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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.142 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


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Sep 14, 2019 at 09:14 AM
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p.142 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Why not the Nikon 300mm 2.8 and a 1.4, definitely would be better then the 500 5.6 or the 300 PF with a teleconverter


Sep 14, 2019 at 05:44 PM
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p.142 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


PrecisionPhoto wrote:
Why not the Nikon 300mm 2.8 and a 1.4, definitely would be better then the 500 5.6 or the 300 PF with a teleconverter


I am curious about what prompted this post...
Are you suggesting that the 300 f/2.8 + 1.4x (@420mm f/4) would be... sharper? focus faster? have better bokeh? than the 500 f/5.6PF? It certainly is not as compact, easy to use handheld or lighter?

From what I am seeing w/ my 500PF (used for a year now), it is much sharper than my 300mm f/2.8 AFS II (nonVR) w/ 1.4x ever was. In addition, I find that the 500PF has a more pleasing bokeh at f/5.6 than my 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x when shot at f/4.

Now it might be reasonable to suggest that the 500mm f/4G might be a better choice when compared to the PF lens, but many shooters have sold their G's because the weight & size was not worth the added stop of light.

With all that said, I would love to see a head to head comparison between the 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x, 500G, and 500PF. I could be wrong, but I think I know which lens would be sharpest at f/5.6.

cheers,
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Sep 14, 2019 at 10:09 PM
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p.142 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
I am curious about what prompted this post...
Are you suggesting that the 300 f/2.8 + 1.4x (@420mm f/4) would be... sharper? focus faster? have better bokeh? than the 500 f/5.6PF? It certainly is not as compact, easy to use handheld or lighter?

From what I am seeing w/ my 500PF (used for a year now), it is much sharper than my 300mm f/2.8 AFS II (nonVR) w/ 1.4x ever was. In addition, I find that the 500PF has a more pleasing bokeh at f/5.6 than my 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x when shot at f/4.

Now it might be reasonable to suggest
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I'm sure your right with your experience, but I wager the 300 2.8 would win without a teleconverter in the way and sure would be faster
I think there's limits to what you can do with a slow 5.6 over a 2.8
I too would love to see a head to head comparison between the 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x, 500G, and 500PF
Did you experience problems with the foot like Steve Perry did when the lens fell in the ground?

&t=662s
I'll have to read this entire thread to get a better understanding of your joy of the lens, thanks



Sep 14, 2019 at 10:56 PM
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p.142 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


PrecisionPhoto wrote:
I'm sure your right with your experience, but I wager the 300 2.8 would win without a teleconverter in the way and sure would be faster
I think there's limits to what you can do with a slow 5.6 over a 2.8
I too would love to see a head to head comparison between the 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x, 500G, and 500PF
Did you experience problems with the foot like Steve Perry did when the lens fell in the ground?

&t=662s
I'll have to read this entire thread to get a better understanding of your joy of the lens, thanks


The f/5.6 is beloved by folks with mobility issues - you know, folks who argue the merits of camera bodies based on their weight. Their enjoyment makes more sense, pardon the pun, seen through that lens. Considerations of f-stop, composition, light, and so on matter only marginally to those users, if at all.



Sep 15, 2019 at 06:30 AM
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p.142 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


PrecisionPhoto wrote:
I'm sure your right with your experience, but I wager the 300 2.8 would win without a teleconverter in the way and sure would be faster
I think there's limits to what you can do with a slow 5.6 over a 2.8
I too would love to see a head to head comparison between the 300mm f/2.8 + 1.4x, 500G, and 500PF
Did you experience problems with the foot like Steve Perry did when the lens fell in the ground?

I'll have to read this entire thread to get a better understanding of your joy of the lens, thanks


There is absolutely no doubt that the 300mm f/2.8 will be ultra sharp without converter. As to which is sharper... well I think that this might be difficult to determine, as the charm of the 300mm f/2.8 is in the shooting at f/2.8 to f/3.5. I'm not one to compare MTF curves, but I do recall checking them out prior to the 500PF's availability. If I recall, these curves suggest that the 500PF would be as sharp as the 500mm f/4 FLE, which is only bested by the 400mm FLE and 600mm FLE.

As for the tripod foot, I replaced mine first w/ a RRS and later with the Hejnar long before Steve's video appeared. This is a very long thread, but you will see that this was a discussion back in the early days.
In the end, if you want to shoot at 500mm more than 300mm, then you are better off w/ either the PF or one of the various 500mm f/4 lenses. On the other hand, if you want to shoot more often at 300mm, then you can't beat Nikon's 300mm f/2.8's... that is until the new 120-300mm f/2.8 is on the market... a lens that I doubt will be in my budget .

cheers,
bruce


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Sep 15, 2019 at 06:39 AM
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p.142 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Christian H wrote:
The f/5.6 is beloved by folks with mobility issues - you know, folks who argue the merits of camera bodies based on their weight. Their enjoyment makes more sense, pardon the pun, seen through that lens. Considerations of f-stop, composition, light, and so on matter only marginally to those users, if at all.


This is a shallow and Bull $h!T response. Your contribution is pure elitist and suggests your lack of experience with the lens. Personally, I do not have mobility issues as I carry 3-bodies, a 200-400VR, and the 500PF lens in my backpack.

Based on your unwillingness to actually try the lens, I can only assume that you feel like a "real man" because you are willing to tote your 500mm f/4G around... if not this, then maybe your lens makes you look and feel like a real photographer, an intrinsic reward that you might feel the need to reinforce.

With that said, it is not the lens that determines the composition nor the amount of ambient light available, it is the photographer that determines how to make the most of that light and the compositional choices made w/ each given subject...

Try a 500mm PF and give it a go... you might find that you will be able to get some better angles on that Red Tailed Hawk that you love to shoot and share.

cheers,
bruce



Sep 15, 2019 at 06:53 AM
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p.142 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread



You are so right! This lens is attractive to people with normalcy issues coupled with love of wildlife and photography. People, who are interested in traveling, hiking, boating and exploring (wild) life. Photography combines personal and professional choices. There are some, who want to see/capture wildlife as it is. You need a setup for that.
If I would be ever disabled to only sit behind or use my energy to carry a 5-10 kg setup,I'd rather visit a Bence Máté hide for an exquisitely high quality experience.
That said, quality matters and the current subject of discussion meets expectations beyond 1-2 f-stops. Maybe, read the thread.

As for the new Nikon mirrorless system and it's good lenses; again, factor in many considerations, when making your choice (beyond the f-stop kinda' thinking).

I would usually not respond to such an emotional comment, because it's mostly useless. So take it easy and watch through the technical details discussed on many pages above.

Christian H wrote:
The f/5.6 is beloved by folks with mobility issues - you know, folks who argue the merits of camera bodies based on their weight. Their enjoyment makes more sense, pardon the pun, seen through that lens. Considerations of f-stop, composition, light, and so on matter only marginally to those users, if at all.




Sep 15, 2019 at 07:13 AM
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p.142 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I recently sold my Nikon 200-400 f/4 and miss it but it required special events or long trips to the bush or beach to get the most out of and struggle to justify getting another long lens

Presently I cut back my kit to the D850, Nikon 70-200E, Sigma 14-24 and the new crazy sharp Tamron 35 1.4

I guess it comes down to shooting style and how much time I have to get out and use the lenses I do have.

After being on FM for the last 13 years I do note a change in the social interaction here and have to be careful how it upsets me some of the conversations can go south over the smallest things and try to be careful what I say or how my comments will be judged.

I do appreciate first hand use of equipment from members here over speculation and charts and still will consider the 500 PF and want to cozy up to a long read anyway and a morning cup or two of coffee because of my love of photography
Thanks



Sep 15, 2019 at 08:22 AM
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p.142 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


PrecisionPhoto wrote:
I recently sold my Nikon 200-400 f/4 and miss it but it required special events or long trips to the bush or beach to get the most out of and struggle to justify getting another long lens

Presently I cut back my kit to the D850, Nikon 70-200E, Sigma 14-24 and the new crazy sharp Tamron 35 1.4

I guess it comes down to shooting style and how much time I have to get out and use the lenses I do have.

After being on FM for the last 13 years I do note a change in the social interaction here and
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I sincerely hope that my responses to you were not offensive, I was truly intending to inform based on my experiences.
Like you, I have been a long time member of FM. I have personally wandered from Nikon film/digital to Canon and back to Nikon in early 2014. Through my meanderings, I have used various 300mm f/2.8 lenses, 200-400, 500mm f/ AFS 1, 300PF, 200-500, and the 500PF. Between my wife and I, we currently shoot the following telephoto lenses... 70-200 f/2.8 g1, 70-200 f/2.8E, 200-400 VR1, 200-500VR, and 500PF. With more than 15 years of Nikon shooting experience (and Contax and Hasselblad prior to that), I have tried to be fair, consistent, and unbiased w/ respect to gear.
You will note, I have never stated that the 500PF was superior to the 500 f/4G or the current Sigma 500mm f/4. In fact, if you read through this thread you will see that I struggled w/ my final decision to choose the f/5.6 lens over the f/4. What's more, I continue to wonder if I made the right choice, as I do appreciate the value of the extra stop of light.
With that said, I find little fault with the 500mmPF. While it is an f/5.6 lens, it is crazy sharp at f/5.6, has very effective VR, and is easy to carry and shoot handheld. In fact, I now shoot some subjects (like small birds) that I never use to shoot. Small birds move fast and are on open perches for brief periods of time. I found my 200-400 too frustrating to use when pursuing these animals, so I would ignore them. Because the 500PF is the size of a 70-200, I am now more likely to squeeze myself where no tripod could go. In the end, I think that is fair to say that no one lens is perfect...

cheers,
bruce



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p.142 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Not at all Bruce
The 200-400 I had with the D850 was + 10lbs
not a easy carry for being 68



Sep 15, 2019 at 09:09 AM
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p.142 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


PrecisionPhoto wrote:
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After being on FM for the last 13 years I do note a change in the social interaction here and have to be careful how it upsets me some of the conversations can go south over the smallest things and try to be careful what I say or how my comments will be judged.

I do appreciate first hand use of equipment from members here over speculation and charts and still will consider the 500 PF and want to cozy up to a long read anyway and a morning cup or two of coffee because of my love of photography
Thanks


Don't expect a normal post or a useful contribution from him. It's not first and, regretable, not the last.
Luckily there're just only a few of those on FM and you can "hide" them.



Sep 15, 2019 at 11:31 AM
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p.142 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


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Sep 15, 2019 at 02:21 PM
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p.142 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Used my 500PF for some BIF this weekend rather than my 600E. The smaller size and low mass of the 500PF enabled me to better keep up to (well, sort of) these little speed demons and as a result I came away with more keepers. I briefly tried switching to the 600E and moved the decoy owl I was using further away to compensate for the narrower field-of-view but gave up after a few minutes...I just couldn't follow the frenetic action fast enough due to the mass of the lens. Previously I thought the 500E would be the best lens to use in this situation, but I now believe even it is too heavy for this type of shooting, at least for me. Also, this is a great example of where the larger FOV of FX can be critical. Even so, most of my keepers are really tight crops. My wife, who was accompanying me was awe-struck how fast and agile these guys are. Yeah, no kidding.

P.S. Don't try this with a Z7!





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Sep 15, 2019 at 03:05 PM
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p.142 #15 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
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Excellent images Geoff...would you say as good as the D850?



Sep 15, 2019 at 03:44 PM
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p.142 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


You people keep showing me all these great shots for the 500 I'm going to get in trouble from the wife when it shows up in the mail
Great work, wow!



Sep 15, 2019 at 06:25 PM
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p.142 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Some from my late July trip to Costa Rica...
None of these were sets. All images were shot in an opportunistic manner. The last time I took my biology students to these locations, I used my 200-400VR and was not nearly as productive as I was this year. Because I was in Costa Rica as a lecturer and research facilitator, I was responsible for my students and their field research. Thus all of my photographic pursuits occurred when my colleagues were doing the lectures and seminars.

cheers,
bruce










































Sep 15, 2019 at 06:55 PM
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p.142 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


A few miscellaneous frames from the very short visit I made, before my flight, to Hornsby Bend near Austin airport...


































Sep 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM
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p.142 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


What RRS (Kirk) foot is now made for this lens?
Thanks



Sep 16, 2019 at 12:02 PM
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p.142 #20 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Gary Irwin wrote:
Used my 500PF for some BIF this weekend rather than my 600E. The smaller size and low mass of the 500PF enabled me to better keep up to (well, sort of) these little speed demons and as a result I came away with more keepers. I briefly tried switching to the 600E and moved the decoy owl I was using further away to compensate for the narrower field-of-view but gave up after a few minutes...I just couldn't follow the frenetic action fast enough due to the mass of the lens. Previously I thought the 500E would be the best
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That is one helluva good Kestrel image, Gary - VERY nice!




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