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p.42 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Start a new pg.
24-70 from Lone pine CA

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Apr 23, 2019 at 11:32 AM
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p.42 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


zhangyue wrote:
Start a new pg.
24-70 from Lone pine CA

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33797653808_cfc43b752e_h.jpg




Thanks Michael. I just ordered a Z6 w/ 24-70f4 today. I couldn't take it any longer

Lovely images you've been posting. I like your post work.



Apr 23, 2019 at 12:55 PM
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p.42 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


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Initially, I didn't notice it and later on after know it is there I quickly get myself use to it. I think it really depends on how you use it and how often you use it. Of course exceptions as well from Sony's experience. (Maybe A7RIII improve this a lot?)

I seldom use this feature without tripod. If I shoot M lens on landscape, I simply use barrel mark and do hyperfocal shooting. I don't think you need tripod to use this feature though, (the delay is in mS range) did you turn on IBIS?



Thanks for the reply. Sounds like it's just the way it is with this camera for now. Yes, IBIS was on. This was with both a CV 90/3.5APO and CV 40/2, both chipped for Nikon, so I assume it was registering the focal length for IBIS. I'll try with IBIS off for kicks as well. The 90mm in particular is tough to focus beyond 10 feet as that part of the helicoid has a very short throw to infinity.



Apr 23, 2019 at 01:06 PM
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p.42 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Got my copy of 14-30mm, run a quick test. It is a keeper, no decenter stuff. Given all internet samples I have seen so far, It is a pleasing surprise this lens is working this good for me.

A quick summery:

At WO, due to field curvature, you have to pick center or corner cross the range. From 14mm to 30mm, it will show backward FC. 14mm show the strongest FC that corner will focus beyond infinity when center at infinity, 30mm show the least. This is a disappointment as for SWA, if you have to pick, you want inward FC to cover foreground.

However, for real world use, I found I use SWA lens mostly at f8 or f11. In this case, the lens delivers. If you want maximize cross frame sharpness, focus at corner, let DOF cover center.

Sunstar is poor, as poor as 24-70f4S. but no lens flare even directly shoot sun.(14-30 is better than 24-70 in this case) I do notice some funky sensor flare in extreme case at 20mm. These two are really behave like twin. They share the same characteristic that you can hardly tell them apart but I would say 24-70 has better astigmatism and CA performance and general speaking a better lens.

Simple conclusion: This lens is sharper than 14-24G at landscape aperture.

Do I love this lens as much as 24-70? not really, I am a little disappointed with quite strong FC which is not there with 24-70S. This effectively reduce the usable DOF that all landscape photographer fight for SWA usage. Does this lens delivery? I'd say yes, at least for the case you don't need cover extreme DOF range from 0.3M to infinity, you will be fine. It is indeed show more CA and astigmatism compare to prime and even 24-70, but still better than most if not all SWA zoom I ever used.

For now, I'd say Nikon hit a home run for landscape travel photographers with 24-70S and 14-30S. It makes a strong case to keep them in my bags long term.

I will post test images later once I have more time.



Apr 26, 2019 at 01:01 AM
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p.42 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Z7, Voigtländer VM 40mm f/1.2 Nokton, Kipon M-Z adapter

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Apr 26, 2019 at 12:44 PM
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p.42 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


zhangyue wrote:
Haha, it is definitely the lens I think this lens didn’t get enough attention as it deserved. It is sharper than both Zeiss planar and 80lux at f1.4 and have very nice (I’d say different) look to the images. I bought it as manual lens actually given Z can’t AF it. It offer focus confirmation and full EXIF support which are all I wanted. The focus confirmation is very accurate. I really wish Z can extend this feature to all manual glasses. It is so useful.

The SA profile of 85D is very pleasing. Out of Nikon modern line
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Always spectacular processing! Have you tried the ZA 135 1.8? I’d be curious to hear your thoughts. I found it to be my favorite 135, but it’s not my focal length.




Apr 26, 2019 at 01:04 PM
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p.42 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


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Always spectacular processing! Have you tried the ZA 135 1.8? I’d be curious to hear your thoughts. I found it to be my favorite 135, but it’s not my focal length.



I never used that lens and I didn't pay much attention for that lens either. I think if I am back to Sony on rumored 16bit global shutter A9ii, I will seriously look at it but I think it is hard to not consider their new 135GM if I want a 135. I personally don't think it has best rendering compare to 135art and 105E for intend usage but overall I think it is the crown mid-tele glass with best resolution and super fast and reliable focus and still have very nice rendering. However, same as you, I feel 135mm has very limited usage. The longest one I will use daily is 100mm but I still prefer 75~85mm lens to 135 I 'd say. For lot of stuff, 85-100 can create similar work of 135 with foot work, but not other way around. Out of all Sony GM, I still like their 85gm the best. 24 is great but again that is not my focal length.

From modern year, I personally think Nikon's 105f1.4E has the pinnacle rendering out of all latest glasses. (even include Leica ones) and 58G miss a little bit definition WO. I just realize that many of their old Nikon AF-D glasses have quite special rendering such as 135DC, 105DC, 28f1.4D and this 85D. though color seems always a little bit on mute side. For now I am good with 85D only. This kind of glasses will not be seen in the future.

15VC III Z7 from death valley

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and one more with 24-70

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Apr 26, 2019 at 01:51 PM
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p.42 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


With the 14-30 in the bag, do you think you'll have much use for the 15/4.5III?


Apr 26, 2019 at 10:37 PM
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p.42 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Great shots Michael !!! Love the one with 24-70 at the top of the page


Apr 27, 2019 at 06:27 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
With the 14-30 in the bag, do you think you'll have much use for the 15/4.5III?

Yes, if I brought 14-30 with me, 15 most likely will stay at home. Last time I travel, I really like the setup I have, Z7 with 24-70 and LEica M with 21/35/50/90. For a single out, I could bring Z7 with zoom and M with 21 & 50 etc...
With 14-30, I potentially can bring Z7 with it and M with 35/50/90. M with 35 and 50 is right at home.

14-30 is not as good as 24-70 IMO, but what are we talking about, at 500g with 1/3 volume and taking filter, even it match 14-24G performance i would be very happy not to mention it perform better at shooting aperture i use.
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charles.K wrote:
Great shots Michael !!! Love the one with 24-70 at the top of the page


Thank you Charles.
24-70

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Apr 27, 2019 at 07:22 PM
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p.42 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


jmr237 wrote:
Thanks everyone for taking the time to post in this thread. It's a bit of information overload and I'd welcome input on the following:

Is there a consensus on how the Z6 or Z7 perform with the Leica M 28 Summicron ASPH (v2), 35 Summicron ASPH, and 50 Summicron? I own and use these three lenses with a M9 Monochrom, and am looking for a complementary body that would provide color output as well as a superior live view experience than what Leica offers via the M10.

I have tried a few of the Sony A7X variations but found the results disappointing.
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I've been in Wetzlar and bought the Summicron 28mm ASPH. (11672) for the Z6. In my tests there, it performed better than the Summicron 35 ASPH and the Summicron 50. (For landscape use, just buy the Nikkor 1.8/50 S.) APO-Summicron 50 was even slightly better than the 28mm, it's an Otus lens at 1/4 the size and twice the price.



Apr 27, 2019 at 10:14 PM
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p.42 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


rscheffler wrote:
With the 14-30 in the bag, do you think you'll have much use for the 15/4.5III?

zhangyue wrote:
Yes, if I brought 14-30 with me, 15 most likely will stay at home. Last time I travel, I really like the setup I have, Z7 with 24-70 and LEica M with 21/35/50/90. For a single out, I could bring Z7 with zoom and M with 21 & 50 etc...
With 14-30, I potentially can bring Z7 with it and M with 35/50/90. M with 35 and 50 is right at home.

14-30 is not as good as 24-70 IMO, but what are we talking about, at 500g with 1/3 volume and taking filter, even it match 14-24G performance i would
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Thanks Michael. Maybe you've touched on it already in past pages and I missed it (or have forgotten): is your preference to use the 90 on the Leica, despite the inherent difficulties of focusing it with the rangefinder, or do you find you'll also use it on the Z7?

One of the thought processes in my head has been a camera like the Z7 for use with 90mm and longer lenses and 50 and wider on the M where they seem more at home. I use both the 90AA and the Macro. For general stopped down walk around shooting with either 90 I can usually get correct focus. I find the 90AA more of a challenge at wider apertures and non-static people photos.



Apr 29, 2019 at 09:04 AM
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zhangyue wrote:
Start a new pg.
24-70 from Lone pine CA

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Bravo Michael!



Apr 29, 2019 at 10:32 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Thanks Michael. Maybe you've touched on it already in past pages and I missed it (or have forgotten): is your preference to use the 90 on the Leica, despite the inherent difficulties of focusing it with the rangefinder, or do you find you'll also use it on the Z7?

One of the thought processes in my head has been a camera like the Z7 for use with 90mm and longer lenses and 50 and wider on the M where they seem more at home. I use both the 90AA and the Macro. For general stopped down walk around shooting with
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Theoretically, as you said, you want use WA on M and long on Z. However, for most of my travel or landscape use, I don't really care use WA on Z or Tele on M, or vise versa. I found most of time, I do stop down anyway, and more than half of time, I don't even need focus but just use barrel for deep DOF images. I almost never shoot WA on Z wide open and 90% of time just use barrel focus. (with knowing how lens behave on body, I carefully evaluate each lens for stop down shooting).

For manual focus, I'd say I personally prefer rangefinder most of time, less stress on eyes and fast. For lens like 90mm, I generally don't have much problem focus, seldom I found I need perfect focus anyway, even if some percentage of images front focus slightly,(I try never back focus images) I don't think it really change anything for me. For real important ones, I can focus bracket. Sure I could use LV/EVF zoom for both M and Z. I never a big fan of shooting that way.

Z's AF is super reliable, as long as you don't select focus box too big to confuse the camera with background. Z with zoom is very practical and simply work but I have to say It doesn't have the same fun factor as using M.

For the case you described: shooting portrait with 90mm wide open, I would say I get about the same keeper rate either use Z7 EVF eye ball the focus or M rangefinder focus. (I can miss focus range from slightly to correct focus, with more time allowed, my keeper rate rising to almost 100% for both as well) I much prefer rangefinder focus though, much less stress on eyes and minds.

For important images like you do as pro, you might have to use 100% view to ensure getting the shot quickly. In that case, A AF lens is a better bet I think especially for MILC that you almost never fail to nail focus. It is much easy to deal under stress condition IMHO. For me, I just enjoy doing it slowly and rely on myself. That is the reason I didn't buy 105E till now even I think it is the best AF portrait lenses I have seen.

I compared 15VC with 14-30, I think 14-30 is actually a sharper lens, but shooting with real focus ring lens is so much more direct and reliable, I just hate to fiddle FBW, especially for hyper focal shooting. All the M wides have to stay. Z might come and go


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Gary Clennan wrote:
Bravo Michael!


Thank you, Gary, you are always so kind.

70-200 f4

Mount Whitney
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Apr 30, 2019 at 01:33 AM
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joakim wrote:
Z7 and Minolta Rokkor 58/1.2


Love the look, thanks for reminding me to use mine!




Apr 30, 2019 at 08:51 AM
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zhangyue wrote:
I never used that lens and I didn't pay much attention for that lens either. I think if I am back to Sony on rumored 16bit global shutter A9ii, I will seriously look at it but I think it is hard to not consider their new 135GM if I want a 135. I personally don't think it has best rendering compare to 135art and 105E for intend usage but overall I think it is the crown mid-tele glass with best resolution and super fast and reliable focus and still have very nice rendering. However, same as you, I feel 135mm
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Nice shots, Sir. My golden Nikkor prime lens triangle I tend to gravitate to again and again is the 1.4/24, 1.4/58 and the 1.4/105. I am mildly toying with the idea to add a super WA, such as the Voigtlander you mentioned. Seems more useful to me as their latest WA zoom, especially as I have got the 4/24-70 as well. Not decided yet. Filters may be a show stopper on the CV.



May 02, 2019 at 05:13 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
Thanks Michael. Maybe you've touched on it already in past pages and I missed it (or have forgotten): is your preference to use the 90 on the Leica, despite the inherent difficulties of focusing it with the rangefinder, or do you find you'll also use it on the Z7?

One of the thought processes in my head has been a camera like the Z7 for use with 90mm and longer lenses and 50 and wider on the M where they seem more at home. I use both the 90AA and the Macro. For general stopped down walk around shooting with
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Ron, I've found that the Nikon Z6 (can't speak for the Z7) is less than optimal for focusing longer fast lenses wide open. If you are comfortable focusing without magnifying the image, the viewfinder is great. You can also try the trick of setting your JPEG options to oversharpen the images. This way you'll see the aliasing glimmer. However, when magnified the frame rate slows down significantly and I've found it much harder to get accurate focus this way, especially if you are swaying slightly or if the subject is moving. So far I've used my CV 90/3.5 and 40/2 the most. These were easier to focus with magnification on the Sony bodies I had previously, particularly the A7III.



May 02, 2019 at 12:23 PM
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This might not make sense to some people, but has anyone tried the Canon EF 50/1.2L on Z-body?


May 02, 2019 at 06:02 PM
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Zeiss 100/2 Milvus









May 06, 2019 at 02:15 PM
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patotts wrote:
This might not make sense to some people, but has anyone tried the Canon EF 50/1.2L on Z-body?


Do we have any adapter available yet?



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