p.46 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
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but Nikon is the one and only one truly offer a small high performance package for travelling and cityscape, landscape and many other stuff first time in MILC IMHO. It makes really hard for me to depart from it.
It may take awhile but I think the realization of how right Nikon got it with the Z6 & Z7 is going to sink in eventually. I don't expect to see any grudging admissions of it though.
As good as I find the Z7 is, I have no meaningful complaints with my M or a7ii, or E1 & E5 for that matter. They're all capable in their own way. If anything it's my capabilities that are wanting. It's something to work on ; - ) (I am a little surprised at how good the jpg output is with Basic, S with the Z7 though... In fact, I don't think very many interweb opinionators realize how good the Z7 jpg engine is. It's good. ; - )
p.46 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
charles.K wrote:
Interesting thoughts about the L bracket and grip I think at least with FF MILC the optimum grip and feel is often counter intuitive. Smaller is not always better and is why the Z6/Z6 is very popular as far as ergonomics. Surprisingly I use the D850 a lot now just for the grip and feel as I have never added a grip. Most of us here have used extensively Leica M and Sony MILC's and I am sure camera manufacturers are realising the optimum size maybe larger than first thought.
I fully agree with you that smaller is not better especially consider how big those f1.4 glasses are but that is also personal. I think many here value size and weight heavily when choose system. I would never add grip to any SLR camera for my use but I default use Z7 with L bracket now and remove the vertical plate during daily use and happily accept the weight and slightly size penalty. I have really enjoy holding the Z7 that way even with M glasses Definitely give it a try, Charles, once you get your Z.
The way I like S1 is different with Z7, Z7 is simply work and always keep you checked in field. S1 in some way like Leica, it has some quirks but at the same time, it also offer some "X" factor make you like to use it, at least for me. Gear choice is never as simple as Black or White.
p.46 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
mapgraphs wrote:
It may take awhile but I think the realization of how right Nikon got it with the Z6 & Z7 is going to sink in eventually. I don't expect to see any grudging admissions of it though.
As good as I find the Z7 is, I have no meaningful complaints with my M or a7ii, or E1 & E5 for that matter. They're all capable in their own way. If anything it's my capabilities that are wanting. It's something to work on ; - ) (I am a little surprised at how good the jpg output is with Basic, S with the Z7 though... In fact, I don't think very many interweb opinionators realize how good the Z7 jpg engine is. It's good. ; - ) ...Show more →
What I really meant is whole Z package with small zooms is an ultimate landscape/cityscape system. (14-30mm take filter and compact 24-70 with 45M ISO64.) There is no competitor here IMHO. It is not the Z glasses performance as whole (even they are awesome) make Z unique but these two zoom for me make the system unreplaceable, at least for now.
p.46 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
charles.K wrote:
Interesting thoughts about the L bracket and grip I think at least with FF MILC the optimum grip and feel is often counter intuitive. Smaller is not always better and is why the Z6/Z6 is very popular as far as ergonomics. Surprisingly I use the D850 a lot now just for the grip and feel as I have never added a grip. Most of us here have used extensively Leica M and Sony MILC's and I am sure camera manufacturers are realising the optimum size maybe larger than first thought.
Absolutely. Manufacturers and users often talk about how smaller is desirable in mirrorless and how larger seems to go against the mirrorless ethos. What they seem to ignore sometimes is how a body balances out with the lenses in a system. A larger body with larger lenses can feel better in the hand than a smaller camera with larger lenses. I get wrist pain with a Sony body and a GM lens but not with a larger SL/S1R and SL lenses. Mostly because the grips on the Sonys are too small.
This is where the Z7 shines. It's got some really good glass that matches the body. The 14-30 and 24-70 are both really good optically and perfectly sized for the camera. And the 70-300 PF with adaptor is good as well. And that's my Z7 kit, with the 50mm 1.8 (because I always *need* a 50... ).
I have yet to try the 24-70 2.8 and, while it looks smaller than some others, to be honest I don't think I'd like it without adding something to the Z7 body. At under 3kg I can hike all day with a Z7 and three lenses giving me 14-300mm and IBIS on a 46MP camera. That's insane!!
I'm fortunate to be able to have more than one system. But the Z7 makes a lot of sense if you have to choose only one.
p.46 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I'm no stranger to small cameras, being an owner and fan of the Contax T3 with dedicated Sonnar 35/2.8. Slightly larger and heavier is a Barnack with 35/2.8 Summaron. Finally, I have the 35 Art that really wants a single-digit Nikon. These three rigs balance well in the hand because body size is scaled with the load. I actually find the kit S zoom a bit front heavy for my Z6 and got some pinky leverage with the RRS base plate. Looks like I will need the SmallRig to do it right. The Z has a pretty minimal grip given the expected FX glass to be used—although nothing as miserable as a gripless Alpha 7. At least I can add the vertical grip to my A7ii for decent handling. I'm mystified how Nikon has yet to deliver a vertical grip of any kind.
p.46 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
Your thinking process also makes a lot sense to me and I fully agree many things you said about the system. Yeh, and especially about 24-70S performance It is not sharpness for me, but really the CA and astigmatism performance I seldom saw from Zoom. I don’t need WO performance for it but I need f8~f13 and I need its size and folding size in bag for travelling. Z7 with 24-70S is RX1 on steroid for me. You might also want check 14-30. Overall, I don’t think I rate it as high as 24-70S but awful close. It has lots of vignette and a little more CA at wide range of zoom, but it still outperform all Nikon WA zoom I ever tested. ...Show more →
I fully agree on the CA and astigmatism performance. The 24-70 was an important part for my decision, because no other system has such small and high performing 24-xx lens. I also agree with your "RX1 on steroid" assessment... only the zoom range is much better and the camera is more flexible. The size difference is not that significant to me. Large bodies start beyond the Z7.
The 14-30 zoom was the lens that attracted me in the first place and I thought about the Z-system just for this lens. My decision to go with the 24-70 first is based on the idea, that I don't wanted to change lenses often with the Nikon (I would need at least one other lens in a portrait range with the 14-30 as my main lens). More important probably is, that I have the already great Canon 16-35L f4. The only significant difference would be the 2mm on the wide end and the Canon on a Canon body pairs besser with the Nikon and the 24-70 than the Nikon wide with whatever I have on the Canon body. Anyway, this lens is for sure on my future wish list...
zhangyue wrote:
If you haven’t done so, I highly recommend buy a SmallRig L bracket for it. I recommend it even higher than RRS. The fit and finish is great with rounded edge and good polish work. The most important is it improve handhold feel significantly. The bottom is on the thick side compare to others and TBH I initially dislike the thickness of it but found out it actually offer a small and smoosh tilt platform for pinky rest. See picture attached, pay attention to pinky rest area.
Out of all cameras I ever used, Z7 with this L bracket is the most comfortable holding camera, no exaggeration. I keep compare this with PanaS1 during past week, I think this L bracket give an unfair advantage for holding feel to Z7, otherwise, I might rate S1 a little higher than Z7 even I got blister on my middle finger with S1 after a moderate heavy use. ...Show more →
Thanks for the suggestion! I thought about this, but only for L bracket functionality and tripod use. I decided against it, because my main use of the cam is hand-held and the added weight of 150g is nothing I wanted to have. I haven't thought about the comfortable hand holding aspect. I like the idea, because the slighty higher grip of the Canon R is exactly what makes it significant more comfortable to hold than the Nikon. Adding a bit of height and I can put my little finger on the grip instead of under the grip. After reading that the vertical part of the SmallRig bracket can be removed (and weight saved if no tripod use is intended), I like the idea even more!
p.46 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
'We The North' Champions Parada. I am not Basket Ball fans. And wouldn't spend hours in Nathan Phillips Square waiting for the players show up. My office is closed by. So spent some time walk to University Ave to feel the Atmosphere and of course took some photos too.
Early in the morning, people start gathering along University Ave:
p.46 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Trying out a number of lenses that I've accumulated. More flower pics, this time with the Z7 and Mamiya 120mm f4 Macro.
Also changed my approach. I noticed that using a non-CPU lens seemed to result in higher than necessary shutter speeds and therefore ISO when using 'A' or 'P' setting so I used 'M' for these fixing a reasonable shutter speed and letting auto-ISO manage the exposure,
p.46 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Hi!
It's been a while since my last post, but I'd like to share with you a solution that I've thought to bridge the lack of any Canon EOS to Nikon Z smart adapter: since the announced Kipon EOS to Z adapter is taking longer than expected (supposedly, it was to be released in June, but the month is almost gone and nothing appears...), I'm considering to get a Techart Sony-Z adapter plus any of the many already existing EOS-Sony adapters. I don't mind AF, it's for my TS-E lenses, so any cheap adapter capable of handling the diaphragm would be OK. However, I'm worried about so much stacking...
How do you find this approach? My 3 TS-E lenses are crying louder and louder every time I pull the drawer...
p.46 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Stack the Techart TZE-01 and Sigma MC-11 together. There is a photo in Facebook showing that with Zeiss Otus lens. May be able to control the aperture. How the Sigma build the E mount lens? Isn’t just build in the MC-11 inside the lens? Techart reported Sigma e-mount lens work with the TZE-01.
felipin wrote:
Hi!
It's been a while since my last post, but I'd like to share with you a solution that I've thought to bridge the lack of any Canon EOS to Nikon Z smart adapter: since the announced Kipon EOS to Z adapter is taking longer than expected (supposedly, it was to be released in June, but the month is almost gone and nothing appears...), I'm considering to get a Techart Sony-Z adapter plus any of the many already existing EOS-Sony adapters. I don't mind AF, it's for my TS-E lenses, so any cheap adapter capable of handling the diaphragm would be OK. However, I'm worried about so much stacking...
How do you find this approach? My 3 TS-E lenses are crying louder and louder every time I pull the drawer......Show more →
p.46 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
keithf wrote:
Stack the Techart TZE-01 and Sigma MC-11 together. There is a photo in Facebook showing that with Zeiss Otus lens. May be able to control the aperture. How the Sigma build the E mount lens? Isn’t just build in the MC-11 inside the lens? Techart reported Sigma e-mount lens work with the TZE-01.
I hadn't considered the MC-11... because it's pricey. I really don't care about AF, the diaphragm is my only concern, so, as far as any adapter is capable of handle this, it is good enough. Of course, I'm sure the Sigma will be better...
p.46 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
So finally I bit the bullet and ordered the Techart Sony-Z adapter, plus a Commlite Canon to Sony. I'll let you know how it works for what it is intended (using TS-E lenses on my Z7). Besides, there are many interesting lenses with E mount that can be added to my system now...
p.46 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Since I sold my D500 and went to the Sony A9, I ordered both adapters; the TZE-01 & Commlite CM-ENF-E1 Pro F to E Mount Adapter. I can use my 100-400 GM Sony on my Z and my Nikon F lenses on my Sony... Nice
p.46 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Bought a Z6 and have been trying m mount lenses. I got adapters from Kipon, Yeenon and 7artisans to compare them against each other. I heard good things about Kipon e mount version, but for z mount version, two of my Kipon adapters are too short. Turning thw focus ring to infinity mark on lenses will result in focusing past infinity. Out of the three, Yeenon probably has the best apparent build quality ofthe three. Made of brass, one can feel the density of the adapter and it is smooth to mount any lens. Yet Yeenon also is a bit short, though it's a bit better than Kipon.
7artisans adapter is made of aluminum and quite light, and it's cheapest of the three. There's no alignment mark to mount the adapter to camera body, though after a few times one get used to it. Surprisingly, the cheap 7artisans adapter has the correct dimension that most of my lenses hit infinity when focusing ring is turned to infinity. So far I'm enjoying this adapter most.
p.46 #20 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Time to bump this thread, I am sorry that I don't have much files with adapted lenses as most of those are family portraits. On trip, I don't use adapted lenses much as little 24-70 zoom is just too good and practical.
I brought 24-70f4, 14-30f4 and 70-200f4F alone with Leica M with me on recent trip. I think I used 24-70 80~85% of time and rest with 14-30 and 70-200. I could have just brought 24-70 and Z7 alone and fully enjoy the trip. After multiple trips, I found this is still the best Nikon camera I ever used in term of functionality, sure 24-70f4 helped (I do have soft spot for OVF cameras such as D850 or DF though, they are not as functional or practical for my intended usage but I do enjoy the process a lot)
I have sold my 50S, as much as I love it from IQ stand point of view, I found I seldom bring it with me out for shooting since acquired it. I figured this is a good sign to sell it before too late as I have tendency to stock too much gears. I don't miss it TBH. For Z, I think a single 24-70f4 make most of sense for me, though a trip to a grand view of landscape may change my opinion. (14-30mm?)
For fast prime glass shooting, I way prefer full manual glass, no AF lenses give me such a pleasure, especially considering unnecessarily bloated size, 50S included.
I think at least with FF MILC the optimum grip and feel is often counter intuitive. Smaller is not always better and is why the Z6/Z6 is very popular as far as ergonomics. Surprisingly I use the D850 a lot now just for the grip and feel as I have never added a grip. Most of us here have used extensively Leica M and Sony MILC's and I am sure camera manufacturers are realising the optimum size maybe larger than first thought.
but that is also personal. I think many here value size and weight heavily when choose system. I would never add grip to any SLR camera for my use but I default use Z7 with L bracket now and remove the vertical plate during daily use and happily accept the weight and slightly size penalty. I have really enjoy holding the Z7 that way even with M glasses 
