A new $3000 plus camera every year or so?
No chance...thats bananas.
JaimitoFrog wrote:
The body is gen1, but the glass lineup is superb enough for me to try it now. I don't mind upgrading the body in a yr or two to a pro level model when it debuts. Got a few bodies I don't use much that I can trade in. Camera bodies are almost like a phone these days, new one every yr or so.
Will preorder one with grip, and get the 50 f1.2, and 28-70 f2. Not sure if I should get the 24-105 too or just use my EF 24-70 f2.8 II. The design and build quality seems to be pretty good based on reviews comments. I will check it out once they have demo units. I never considered Sony because of how terrible the ergonomics are. Canon seems to get it right on their first try. ...Show more →
Too soon for me to tell, we haven't yet seen any serious reviews of the camera and lenses. Right now I'm evenly split between Canon and Sony systems. Each has their strengths. I was moving in the direction of Sony for the past 18 months because of their technical capabilities and image quality, but I would prefer to stay with a single system and I really like the Canon ergonomics. If Canon had released a high resolution sensor I would be swayed, but to be honest a 30 MP sensor is enough for most purposes.
On paper, everything looks amazing. I'd have to handle one to "see if it's worth it". But, pricing for it and the lenses right now price it out of a price point that I'd be willing to pay. If I could trade my 5D IV for one, then maybe....
The adapter ($100) would allow me to use my existing glass.
The "switch" to me would be appealing on the 28-70 f/2 zoom alone. That sounds like a very, very intriguing lens. However, it's big, but hey! So is the 70-200 f/2.8 II.
I'd have to try the EVF and test the layout of the controls. Might be something to fall in love with, might not be. I'm glad to see Canon try and at least compete with Sony. I'd say, personally, that Canon beats Sony hands down on lenses (not considering third party). That is, of course, an opinion. But I think Sony currently has what it takes to beat Canon on mirrorless FF. Sony will probably dump a new camera very soon that makes the EOS R look like a toy. But I'd still love to try one of these EOS R bodies for a while (for free of course).
lighthound wrote:
From what I understand, The EF adapter is included with the EOS R body. Is it not?
I've watched sooooo many videos at this point I can't remember exactly which one, but I remember it being said that the basic adapter was included. Looking at the preorder sites online there is no mention of it. I was thinking at least they were adding the basic adapter as a nice gesture. Maybe not though.
Depends on the market. Australia is included i think. Not US.
JD5150 wrote:
I've watched sooooo many videos at this point I can't remember exactly which one, but I remember it being said that the basic adapter was included. Looking at the preorder sites online there is no mention of it. I was thinking at least they were adding the basic adapter as a nice gesture. Maybe not though.
JaimitoFrog wrote:
Depends on the market. Australia is included i think. Not US.
Here the camera body is sold with the adapter as a 'kit' for a price that usually corresponds to 2500. So it seems you have to pay for it where it is included. It is not possible to order the body without the adapter where I have looked.
I voted other. It looks like a nice system if you want mirrorless. However after seeing Jims lens size comparison that says the 24-105 is essentially identical in size/weight. And the EF-S adapter spec that says the camera crops these images to <12 MP, I don't see it offering anything to me that my 5D4 doesn't already. The smaller body is probably 6D2 weight for a lot less money. So not a dud but a system I don't need to spend money on in the near future. Makes my wife happy.
JD5150 wrote:
I've watched sooooo many videos at this point I can't remember exactly which one, but I remember it being said that the basic adapter was included. Looking at the preorder sites online there is no mention of it. I was thinking at least they were adding the basic adapter as a nice gesture. Maybe not though.
-JD
Just took a look on the US Canon site and it doesn't look like the adapter is included.
Maybe they'll offer it instead of a free Pixma Pro 100 printer.
Perhaps the next 1Dx III will be mirrorless with extremely fast rates per second......dual CFast cards......then I might be in the market for a mirrorless camera. The weight advantage isn’t a reason to purchase. I like the FPS and higher clean ISO, other than that I am very happy with my 5DIV, 1DxII and 6DII.
I like that Canon is moving forward with technology but not sure I understand the new lens mount strategy other than new lens mount = new sales opportunities.
Jeff Nolten wrote:
I voted other. It looks like a nice system if you want mirrorless. However after seeing Jims lens size comparison that says the 24-105 is essentially identical in size/weight. And the EF-S adapter spec that says the camera crops these images to <12 MP, I don't see it offering anything to me that my 5D4 doesn't already. The smaller body is probably 6D2 weight for a lot less money. So not a dud but a system I don't need to spend money on in the near future. Makes my wife happy.
I bought my 6DII FOR $600 as a refurb from Canon.....
As I sit here without a camera system...deciding which direction to go...I'm not sure the recent Nikon or Canon announcements exceed my expectations. Sony was/is the benchmark for mirrorless...I don't think these new releases meet the Sony baseline. Possibly... in the near future, with subsequent releases, both Nikon and Canon will meet or exceed what Sony has on the market.
I've shot Canon for the start...I was anxiously awaiting this announcement. Some of the new features are exciting, others, not so much. It's all personal opinion of course and what works for the individual.
I like a couple of the new lenses, the adapter with the filter option is great/useful. I'm not upset about the one card slot, it's not been an issue for me in the past. I really wanted in-camera image stabilization... it's great having an IS lens, having the IS in camera would have been much better IMO.
So... for the price point and the features the camera offers, it's going to appeal to a broad market IMO... I'm just going to hold off a little longer to see what is around the corner.
Looking forward to "real world" reviews when the camera hits the market.
I can not resist the power of Canon. Obviously they are not always perfect, but they do a good job overall of incorporating a full mix of technology in their products, and making them very usable. A lot of the White Paper on the R system is kind of hype, but there are plenty of nuggets in there that I like.
I will start with the camera and the 24-105 R and some adapters for my many EF lenses, and assume I will get a higher grade camera out of Canon in the next year or so. The 28-70 f/2 is very tempting, but I will wait a while on that. I fully appreciate there are other camera systems that have nice features, but for me, I will stay with Canon, and continue my long term ride.
I admit to being a bit addicted to Canon, and it is thing that started back in the early 1970's with the Canon F-1 system. I still have most every part of that system, and the stuff mostly still works, but of course I do not use them. If I really wanted to shoot film, I would use my EOS 3 film body with my current EOS lenses. Besides Canon GAS and brand addiction, I have another issue that needs work, which is that I find it almost impossible to part with any of my old gear. At least I am not just a collector, because I actually use my current stuff.
You have to watch for fire sales on the refurb site. If I recall correctly there was also a code you could enter for an additional discount. You need to watch for them because when they happen the cameras or lenses are gobbled up quickly.....
DES-1 wrote:
Wow, they are currently $1400. Even the 6D is $300 more. Tell us your shopping secrets...
JaimitoFrog wrote:
Not everyone is the same. I get one about every yr or two. Nothing to do with bananas.
I have friend who buys a new boat every two years. He has a system worked out that he considers "rent" on the boat. He basically finances the cost of the boat then sells it two years later then divides the loss by how many months he owned it. It's easier to swallow mentally that way.
If you buy a R for $2300 then sell it on the B&S board next year for $1700 your "rent" is $50 per month. That's not too bananas to me
