Christian H wrote:
Well, it's not like Nikon doesn't already make lots of lenses that are way better than this mediocre POC. They likely don't want to admit they ever made it in the first place, lol. (e.g. it falls to the ground when you carry it by the foot - how dumb is that, in a telephoto lens?)
Maybe it just takes a competent photographer to get greats results from a mediocre POC:
Went shooting in the National Park near my home this afternoon and luckily there was a family of King Parrots, a male, a female and a couple of juveniles, feeding on seed pods on a tree.
Sharpness was not an issue, but moire was. These feathers are so iridescent that it is really difficult to photograph and keep moire under control.
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Lance beautiful captures as always.
Moire, from the sensor right?
Thank you very much, MM.
Yes, Moire from the sensor as the lens is so sharp it doesn't act as a quasi AA filter. With the very sharp lenses and with very fine detail, or fine detail with highlights, the more moire is visible. I see this with the 400 f2.8, 105 f1.4, 70-200 f2.8E FL VR as well at times depending on how fine the detail is and whether it has highlights as well. These feathers are diabolical for moire as they are quite iridescent and as such have spectacular highlights that can be hard to tone down and thus shows up moire quite readily.
Yes, Moire from the sensor as the lens is so sharp it doesn't act as a quasi AA filter. With the very sharp lenses and with very fine detail, or fine detail with highlights, the more moire is visible. I see this with the 400 f2.8, 105 f1.4, 70-200 f2.8E FL VR as well at times depending on how fine the detail is and whether it has highlights as well. These feathers are diabolical for moire as they are quite iridescent and as such have spectacular highlights that can be hard to tone down and thus shows up moire quite readily. ...Show more →
Beautiful images Lance. With detail like this, moire' can be a bitch. I've had sufficient luck with painting in moire' aid as well as diffraction aid in ACR. Have a look, I tried playing with your jpegs but would have better results with the raw files. Again, well done
Lance thank you.
I always thought moire had to do with the AA filter, so I googled and found the Z7 has no AA filter.
So moire can come from natural events (feathers in this case) as well.
Hey, I'm learning
Lance B wrote:
Thank you very much, MM.
Yes, Moire from the sensor as the lens is so sharp it doesn't act as a quasi AA filter. With the very sharp lenses and with very fine detail, or fine detail with highlights, the more moire is visible. I see this with the 400 f2.8, 105 f1.4, 70-200 f2.8E FL VR as well at times depending on how fine the detail is and whether it has highlights as well. These feathers are diabolical for moire as they are quite iridescent and as such have spectacular highlights that can be hard to tone down and thus shows up moire quite readily. ...Show more →
nuclearjock wrote:
Beautiful images Lance. With detail like this, moire' can be a bitch. I've had sufficient luck with painting in moire' aid as well as diffraction aid in ACR. Have a look, I tried playing with your jpegs but would have better results with the raw files. Again, well done
Thank you very much, NJ. Much appreciated!
Thank you also for the moire tips, I shall give them a go .
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Lance thank you.
I always thought moire had to do with the AA filter, so I googled and found the Z7 has no AA filter.
So moire can come from natural events (feathers in this case) as well.
Hey, I'm learning
Yes, without the AA filter, very fine detail can give us moire on these high Mp cameras. I think the Z6 with it's lower mp does have an AA filter because moire would show up more readily on coarser detail but due to the higher Mp of the Z7 it should suffer from moire less often and thus doesn't have one. However, as you can see, with such fine detail of these feathers it can rear its ugly head from time to time, but much of this is due to the highlights generated by these particular feathers. I have photographed feathers of similar detail but not have the highlights and the moire doesn't present a problem. However, on less Mp cameras even with an AA filter, moire can still occur with coarser detail like distant fences and the like. I had some issues with fences and other less fine detail with my D700 and it had an AA filter!
Nothing to do with the 500PF, moreso the D500.
I usually denoise the background on a separate layer but in truth I don't mind the
'noise/grain' in this background.
Lance... the detail in the parrot feathers is staggering!
Nicely done... looks as if the Z7 AF does work ...makes me wonder why Nikon puts the camera in the hands of people not willing to learn it before authoring their thoughts.
Latest vague update thanks to a helpful forum member is Jan for NPS and March for the peasants in Canada.... I'm sure by then Sony will have tempted me to put my money elsewhere....Nikon needs a new logistics manager me thinks.....
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EDIT - I canceled this lens order, you all waiting jumped up one. You are welcome!
I have a preorder for this lens with Kenmore Camera (a great camera store, btw), near Seattle. My spot in line appears to grow longer as NPS members continue to get in line ahead of me. At any rate, Kenmore Camera had their annual Camera Expo at the beginning of this month. At that event, I spoke with a Nikon representative about the supply/demand for this lens. I was told that, in the US, it will likely take Nikon nine months to deliver the lens to all the preorders that were initially made. I asked why, and was told that it takes nine months to produce the PF element itself. I'm not sure what to make of this situation. Surely the 300mm f/4 PF lens has been very popular, and you would think that Nikon could have anticipated the popularity of this 500mm f/5.6 PF lens.
Keith W.
In the big machine of life look for the smallest little dinky cog wheel, then look for a smidgen of oil on that wheel. That's me. Now explain why I have this lens ??
MedicineMan404 wrote:
In the big machine of life look for the smallest little dinky cog wheel, then look for a smidgen of oil on that wheel. That's me. Now explain why I have this lens ??
Webmstrk I thought about a D850 then decided not.
I've got an A7Riii for landscaping that can BIF if needed.
I've got an a9 for mid-distance BIF'ing.
And I've got the D500+500mm for long crop ability.
I think I'll hang out with this kit for a while and see what Nikon does with the Z7 mk iii.
I'm in the camp that believes (post a9 influence) that the future is brighter with mirrorless
and even in this thread the travails of Nikon are highlighted via their mismanagement
of the 500PF's availability.
So no more DSLRs for me. Too heavy and too clunky. I know the D850 is an oustanding machine
but gripped just looking at it and my joints hurt. At least ungripped the D500 doesn't hurt me yet.
Now when Commlite gets their adapter so the 500PF will work on the a9 like the 300PF does then adios to the D500.
Now I know this is a Nikon thread, don't flame me please. I like all cameras and do hope that Nikon remains viable as a company, that or merges with Sony! Ha!
OwlsEyes wrote:
Lance... the detail in the parrot feathers is staggering!
Nicely done... looks as if the Z7 AF does work ...makes me wonder why Nikon puts the camera in the hands of people not willing to learn it before authoring their thoughts.
I got moire in image files from my D1x way back when. All it took was a repeating pattern like a striped shirt or lace veil to get the effect. Fortunately if I take 10 shots the moire is usually evident in only 1-2 of the shots. When I change distance to the subject or the shot angle the moire effect can not be evident.
Where I had a big problem was in Costa Rica with a D800e and birds with back lit palm trees behind the birds. 10 out of 10 shots could have the moire evident with the palms and not exactly the bokeh one would like to see.
Nikon expected that people shooting with the D800e would have more problems than those with the D800 that had the AA filter but in real world shooting the problem was insignificant (unless you are around palm fronds).
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Because of the rapid rate of reduction of demand in Nikon's camera and lens products, it is understandable that they now launch products with cautious rate of production so that they don't end up with warehouses full of stuff that no one wants. It's also possible that some problem be found in the first lenses and they want to be able to correct the problem before more lenses have been manufactured.
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
The D850 has been the single-most sought after full frame camera for quite a while, which has been well documented since Christmas time last year.
The D500 is also the most sought after APS-C since it came out.
This lens, the lightest 500mm super telephoto on the planet, with image quality basically equaling $12,000 lenses, is going to be in high demand as long as it exists, and is pretty much without peer in the quality-to-price/weight department.
Maybe it just takes a competent photographer to get greats results from a mediocre POC:
...makes me wonder why Nikon puts the camera in the hands of people not willing to learn it before authoring their thoughts.
I'm sure by then Sony will have tempted me to put my money elsewhere....Nikon needs a new logistics manager me thinks.....
