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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.103 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


bs kite wrote:
I accidentally deleted the original post, thinking it was a duplicate.

Nuclearjock’s comment made me laugh, and I laughed every time I re-read the words “Good grief!!!” while playing the video of that raucous group.

Yes, I have long-felt that Australia is among the most fascinating natural treasures of the world.

I want to see more Kookaburra chaos videos! They are a riot.

Robert

That’s it Lance! You or Charles should do a short video clip of a really close Kookaburra with that new Z or the D850. Just a suggestion.

Thanks


Kookaburra's like Magpies become very tame and become like family members. Often I can feed Kookaburras out of my hand and they are so demanding around feed times

Here is a link to some Magpies that become family members!


http://www.facebook.com/themagpiewhisperer/videos/969007543193398/



Mar 16, 2019 at 09:19 PM
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p.103 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


charles.K wrote:
Kookaburra's like Magpies become very tame and become like family members. Often I can feed Kookaburras out of my hand and they are so demanding around feed times

Here is a link to some Magpies that become family members!

http://www.facebook.com/themagpiewhisperer/videos/969007543193398/


Thanks Charles.




Mar 17, 2019 at 12:56 AM
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p.103 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Buying a new or even Used TC, get the III. The E Nikkors are optimized for this newer version apparently. It will need AF tuning if used on a DSLR

enjoy. As we know, the 500 PF is a wonderful optic :-)



Mar 17, 2019 at 06:32 AM
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p.103 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I have been re-reading much of this thread, going back to the very beginning and doing spot readings at various random locations. One thing struck me as being funny:

When this lens was introduced, for various reasons, more than several of you said you would *not* buy the lens. Now, as I go through your names in my mind, all but one of you have bought it and you really like it a lot. Btw, no insult intended at all.

From all information available on this lens (including all here) I now know/see the pros and cons of this lens. It truly is a breakthrough lens, because of the dramatic weight/size reduction, while maintaining high Nikkor quality.

*Here is my question*:

I get very excited about shooting waterbirds taking off. I love it when it happens and I am ready. Ideally, the bird is moving tangentially toward and ultimately right past me. For that purpose I love my 200-500. Oh, it is not perfect and I know its shortcomings. But it *is* a zoom. And I enjoy the freedom of being able to pull back the focal length.

Have any of you 500 PF shooters/owners yet had the opportunity/pleasure to shoot a waterbird(s) taking to flight? It does not come often. Psychologically, how do you deal with the fact that you cannot reduce the focal length as the bird is beginning to fill the frame as it flies toward you? And how do you deal with it physically?

The only strategy I can think of is to *work farther away*, so that when the bird initiates flight, to accept a smaller subject in the frame during those initial frames in the sequence. I am confident that the 500 PF and D850 will quickly acquire and hold it for the entire sequence. The other strategy would be get the images early in the sequence and accept the cropped images later in the sequence.

With the prime, as the bird moves, if it comes too close, I’ll never be able to prevent the cropping of it. .

Maybe I am overthinking all of this because I have never owned a 500 prime.

Just wanted to get a few thoughts.

Thanks much.

Robert



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Mar 17, 2019 at 09:58 AM
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p.103 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


There are excellent BIF photos in this thread, including waterbirds. Given one can handhold this lens so easily (or use a light monopod if out for long periods), it's easier and quicker to respond in many situations. The slower speed i.e. f5.6 is not a hindrance IME of the 500 PF on the D850 and Z7, but I don't shoot BIF very often.

Have you seen Brad Hill's recent report, where he's most pleased with this Nikkor? It's motivated some discussion here [pg 100 above] and also on dpr
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62411517



Mar 17, 2019 at 10:44 AM
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In my experience, the bird is usually too far so the sharpness of the lens wide open and AF performance are really important to get good results in those circumstances. If the best shots are truncated in a way that you don't want then you should use a shorter lens.

I did not find it easy to zoom back on a fast approaching subject with the 200-500 but perhaps with a 80-400 or 180-400 it would be. When shooting action with a zoom, I find that having to control the zoom all the time distracts me from following the action. I often end up keeping a too wide framing to be sure everything is included and this reduces the visual separation of the main subject from the background. Shooting with a prime involves some risks but there are advantages when things do fall in place.

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Mar 17, 2019 at 10:59 AM
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p.103 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


chambeshi wrote:
There are excellent BIF photos in this thread, including waterbirds. Given one can handhold this lens so easily (or use a light monopod if out for long periods), it's easier and quicker to respond in many situations. The slower speed i.e. f5.6 is not a hindrance IME of the 500 PF on the D850 and Z7, but I don't shoot BIF very often.

Have you seen Brad Hill's recent report, where he's most pleased with this Nikkor? It's motivated some discussion here [pg 100 above] and also on dpr
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62411517


This is a good point you make: “.......it's easier and quicker to respond in many situations.” I suspect that as they respond, others will say that this quickness has a large positive effect on BIF.

Yes, I read his review and liked it a lot, but am hoping not to get into its details here.

I am really hoping this thread remains focused specifically on any thoughts on my question(s).

Thanks for that point you made on quickness.

Robert




Mar 17, 2019 at 11:00 AM
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In my experience, the bird is usually too far so the sharpness of the lens wide open and AF performance are really important to get good results in those circumstances. If the best shots are truncated in a way that you don't want then you should use a shorter lens.

I did not find it easy to zoom back on a fast approaching subject with the 200-500 but perhaps with a 80-400 or 180-400 it would be. When shooting action with a zoom, I find that having to control the zoom all the time distracts me from following the action. I
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Your point is well-taken. I understand completely.

I agree with your points regarding zooming back on a fast moving subject with the 200-500. Exactly!

Just to clarify, I am referring to "small-duck-size and up" waterbirds. I am not referring to anything smaller or faster. No chance with them.

I have practiced this technique a lot and I am able to reduce the focal length as the bird approaches, keeping it pretty much in the center (even with the 200-500). It requires correct placement of the zoom hand at the very beginning of the flight. It then requires suddenly stopping (at some point during the sequence), quickly rotating the zoom to a shorter focal length, and then resuming the 9 frames per second.

Like you, I find it too difficult to hold the subject in the middle of the frame while zooming.

Thanks for the comment

Robert



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p.103 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


This would not have happened with anything less than 500mm...







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p.103 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Just a random shot this morning. Nothing spectacular but I love the PF.







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p.103 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


AvianScott wrote:
This would not have happened with anything less than 500mm...


Beautiful image of that skunk! I love the eyes, the look.

They're breeding now. They are out and about, after being inactive all winter. Watch out for them in the road everyone, especially from now through mid-summer, until the kits get up there enough to have a clue as to what's happening.

Love to have a good skunk shoot one of these days, in bright diffused light.

Robert



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p.103 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


[Robert wrote]:
"I have been re-reading much of this thread, going back to the very beginning and doing spot readings at various random locations. One thing struck me as being funny:

When this lens was introduced, for various reasons, more than several of you said you would *not* buy the lens. Now, as I go through your names in my mind, all but one of you have bought it and you really like it a lot. Btw, no insult intended at all. "

[I] I too noticed right after this lens was announced a lot of negative comments. Hadn't realized that these same people than bought the lens! So thanks for pointing this out. We all have the right to change our mind. [I]


*Here is my question*:

I get very excited about shooting waterbirds taking off. I love it when it happens and I am ready. Ideally, the bird is moving tangentially toward and ultimately right past me. For that purpose I love my 200-500. Oh, it is not perfect and I know its shortcomings. But it *is* a zoom. And I enjoy the freedom of being able to pull back the focal length.

Have any of you 500 PF shooters/owners yet had the opportunity/pleasure to shoot a waterbird(s) taking to flight? It does not come often. Psychologically, how do you deal with the fact that you cannot reduce the focal length as the bird is beginning to fill the frame as it flies toward you? And how do you deal with it physically?"

[I] When I got my first DSLR about 9 years ago, I got two zoom lens. However, I was dissatisfied with the quality of my photos compared to others. So I switched to primes. It does change one's perspective and limit one's ability to compose a picture. I have both the 200-500mm lens and 500mm prime and find that, despite this limitation, I prefer the prime because of its ability to focus faster and it being lighter and more maneuverable. However if one is too close, there is no way one would be able to fit the whole subject into the frame. So for slow moving large animals (ie. a bear, etc), I think the 200-500mm lens would work better. In general though, I find with most birds I am not that close and often my brain does not function fast enough to respond to zoom. Recently (I had the 500mm f/5.6 lens on my camera), a harrier hawk landed right in front of me and caught its prey and took off and it was too close for this lens, so just had to focus on the catch:[I]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60519499@N00/43654300110/in/album-72157702469641884/





Mar 17, 2019 at 12:37 PM
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p.103 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


ricardo00 wrote:
[Robert wrote]:
"I have been re-reading much of this thread, going back to the very beginning and doing spot readings at various random locations. One thing struck me as being funny:

When this lens was introduced, for various reasons, more than several of you said you would *not* buy the lens. Now, as I go through your names in my mind, all but one of you have bought it and you really like it a lot. Btw, no insult intended at all. "

[I] I too noticed right after this lens was announced a lot of negative comments. Hadn't realized that these
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That increased maneuverability and speed *is* something I want.

Yes, it is disappointing to miss a Harrier shot like that. At least you got something. That illustrates a very important point in wildlife photography: Having everything preset and being constantly aware of what is happening and what scenarios to expect........are much more important than what equipment we are using.

When I am out there, I am constantly searching the records that are kept in my mind;, i.e. "what could happen next?”.....”is there something I can do now to improve my chances?” I use past experiences to constantly search for the most likely scenarios. That trumps any equipment.

Here is one juvenile Harrier that I captured at Bosque del Apache this last November. Aren’t they fun to shoot! I am back there asap, in pursuit of the perfect Harrier shot and all else that is there. I love it!

This hawk was probably a little naive: As you know, these hawks spend their entire days sweeping back and forth, just above the surfaces of open fields, searching for small rodents. I was seated in the dirt, at the slope-toe of a gravel road, watching as this bird constantly hunted this field in front of me....but it never got close enough to me. Then it left this open field, crossing over the dirt road to another open field behind me. I quickly got up, keeping my eyes on this hawk. It still had not gotten nearly close enough for a good shot.

I was suspecting it would soon return. Within a minute it did turn and headed back to the first field it had left. I kept low, and just by chance, it crossed the dirt road near me. It was not until I released a burst of frames (D850, 200-500mm), that it spotted me and quickly dived behind a dead tree.

Honestly, the 500 5.6 might have been a little better here. But not by much and maybe not at all. It would have acquired faster and maybe been a little sharper....and maybe not. This image is significantly cropped. I believe my 200-500 is very sharp. And I love the D850.

Thanks for your feedback.

Robert





This is an immature Northern Harrier (Marsh Hawk). The owl-like facial disk is diagnostic for the juvenile.




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p.103 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


That is an awesome shot of a harrier in flight! However, I see you chose to shoot it at 500mm and focus on the face and not zoom out to try to get the whole bird. Which is exactly what one would have had to do with the 500mm prime. So one needs to adjust to the limitations of one's equipment and sometimes, even being prepared, a shot is just not possible. The other day a white-tailed kite landed so close to us we could hear the moose squeak when the kite caught it. However it was in tail grass so there was no way to get a pic.


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ricardo00 wrote:
That is an awesome shot of a harrier in flight! However, I see you chose to shoot it at 500mm and focus on the face and not zoom out to try to get the whole bird. Which is exactly what one would have had to do with the 500mm prime. So one needs to adjust to the limitations of one's equipment and sometimes, even being prepared, a shot is just not possible. The other day a white-tailed kite landed so close to us we could hear the moose squeak when the kite caught it. However it was in tail
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Thank you so much for your kind compliment. I am so glad you liked the image.

I did get the entire bird at 500mm. In the last post, I wrote: “This image is significantly cropped.”.

The fact that it held up so good is credit to the D850’s 8000+ mpx (long side) files.

Thank you for viewing it.

Robert











Here is the entire image.




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ilkka_nissila wrote:
In my experience, the bird is usually too far so the sharpness of the lens wide open and AF performance are really important to get good results in those circumstances. If the best shots are truncated in a way that you don't want then you should use a shorter lens.

I did not find it easy to zoom back on a fast approaching subject with the 200-500 but perhaps with a 80-400 or 180-400 it would be. When shooting action with a zoom, I find that having to control the zoom all the time distracts me from following the action. I
...Show more

Based on my last discussion with ricardo00, I am beginning to see what you were referring to when you said "Shooting with a prime involves some risks but there are advantages when things do fall in place.”

So if I am shooting the 500 5.6 (prime), and the in-flying waterbird (referred to in earlier post), flies beyond the limits of my frame and becomes cropped in the shooting sequence, I get the big bonus of having a piece (perhaps the face) of the bird, covered by 45 megapixels (with the D850). That’s good, not bad. I think I'm beginning to understand this now.




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p.103 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


bs kite wrote:
Thank you so much for your kind compliment. I am so glad you liked the image.

I did get the entire bird at 500mm. In the last post, I wrote: “This image is significantly cropped.”.

The fact that it held up so good is credit to the D850’s 8000+ mpx (long side) files.

Thank you for viewing it.

Robert


Great shot of the Harrier! One of my nemesis birds (along with Kingfishers)... always so close but yet so far... or they just surprise you when you aren't ready for them, like this one I took just a few hours ago. These would not hold up to any more cropping and honestly I wouldn't have posted it other then it's timely talking about Harriers














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Hi Robert!

bs kite wrote:
When this lens was introduced, for various reasons, more than several of you said you would *not* buy the lens. Now, as I go through your names in my mind, all but one of you have bought it and you really like it a lot. Btw, no insult intended at all.


I resemble that remark!

Actually I don't recall saying I wouldn't buy it, but I do recall thinking such a lens would fall short for my "needs". Suffice it to say I was persuaded to give it a chance because (1) it performs better than I thought it would for the price...VR is fine, AF is fine, it's sharp wide open and I can live with f5.6 for some types of shooting; (2) it's small size and light weight on paper doesn't do it justice -- you have to pick it up to appreciate what a "pocket rocket" it really is; (3) it's not an expensive lens IMO; (4) I'm doubtful that Nikon will release a 600/5.6PF or 400/4PF anytime soon, and maybe never in an f-mount; (5) with the upheaval in the camera market I decided owning one uber-expensive supertele (600E) was enough for me...so that immediately ruled out the 500E and 180-400E which otherwise might have been better options for me. I honestly don't know yet whether the 500PF will be a long term keeper yet...I essentially bought it as a long-term rental.


From all information available on this lens (including all here) I now know/see the pros and cons of this lens. It truly is a breakthrough lens, because of the dramatic weight/size reduction, while maintaining high Nikkor quality.

I would agree.


*Here is my question*:

I get very excited about shooting waterbirds taking off. I love it when it happens and I am ready. Ideally, the bird is moving tangentially toward and ultimately right past me. For that purpose I love my 200-500. Oh, it is not perfect and I know its shortcomings. But it *is* a zoom. And I enjoy the freedom of being able to pull back the focal length.

Have any of you 500 PF shooters/owners yet had the opportunity/pleasure to shoot a waterbird(s) taking to flight? It does not come often. Psychologically, how do you deal with the fact
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I doff my hat to you if you can zoom while shooting BIF...that's a skill I have never acquired...it's all I can do to keep the bird somewhere in the frame, or more importantly, somewhere in the focus area. But the problem you are highlighting is precisely why I shoot the D850 and not the D500...lots of quality pixels to work with means lots of working room and cropping options. Sure, I clip wings from time to time, but it doesn't happen often enough for me to worry about it. Besides, although I own the 200-500VR mine isn't *that* sharp at 500mm wide open and the AF is sluggish to lock on and f5.6 is not fast enough for some birds around here without bumping the ISO to uncomfortable levels...not the best attributes for a BIF lens.

FWIW



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p.103 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


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Great shot of the Harrier! One of my nemesis birds (along with Kingfishers)... always so close but yet so far... or they just surprise you when you aren't ready for them, like this one I took just a few hours ago. These would not hold up to any more cropping and honestly I wouldn't have posted it other then it's timely talking about Harriers




What are you invisible? You come up with the greatest shoots. These two may be the best Harrier shots I’ve seen (at least). It looks close to me. Wow! I am envious. Back to the drawing board.

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Hi Robert!

I resemble that remark!

Actually I don't recall saying I wouldn't buy it, but I do recall thinking such a lens would fall short for my "needs". Suffice it to say I was persuaded to give it a chance because (1) it performs better than I thought it would for the price...VR is fine, AF is fine, it's sharp wide open and I can live with f5.6 for some types of shooting; (2) it's small size and light weight on paper doesn't do it justice -- you have to pick it up to appreciate what a "pocket
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Great response Gary. All you wrote makes sense to me.

On the FM Forum, I don’t know how to highlight parts of text and separate responses. So I will just try to recall what you said and respond to what I recall now.

I will start at the end. I suspect I will be following the rest of you by dropping the $3500 for this lens soon. This lens is just too quick, sharp, compact and lightweight. But for now, I am hanging on to that money as long as possible, while I think more on it. I have to watch I do not make a $ mistake. Other expenses you know. In the end, I’ll likely surrender.

If I could drop the kind of money necessary, I would be tempted to get the 180-400. But then I would be into the weight and I am trying to get away from weight.

I believe you are right about Nikon *not* coming out with a 600 5.6 or that 400 PF you all are crazy about. That 400 PF with the 3rd generation 1.4 would be so exciting I think. Makes me wonder what Nikon is thinking.

Btw, I ran into a Dennis Danheiser (from Buffalo NY) at Bosque del Apache. What a treat he turned out to be. He needed jumper cables and that started it off. Reason I mention this is that Dennis was shooting the Canon 400 DO with a 1.4. I loved it.

https://ddanheisernatureimages.smugmug.com

Anyway, let you go for now Gary.

Thanks



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