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genji wrote:
I find this really confusing. Why not ZF.2 lenses? (And am I mistaken in recalling that it was possible with the D300 and D700 to assign a non-CPU slot to third-party F-mount lenses?)
I am sorry that I am not clear about this. For ZF.2 lens, Z7 have no problem control aperture and record EXIF even before this firmware update.
Leitaxed R or AIS or ZF lenses, you can't control aperture through the body. and if you change aperture on Lens, body won't know. EXIF can only show focal length and MAX aperture that you stored in their NON-CPU lens bank after this firmware update.
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Mitch Alland wrote:
zhangyue/Desmolicious/Joakim - I've been following this thread ever since I picked up the Z6 and Z7 cameras in a camera store in Chiang Mai. The technology of these cameras is dazzling compared to my M10. While I love rangefinder shooting, IBIS and other aspects of the more advanced sensors if these two Nikons is tempting.
The one major frustration I have with the M10 is how easily it blows highlights when shooting directly into the light or with strong sidelight — much more easily than the M9-P and the M-Monochrom cameras that I sold when I bought the M10. Others have also identified this problem: Børge Indegaard in a thread here on his M10 review, in which he wrote about his problems with how M10 files are "pre-cooked" in order, presumably, to render a "better" SOOC image; and "adan" on LUF, who writes about the "weird sensitometry" of the M10. To deal with this highlight problem I have to underexpose the M10 by 0.7–2.0 stops, metering manually — but the problem is that it's hard to predict how much I have to underexpose without taking test shots, and underexposing by as much as 2 stops can create other issues in post-processing. The unpredictability of blowing highlights is compounded by the lens you use: for example, the new Summaron 28/f5.6 is a much higher contrast lens than the Summilux 35-FLE — and that compounds the unpredictability.
If I were to get the Z6 or Z7, I would sell the M10, as I simply cannot handle two cameras, particularly as, annually, I move between three continents on a 5-2-5 month basis. If I take this route, my inclination would be to get the Z6, unless I thought I would shoot lot of film (with my M3 and M6), in which I would prefer Z7 for "camera scanning", but the huge files of the Z7 would make me hesiate.
I'm "thinking out loud" here and would appreciate your views and advice on this. I should add that my preference is the older Leica lenses, like the DR Summicron, Summilux 50 pre-ASPH and the Summcron 35v4, although I also like the Summioux 35-FLE and the Summaron 28/f5.6. Also, my photography does not rely on high resolution: in B&W it's mostly high-contrast, though I do color as well....Show more →
Hi, Mitch, based on my impression from your work, I'd say you can't replace M with Z7. Z7 would be a nice add on for you if you have some itch on shining new gear, but, you clearly state you don't want have duel body setup.
Here is my opinion about this:
First of all, sensor. This is one of most over rated spec on internet nowadays, There is simply no poor sensor anymore no matter it is from Leica or Canon. The difference is really not that significant for 98% of images we shooting. I compared my recent travel images from Z7 and M240 in China, I'd say I don't feel M240 is lack at all even on paper M240 should at least one stop worse. The real challenge case for M240 to get a nice image will also be a challenge for Z7, at least that is my impression. Corner case is really for bragging right IMHO. You have to decide let it go one way or the other to blow the highlight or shadow for difficult case. That is exact I don't buy those internet bragging about Nikon Sony over Canon or Leica.
As the one you mentioned about highlight blow up for M10. I have to say depend on meter and scene, I can easily blow up highlight of Z7, D850 or any camera I used if I am not careful.
Let's say you have 14 stop Dynamic Range on Z7 and have 13 stop Dynamic Range on M240. For a given scene within 13 stop, both will be fine. it is all about select right exposure fit the scene in this Dynamic Range, the more close to 13 stop, the more careful you need about exposure. For modern digital photography and most scene you can't control light, there is no right or wrong exposure anymore, but how you try to fit the image right there within 13 stop. Yes, you may need underexposure .5 to 2 stop as you said to avoid blow the highlight but we nikon users need do the same. The camera with more DR definitely give you a little bit better error margin, but affected cases I'd say is very small as long as my main subject get decent lightness, the good image will be good even with blow highlight or black shadow.
Now about why I feel you will not happy with Z as sole system by using M lens. First of all, performance of WA won't be 100% or as good as native Leica. Then, the focus is totally different. You need have a quite good eyesight and skill to nail focus no matter is WO or stop down. (WO is hard due to shallow DOF, but stop down is also hard because difficult to determine correct sharpness at much wide DOF) M focus is straight forward especially for small aperture and wide angle shooting.
I do eye ball manual focus for many years with either OVF or EVF to improve my skill and I have almost perfect eyesight, I would say I still can't optimize 45M sensor of Z7 with manual focusing if I want shoot fast. All EVF based focus aid are comprised and trade off games between speed and accuracy. M is way more straight in this case.
However, if you plan use AF glass, this is totally different story. One thing Z will help you is you can overlay histogram on EVF during shooting to avoid blow highlight.
I hope this help. my 2 cents.
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Charles
And nice IQ too, from my first test shots around the house.
