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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.44 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Grenache wrote:
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳
I meant medium format
nehemiahphoto wrote
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.I meant medium format
Jan 13, 2022 at 12:02 AM
p.44 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
nehemiahphoto wrote:
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳I meant medium format
Doh!
Grenache wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.Doh!
Jan 13, 2022 at 12:11 AM
p.44 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Yep, whoever bring a modern SWC, it will become an instant classic and sell a lot.
nehemiahphoto wrote:
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳I meant medium format
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Grenache wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.Jan 13, 2022 at 12:42 AM
p.44 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
zhangyue wrote:
Yep, whoever bring a modern SWC, it will become an instant classic and sell a lot.
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳I meant medium format
Totally agree and am a bit surprised we haven’t see a fixed lens MF/high IQ and portability camera yet. I am guessing the makers feel it would cannibalizes their own or don’t see the demand (or want to take the risk).
Yep, whoever bring a modern SWC, it will become an instant classic and sell a lot.
nehemiahphoto wrote
Grenache wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.Totally agree and am a bit surprised we haven’t see a fixed lens MF/high IQ and portability camera yet. I am guessing the makers feel it would cannibalizes their own or don’t see the demand (or want to take the risk).
Jan 13, 2022 at 01:54 AM
p.44 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
nehemiahphoto wrote:
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳I meant medium format Totally agree and am a bit surprised we haven’t see a fixed lens MF/high IQ and portability camera yet. I am guessing the makers feel it would cannibalizes their own or don’t see the demand (or want to take the risk).
I feel (but I might be wrong) that MF today is a real niche, I mean much more than during the film era. a SWC was a must have because there was no alternative if you wanted the best IQ with the lightest gear. Nowadays, with cameras like the sony RIV and a 12 24mm on it... I'm not sure a digital SWC would fine its place...
zhangyue wrote
Yep, whoever bring a modern SWC, it will become an instant classic and sell a lot.nehemiahphoto wrote
Grenache wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.I feel (but I might be wrong) that MF today is a real niche, I mean much more than during the film era. a SWC was a must have because there was no alternative if you wanted the best IQ with the lightest gear. Nowadays, with cameras like the sony RIV and a 12 24mm on it... I'm not sure a digital SWC would fine its place...
Jan 13, 2022 at 02:32 AM
p.44 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Hasselblad Super Wide 6 x 6 camera with a fixed Biogon 38mm f/4.5 lens. Framing was done via an accessory viewfinder and the lens was scale focused.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/swc.htm
https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/swc.htm
Jan 13, 2022 at 05:25 AM
p.44 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Maybe the best wa at this time with the mamiya 7 43mm, which shared the same formula if I remember correctly.
Jan 13, 2022 at 12:07 PM
p.44 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
hesb wrote:
But the MF is what breaks on the RX1…😳I meant medium format Totally agree and am a bit surprised we haven’t see a fixed lens MF/high IQ and portability camera yet. I am guessing the makers feel it would cannibalizes their own or don’t see the demand (or want to take the risk).I feel (but I might be wrong) that MF today is a real niche, I mean much more than during the film era. a SWC was a must have because there was no alternative if you wanted the best IQ with the lightest gear. Nowadays, with cameras like the sony RIV and a 12 24mm on it... I'm not sure a digital SWC would fine its place...
Yeah, not sure either. I know I would be highly interested in one, and so would a lot of other enthusiasm. But I’m not sure if that’s enough of a market. But I tend to think I niche products that have terrific IQ, usability and small size do well. They could use the GFX sensor size, or go a little bit bigger too. Sony makes all the sensors…Nobody will really know until we see decent version hit market at an attractive price point. If I ever that happens.
nehemiahphoto wrote
zhangyue wrote
Yep, whoever bring a modern SWC, it will become an instant classic and sell a lot.nehemiahphoto wrote
Grenache wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
I thought/hoping maybe they were holding off to gives us an MF RX1. Would buy a very compact MF or FF RX1.Yeah, not sure either. I know I would be highly interested in one, and so would a lot of other enthusiasm. But I’m not sure if that’s enough of a market. But I tend to think I niche products that have terrific IQ, usability and small size do well. They could use the GFX sensor size, or go a little bit bigger too. Sony makes all the sensors…Nobody will really know until we see decent version hit market at an attractive price point. If I ever that happens.
Jan 13, 2022 at 01:07 PM
p.44 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
genji wrote:
Hasselblad Super Wide 6 x 6 camera with a fixed Biogon 38mm f/4.5 lens. Framing was done via an accessory viewfinder and the lens was scale focused.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/swc.htm
Some really nice SWC images here. ( First time I've heard of "SWC") What is the Hasselblad 903 SWC focal length equivalence for the BIOGON T✻ 38mm f/4.5 lens used for these images?
Hasselblad Super Wide 6 x 6 camera with a fixed Biogon 38mm f/4.5 lens. Framing was done via an accessory viewfinder and the lens was scale focused.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/swc.htm
Some really nice SWC images here. ( First time I've heard of "SWC") What is the Hasselblad 903 SWC focal length equivalence for the BIOGON T✻ 38mm f/4.5 lens used for these images?
Jan 13, 2022 at 03:38 PM
p.44 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I mentioned SWC not for the focal length (which is about 21mm diagonal). It is really for the uniqueness for the size and performance.
RX1x is already an impressive machine as is. Having a bigger sensor maybe 4X3 or 1X1 would be an instant classic IMHO we can all dream.
RX1x is already an impressive machine as is. Having a bigger sensor maybe 4X3 or 1X1 would be an instant classic IMHO
we can all dream. Jan 13, 2022 at 04:03 PM
p.44 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
zhangyue wrote:
I mentioned SWC not for the focal length (which is about 21mm diagonal). It is really for the uniqueness for the size and performance.
RX1x is already an impressive machine as is. Having a bigger sensor maybe 4X3 or 1X1 would be an instant classic IMHO we can all dream.
I know there’s disagreement about this but I’ve never believed it makes sense to calculate focal length equivalents based on the diagonal field of view, particularly when the aspect ratios are so different (in this case 1:1 versus 3:2). I personally prefer to compare the horizontal fields of view, which would make the Biogon’s 38mm lens equivalent to about a 17mm.
I mentioned SWC not for the focal length (which is about 21mm diagonal). It is really for the uniqueness for the size and performance.
RX1x is already an impressive machine as is. Having a bigger sensor maybe 4X3 or 1X1 would be an instant classic IMHO
we can all dream. I know there’s disagreement about this but I’ve never believed it makes sense to calculate focal length equivalents based on the diagonal field of view, particularly when the aspect ratios are so different (in this case 1:1 versus 3:2). I personally prefer to compare the horizontal fields of view, which would make the Biogon’s 38mm lens equivalent to about a 17mm.
Jan 13, 2022 at 05:37 PM
p.44 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
genji wrote:
RX1x is already an impressive machine as is. Having a bigger sensor maybe 4X3 or 1X1 would be an instant classic IMHO we can all dream.I know there’s disagreement about this but I’ve never believed it makes sense to calculate focal length equivalents based on the diagonal field of view, particularly when the aspect ratios are so different (in this case 1:1 versus 3:2). I personally prefer to compare the horizontal fields of view, which would make the Biogon’s 38mm lens equivalent to about a 17mm.
No disagreement Just want put a number there in case anyone wondering. I researched that camera before, what a beauty.
If I may suggest, future RX1 should remove lots of button and function in menu, make it a clean and simple shooting machine.
Not gonna happen but I can dream.
zhangyue wrote
I mentioned SWC not for the focal length (which is about 21mm diagonal). It is really for the uniqueness for the size and performance.RX1x is already an impressive machine as is. Having a bigger sensor maybe 4X3 or 1X1 would be an instant classic IMHO
we can all dream.No disagreement
Just want put a number there in case anyone wondering. I researched that camera before, what a beauty. If I may suggest, future RX1 should remove lots of button and function in menu, make it a clean and simple shooting machine.
Not gonna happen but I can dream.
Jan 13, 2022 at 06:35 PM
p.44 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Here is your chance for an Open box ZX1 people. I'm starting to think it might be good to get one just because they will be so rare
https://www.adorama.com/us1337882.html?EmailPrice=T
https://www.adorama.com/us1337882.html?EmailPrice=T
Jan 24, 2022 at 07:38 AM
p.44 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Rare is right. I haven't seen one in the wild here in SOCAL and we have an affluent crowd here. Lots of Leicas, some RX1(R), and "pro level bodies".
Jan 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM
p.44 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
@gordec -
I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.
I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.
Jan 24, 2022 at 06:40 PM
p.44 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
liggy wrote:
@gordec@ -
I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.
Thanks for checking.
@gordec@ -
I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.
Thanks for checking.
Jan 24, 2022 at 06:43 PM
p.44 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.Thanks for checking.
De nada.
I wonder if they will just give up and have a fire sale at some point. The number of reviews at B&H has held at 6 for as long as I can remember.
Clearly they aren't selling at $4K because those have been available for a while now too...
liggy wrote
@gordec@@@ -I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.
De nada.
I wonder if they will just give up and have a fire sale at some point. The number of reviews at B&H has held at 6 for as long as I can remember.
Clearly they aren't selling at $4K because those have been available for a while now too...
Jan 24, 2022 at 07:15 PM
p.44 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
liggy wrote:
I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.Thanks for checking.De nada.
I wonder if they will just give up and have a fire sale at some point. The number of reviews at B&H has held at 6 for as long as I can remember.
Clearly they aren't selling at $4K because those have been available for a while now too...
When I looked at some of the sample pictures, the transition area doesn't look as smooth as the Sonnar on the RX1Rii. It has the look of the Sigma 35i. It's nice, but not magical. I really don't want to sacrifice any image quality.
gordec wrote
liggy wrote
@gordec@@@@ -I heard back from a bud at Zeiss. He said there was zero chance of getting one even remotely close to the B&H open box/used prices.
I wonder if they will just give up and have a fire sale at some point. The number of reviews at B&H has held at 6 for as long as I can remember.
Clearly they aren't selling at $4K because those have been available for a while now too...
When I looked at some of the sample pictures, the transition area doesn't look as smooth as the Sonnar on the RX1Rii. It has the look of the Sigma 35i. It's nice, but not magical. I really don't want to sacrifice any image quality.
Jan 25, 2022 at 12:01 AM
p.44 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The set I found at DPR:
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9091590422/zeiss-zx1-sample-gallery/3068739832
..are pretty reasonable for some initial impressions. It's no Sonnar by the look of these, it's very serviceable with no blatant faults, more a traditional well-behaved bold contrasty Zeiss lens. Colour is muted and deeper, not in the CV league, a little lacking in tonal gradation / separation. Bokeh is a little overdone so yes, more the Sigma look, but cooler.
It's an 8/5 with two double-sided asph, similar to RX1. A comparison: Cosina are shy at using high element counts but their APO 35/2 is an 11/9, and it uses what they had available in early 2021. Leica's new 35/2 APO in M is similarly loaded with their best, it's a 10/5.
And ZX1 is now ageing as an optical design too, it was announced Sept 2018, and the design probably was formulated (incl glass selection) up to a year earlier. Strange to say, but that's a lot of water under the bridge. People just listed their sharpest lenses and many of them appeared within that period. Sony's GM 135mm seems to have been out for ages, but was released April 2019.
https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/9091590422/zeiss-zx1-sample-gallery/3068739832
..are pretty reasonable for some initial impressions. It's no Sonnar by the look of these, it's very serviceable with no blatant faults, more a traditional well-behaved bold contrasty Zeiss lens. Colour is muted and deeper, not in the CV league, a little lacking in tonal gradation / separation. Bokeh is a little overdone so yes, more the Sigma look, but cooler.
It's an 8/5 with two double-sided asph, similar to RX1. A comparison: Cosina are shy at using high element counts but their APO 35/2 is an 11/9, and it uses what they had available in early 2021. Leica's new 35/2 APO in M is similarly loaded with their best, it's a 10/5.
And ZX1 is now ageing as an optical design too, it was announced Sept 2018, and the design probably was formulated (incl glass selection) up to a year earlier. Strange to say, but that's a lot of water under the bridge. People just listed their sharpest lenses and many of them appeared within that period. Sony's GM 135mm seems to have been out for ages, but was released April 2019.
Jan 25, 2022 at 12:34 AM