
What is a "zed" mount ?!?
My guess would be the new Nikon Z-mount?
What is a "zed" mount ?!?
My guess would be the new Nikon Z-mount?
Dec 13, 2018 at 04:37 AM
p.10 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
Now that we know more about the new Zeiss ZX1,
So, what do you think?
A detailed comparison between this and the Leica Q are needed. The Q sells a lot better than most here would guess. There is a lot of love for the Q as a 2nd camera for the S, SL, and M users. Even among the CL crowd as well. So don't think that there isn't a market for a FF point and shoot with a 35mm lens. The Q proved that there is such a market.
Bottom line will be the IQ, many FF Leica users are begging Leica to up the pixel count to 40, the Zeiss is close enough to 40 to tempt some away from the Q if all else is equal.
Size won't be an issue amongst their target market. UI and IQ are #1, low light performance is #2 and water resistance is #3; those are their priorities based upon comments on the Leica forum.
Now that we know more about the new Zeiss ZX1,
So, what do you think?
A detailed comparison between this and the Leica Q are needed. The Q sells a lot better than most here would guess. There is a lot of love for the Q as a 2nd camera for the S, SL, and M users. Even among the CL crowd as well. So don't think that there isn't a market for a FF point and shoot with a 35mm lens. The Q proved that there is such a market.
Bottom line will be the IQ, many FF Leica users are begging Leica to up the pixel count to 40, the Zeiss is close enough to 40 to tempt some away from the Q if all else is equal.
Size won't be an issue amongst their target market. UI and IQ are #1, low light performance is #2 and water resistance is #3; those are their priorities based upon comments on the Leica forum.
Dec 13, 2018 at 11:20 AM
p.10 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
nhsonyshooter wrote:
Unfortunately that is true. Hate everything about the Batis design except the optics.
Zeiss has learned from the Otus that they need to return to their roots. Produce outstanding IQ. All else is secondary.
There is a trend of moving back to manual controls. Real shooters are realizing the fallacies of auto everything. Real photographers want total control of the subject, focus, and exposure; hmmm....
The buyers of the Otus and Milvus lenses WANT MF and ME, the sales numbers support this.
Leica M users have also proven that in 2018 there is still a large number of photographers that don't want auto anything.
Those people only want great optics with fabulous IQ.
Fred Miranda wrote
On the official thread, I've read a lot of criticism of the ZX1's modern design but imo, Zeiss is just keeping it consistent with the design of their current lines. (Otus, Milvus, Batis, Touit)Zeiss has learned from the Otus that they need to return to their roots. Produce outstanding IQ. All else is secondary.
There is a trend of moving back to manual controls. Real shooters are realizing the fallacies of auto everything. Real photographers want total control of the subject, focus, and exposure; hmmm....
The buyers of the Otus and Milvus lenses WANT MF and ME, the sales numbers support this.
Leica M users have also proven that in 2018 there is still a large number of photographers that don't want auto anything.
Those people only want great optics with fabulous IQ.
Dec 13, 2018 at 11:29 AM
p.10 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
IMHO, this could be my dream camera for my brother. But I think the execution from Zeiss failed the camera, as in what market to go after.
Being a camera with Android loaded means that it's capable of having a lot of apps for the camera that manipulate the control of the camera at a low level (from raw rendering to image post-processing and even shoot settings). Think what Sony did with A7 series up to II and go 100x wilder.
I need a good camera (IQ-wise) for my brother that's easy to carry while requiring minimum effort to take pictures of F&F without having them to learn everything about photography.
Smartphones are taking this space because many apps like Instagram have filters loaded and can easily provide visual pleasing images with minimum effort. Nevertheless, if there were something that has pro-camera-rivaling image quality, I'd get in a heartbeat. It's a niche... but a niche that no one has yet explored.
Being a camera with Android loaded means that it's capable of having a lot of apps for the camera that manipulate the control of the camera at a low level (from raw rendering to image post-processing and even shoot settings). Think what Sony did with A7 series up to II and go 100x wilder.
I need a good camera (IQ-wise) for my brother that's easy to carry while requiring minimum effort to take pictures of F&F without having them to learn everything about photography.
Smartphones are taking this space because many apps like Instagram have filters loaded and can easily provide visual pleasing images with minimum effort. Nevertheless, if there were something that has pro-camera-rivaling image quality, I'd get in a heartbeat. It's a niche... but a niche that no one has yet explored.
Dec 13, 2018 at 05:13 PM
p.10 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
BrianC inAZ wrote:
Unfortunately that is true. Hate everything about the Batis design except the optics.Zeiss has learned from the Otus that they need to return to their roots. Produce outstanding IQ. All else is secondary.
There is a trend of moving back to manual controls. Real shooters are realizing the fallacies of auto everything. Real photographers want total control of the subject, focus, and exposure; hmmm....
The buyers of the Otus and Milvus lenses WANT MF and ME, the sales numbers support this.
Leica M users have also proven that in 2018 there is still a large number of photographers that don't want auto anything.
Those people only want great optics with fabulous IQ.
Zeiss has learned nothing in my opinion. They continue to produce Batis lenses that are unnecessarily plump. People want small and compact. The ZX-1 is just another example of the disconnect between what Zeiss "thinks" people want, and what they really want. And the sales will prove that out. Right now they are still trying to figure out what to price this thing at which can help them save face. Honestly I'd take the RX1Rii all day long over that thing no matter what they priced it at. And I was very excited when the rumors for it first came out.
nhsonyshooter wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
On the official thread, I've read a lot of criticism of the ZX1's modern design but imo, Zeiss is just keeping it consistent with the design of their current lines. (Otus, Milvus, Batis, Touit)There is a trend of moving back to manual controls. Real shooters are realizing the fallacies of auto everything. Real photographers want total control of the subject, focus, and exposure; hmmm....
The buyers of the Otus and Milvus lenses WANT MF and ME, the sales numbers support this.
Leica M users have also proven that in 2018 there is still a large number of photographers that don't want auto anything.
Those people only want great optics with fabulous IQ.
Zeiss has learned nothing in my opinion. They continue to produce Batis lenses that are unnecessarily plump. People want small and compact. The ZX-1 is just another example of the disconnect between what Zeiss "thinks" people want, and what they really want. And the sales will prove that out. Right now they are still trying to figure out what to price this thing at which can help them save face. Honestly I'd take the RX1Rii all day long over that thing no matter what they priced it at. And I was very excited when the rumors for it first came out.
Dec 13, 2018 at 07:45 PM