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p.40 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
$6,000 USD confirmed this morning, B&H. The kiss of death, I think. A pity; there was an opportunity there.
Oct 29, 2020 at 01:54 PM
p.40 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Make a left-handed version and I'm in!
(actually, no.)
(actually, no.)
Oct 29, 2020 at 03:35 PM
p.40 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
So apparently it comes with Lightroom subscription and 1tb cloud for a year. Does that mean after a year, you can’t use in the built in app? Or is the built in app permanent, but like Lightroom syncing and cloud is separate and will only live included for the first year?
Oct 29, 2020 at 04:42 PM
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p.40 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I actually like the in-camera editing. But I don't see how I'd get $6k to spend on one, and only 1 FL , no interchangeable lenses, doesn't appeal.
Oct 29, 2020 at 06:56 PM
p.40 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I would gladly spend $3500-4k for an updated RX1R. $6K for the ZX1 doesn't interest me at all.
Oct 30, 2020 at 06:59 AM
p.40 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
AmbientMike wrote:
I actually like the in-camera editing. But I don't see how I'd get $6k to spend on one, and only 1 FL , no interchangeable lenses, doesn't appeal.
Editing images on a 4 inch screen. Yeah that works.
FFS Zeiss are so stupid....
I actually like the in-camera editing. But I don't see how I'd get $6k to spend on one, and only 1 FL , no interchangeable lenses, doesn't appeal.
Editing images on a 4 inch screen. Yeah that works.
FFS Zeiss are so stupid....
Nov 01, 2020 at 08:23 PM
p.40 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
rattymouse wrote:
Editing images on a 4 inch screen. Yeah that works.
FFS Zeiss are so stupid....
Most people who buy this camera will not know things like dodge & burn, and of course you can set contrast, white balance, styles etc. on the 4-inch screen.
AmbientMike wrote
I actually like the in-camera editing. But I don't see how I'd get $6k to spend on one, and only 1 FL , no interchangeable lenses, doesn't appeal.FFS Zeiss are so stupid....
Most people who buy this camera will not know things like dodge & burn, and of course you can set contrast, white balance, styles etc. on the 4-inch screen.
Nov 01, 2020 at 08:27 PM
p.40 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
'Editing images on a 4 inch screen.'
I can't get my head around it either. It would not be out of place on devices like the a7c, but a high end camera? You put up with a lot to gain a few sliders' effect, before choofing it off into the ether, like fast food, not a satisfying meal. It's exhibitionistic straining for novelty and originality, at heart.
I can't get my head around it either. It would not be out of place on devices like the a7c, but a high end camera? You put up with a lot to gain a few sliders' effect, before choofing it off into the ether, like fast food, not a satisfying meal. It's exhibitionistic straining for novelty and originality, at heart.
Nov 01, 2020 at 11:31 PM
p.40 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
@philip_pj wrote:
It's exhibitionistic straining for novelty and originality, at heart
^^ What he said.
Five years ago, it probably sounded like a Good Idea.
It's exhibitionistic straining for novelty and originality, at heart
^^ What he said.
Five years ago, it probably sounded like a Good Idea.
Nov 02, 2020 at 01:56 AM
p.40 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Regarding the image editing, here's how I see it: the problem with the current cameras is that you can customize a bit how the jpegs come out of the camera, like affecting contrast, saturation etc., but it feels very limited and old-fashioned compared to what is achievable with dedicated post processing software. If cameras should offer editing capabilities, which kind of capabilities they would need to be? The solution that every camera manufacturer comes up with their own editing capabilities feels cumbersome because they will still be different and worst that what the modern post processing software offer. *To me*, it only feels natural that cameras should offer same in-camera-editing capabilities that the dominant post processing softwares offer. Highlight- and shadow-recovery, curves, white points and black points, color editing etc. In fact, it would be very convenient if the camera would offer exactly the same sliders and same behaviour - why would I want to use anything secondary with secondary results. Again, to me, this is what ZX1 solves in a very elegant manner.
I do understand that most of the serious photography enthusiasts want the polish their pictures for hours in front of the big screen, me too, but the modern camera should be aligned to this same process, right? I could care less about Sony's current in-camera-editing capabilities, because they are limited and secondary to real post processing, so integrating the LR environment inside the camera is a good progress in my mind - even if the screen is small compared to 27 inch screens (it's still a lot better than the current Sony lcd's we use for checking details and all). I would not use this for final versions of the pictures, but I can see that I could play with it and use it for communicating with my pictures.
I do understand that most of the serious photography enthusiasts want the polish their pictures for hours in front of the big screen, me too, but the modern camera should be aligned to this same process, right? I could care less about Sony's current in-camera-editing capabilities, because they are limited and secondary to real post processing, so integrating the LR environment inside the camera is a good progress in my mind - even if the screen is small compared to 27 inch screens (it's still a lot better than the current Sony lcd's we use for checking details and all). I would not use this for final versions of the pictures, but I can see that I could play with it and use it for communicating with my pictures.
Nov 02, 2020 at 03:26 AM
p.40 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I'm curious if anybody in this forum gets this camera.
In another forum I've already seen a thread which indicates nobody there is getting one.
In another forum I've already seen a thread which indicates nobody there is getting one.
Nov 02, 2020 at 06:43 AM
p.40 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
This is destined to join the history books along with Sigma’s SD1. A camera that no one wants at a price set by a clueless group.
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Nov 02, 2020 at 06:57 AM
p.40 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Kit Laughlin wrote:
@philip_pj@ wrote:
^^ What he said.
Five years ago, it probably sounded like a Good Idea.
Well to be fair. That's probably when they started development
@philip_pj@ wrote:
Earlier quote
It's exhibitionistic straining for novelty and originality, at heartFive years ago, it probably sounded like a Good Idea.
Well to be fair. That's probably when they started development
Nov 02, 2020 at 07:11 AM
p.40 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Wow. 40 pages on a camera noone wants!
Nov 02, 2020 at 07:33 AM
p.40 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
It is a strong shout out to Sony to come up with a RX2!
sandycrane wrote:
Wow. 40 pages on a camera noone wants!
sandycrane wrote:
Wow. 40 pages on a camera noone wants!
Nov 02, 2020 at 08:03 AM
p.40 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
a modern contax g2 this is not.
the 907x is a $6k camera I want.
the 907x is a $6k camera I want.
Nov 02, 2020 at 10:02 AM
p.40 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
sandycrane wrote:
Wow. 40 pages on a camera noone wants!
lol--people love to hate. And this nice thread has been brewing for a couple years
Wow. 40 pages on a camera noone wants!
lol--people love to hate. And this nice thread has been brewing for a couple years
Nov 02, 2020 at 11:59 AM
p.40 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Kalainen wrote:
Regarding the image editing, here's how I see it: the problem with the current cameras is that you can customize a bit how the jpegs come out of the camera, like affecting contrast, saturation etc., but it feels very limited and old-fashioned compared to what is achievable with dedicated post processing software. If cameras should offer editing capabilities, which kind of capabilities they would need to be? The solution that every camera manufacturer comes up with their own editing capabilities feels cumbersome because they will still be different and worst that what the modern post processing software offer. *To me*,...Show more →
Why wouldn't I want to do this on my phone? I have a far more powerful computer in my pocket, with more storage, a better, larger screen (6.7"!) and better connectivity and access to apps. I already have the dominant post processing software loaded, ready to go. Plus my phone and software are constantly updated. Find a way to get the RAW to my phone in a few seconds.
The ZX1 solves a problem nobody really needs to have, I think that's the main issue. Camera companies just need to devote the resources to making a fully featured, user friendly app. I mean, Adobe kind of does too, but I digress.
On the plus side, the ZX1 does actually look quite slick in operation. A question: has anyone seen how/if the ZX1 integrates with a smart device?
Regarding the image editing, here's how I see it: the problem with the current cameras is that you can customize a bit how the jpegs come out of the camera, like affecting contrast, saturation etc., but it feels very limited and old-fashioned compared to what is achievable with dedicated post processing software. If cameras should offer editing capabilities, which kind of capabilities they would need to be? The solution that every camera manufacturer comes up with their own editing capabilities feels cumbersome because they will still be different and worst that what the modern post processing software offer. *To me*,...Show more →
Why wouldn't I want to do this on my phone? I have a far more powerful computer in my pocket, with more storage, a better, larger screen (6.7"!) and better connectivity and access to apps. I already have the dominant post processing software loaded, ready to go. Plus my phone and software are constantly updated. Find a way to get the RAW to my phone in a few seconds.
The ZX1 solves a problem nobody really needs to have, I think that's the main issue. Camera companies just need to devote the resources to making a fully featured, user friendly app. I mean, Adobe kind of does too, but I digress.
On the plus side, the ZX1 does actually look quite slick in operation. A question: has anyone seen how/if the ZX1 integrates with a smart device?
Nov 02, 2020 at 12:49 PM
p.40 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Dave Sanders wrote:
I do understand that most of the serious photography enthusiasts want the polish their pictures for hours in front of the big screen, me too, but the modern camera should be aligned to this same process, right? I could care less about Sony's current in-camera-editing capabilities, because they are limited and secondary to real post processing, so integrating the LR environment inside the camera is a good progress in my mind - even if the screen is small compared to 27 inch screens (it's still a lot better than the current Sony lcd's we use for checking details and all). I would not use this for final versions of the pictures, but I can see that I could play with it and use it for communicating with my pictures.Why wouldn't I want to do this on my phone? I have a far more powerful computer in my pocket, with more storage, a better, larger screen (6.7"!) and better connectivity and access to apps. I already have the dominant post processing software loaded, ready to go. Plus my phone and software are constantly updated. Find a way to get the RAW to my phone in a few seconds.
Sure, I get your point here. Personally, I'm not against transfering the raw-files to another device. I could, for example, transfer them to to my PC where I have even more powerful computer with larger screen and everything. However, the thing is (I'm guessing here) that younger generation doesn't want to wait for separate editing, especially waiting for home just to see what the files would look like with some editing. Would they like to edit their pictures separately with phone. I don't know.
Dave Sanders wrote:
The ZX1 solves a problem nobody really needs to have, I think that's the main issue. Camera companies just need to devote the resources to making a fully featured, user friendly app. I mean, Adobe kind of does too, but I digress.
I think Zeiss tries to solve *the problem* the whole camera industry has - and they are far more innovative than traditional manufacturers. - cameras vs phones - that's one of the biggest current conversation that one can find on every photography forum. Compared to phones the current cameras (with their 'floppy disks', '80s computer menus' and 'no connection') resemble something like the Nokia 3110 vs Pixels and iPhones. Camera industry is in the bad shape, and while it will never die and there will always be need for a dedicated cameras, someone needs to come up with something else than 'more megapixels'. Someone needs to close the gap between cameras and phones, and I think ZEISS doing exactly that here. And I honestly think this is currently the best attempt to do just that. I get that some don't like to look of it and others are irritated about the price, but I think Zeiss deserves a little recognition here - they are doing something else and fresh here. Just for the sake of comparisation, Sony just refreshed their menus on A7 cameras; nice but still kind of 80's looking compared to ZX1... Okay, that was a bit under the belt there Sony has definitely innovated a lot, one has to give them credit for that.
Dave Sanders wrote:
On the plus side, the ZX1 does actually look quite slick in operation. A question: has anyone seen how/if the ZX1 integrates with a smart device?
Looking slick and being connected is important. I belive that for younger generation photography is more about the experience than the tech oriented starting points which many of us share here. So not about the technical performance or image quality (though the ZX1 delivers here), but more about the experience and the process of photography - and that's exactly where Zeiss is trying the aim here. The flow. It would be refreshing to here from someone how the ZX1 is succeeding here.
Kalainen wrote
Regarding the image editing, here's how I see it: the problem with the current cameras is that you can customize a bit how the jpegs come out of the camera, like affecting contrast, saturation etc., but it feels very limited and old-fashioned compared to what is achievable with dedicated post processing software. If cameras should offer editing capabilities, which kind of capabilities they would need to be? The solution that every camera manufacturer comes up with their own editing capabilities feels cumbersome because they will still be different and worst that what the modern post processing software offer. *To me*, it only feels natural that cameras should offer same in-camera-editing capabilities that the dominant post processing softwares offer. Highlight- and shadow-recovery, curves, white points and black points, color editing etc. In fact, it would be very convenient if the camera would offer exactly the same sliders and same behaviour - why would I want to use anything secondary with secondary results. Again, to me, this is what ZX1 solves in a very elegant manner.I do understand that most of the serious photography enthusiasts want the polish their pictures for hours in front of the big screen, me too, but the modern camera should be aligned to this same process, right? I could care less about Sony's current in-camera-editing capabilities, because they are limited and secondary to real post processing, so integrating the LR environment inside the camera is a good progress in my mind - even if the screen is small compared to 27 inch screens (it's still a lot better than the current Sony lcd's we use for checking details and all). I would not use this for final versions of the pictures, but I can see that I could play with it and use it for communicating with my pictures.
Sure, I get your point here. Personally, I'm not against transfering the raw-files to another device. I could, for example, transfer them to to my PC where I have even more powerful computer with larger screen and everything. However, the thing is (I'm guessing here) that younger generation doesn't want to wait for separate editing, especially waiting for home just to see what the files would look like with some editing. Would they like to edit their pictures separately with phone. I don't know.
Dave Sanders wrote:
The ZX1 solves a problem nobody really needs to have, I think that's the main issue. Camera companies just need to devote the resources to making a fully featured, user friendly app. I mean, Adobe kind of does too, but I digress.
I think Zeiss tries to solve *the problem* the whole camera industry has - and they are far more innovative than traditional manufacturers. - cameras vs phones - that's one of the biggest current conversation that one can find on every photography forum. Compared to phones the current cameras (with their 'floppy disks', '80s computer menus' and 'no connection') resemble something like the Nokia 3110 vs Pixels and iPhones. Camera industry is in the bad shape, and while it will never die and there will always be need for a dedicated cameras, someone needs to come up with something else than 'more megapixels'. Someone needs to close the gap between cameras and phones, and I think ZEISS doing exactly that here. And I honestly think this is currently the best attempt to do just that. I get that some don't like to look of it and others are irritated about the price, but I think Zeiss deserves a little recognition here - they are doing something else and fresh here. Just for the sake of comparisation, Sony just refreshed their menus on A7 cameras; nice but still kind of 80's looking compared to ZX1... Okay, that was a bit under the belt there
Sony has definitely innovated a lot, one has to give them credit for that. Dave Sanders wrote:
On the plus side, the ZX1 does actually look quite slick in operation. A question: has anyone seen how/if the ZX1 integrates with a smart device?
Looking slick and being connected is important. I belive that for younger generation photography is more about the experience than the tech oriented starting points which many of us share here. So not about the technical performance or image quality (though the ZX1 delivers here), but more about the experience and the process of photography - and that's exactly where Zeiss is trying the aim here. The flow. It would be refreshing to here from someone how the ZX1 is succeeding here.
Nov 02, 2020 at 04:02 PM
p.40 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
realVivek wrote:
It is a strong shout out to Sony to come up with a RX2!
All they have to do is put a 42 or 61mp sensor in the A7c with A7siii menu and AF. Done!
It is a strong shout out to Sony to come up with a RX2!
sandycrane wrote
Wow. 40 pages on a camera noone wants!All they have to do is put a 42 or 61mp sensor in the A7c with A7siii menu and AF. Done!
Nov 02, 2020 at 05:12 PM