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MedicineMan404 wrote:
Bob I NEED the a6500 just with the FZ battery, the joystick, and maybe 30mpx and Sony can
call it anything they'd like. I'm going with a7000


Sign me up if it is in an A7/9 body....if it is in the A6500 body, I'd probably pass....though to get the new battery in it will probably have to be in a larger body.

Or even better make me an A9R with 47MPs at 20FPS, blackout free, silent electronic shutter with no distortion......heck I'll even "settle" for 15FPS



May 21, 2018 at 07:20 AM
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47mpx! Now that would be pixel dense on a cropper! I think current a6500 is 30% more pixel rich than A7Riii and you're wanting to double that,wow. Hey I'd give it the whirl.
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Sign me up if it is in an A7/9 body....if it is in the A6500 body, I'd probably pass....though to get the new battery in it will probably have to be in a larger body.

Or even better make me an A9R with 47MPs at 20FPS, blackout free, silent electronic shutter with no distortion......heck I'll even "settle" for 15FPS




May 21, 2018 at 09:08 AM
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p.4 #3 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


I had the 2.0x along with the 1.4x and sold it when I just had the 70200GM.

I read good things when I got my 100400GM and got another one and find the 2x to be excellent and highly recommend it.

It would be interesting to know why it does not perform as well on the 70200GM?

I hope it works at least as good on the rumored 200600GM and the Sony 135 1.8 that is coming out and that we will be able to use the TC's and have them work very well on the 135.


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May 21, 2018 at 10:19 AM
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p.4 #4 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


I hope the rumored 200-600 is real and accepts the TCs :-)

Robert. I believe Arbitrage meant 47MP on an A9R. I'd get one in an instant if it was as fast as the A9. Basically, a camera with the advantages of the A7Riii rolled up with the advantages of the A9!!

Do they still make supercomputers?



May 21, 2018 at 10:36 AM
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p.4 #5 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


200-600 rumored yes but GM The GM part is a new rumor to me. Personally I doubt the GM part. The 200-600 more to compete with the Siggies and Tammy's and the Nikkor 200-500 and thus will be G at best and even more likely not even G to keep in the aforementioned lenses' price range. Still might take the TCs though but no breath holding on that. More,it will be announced with the a7000 My crystal ball is getting hot must put it down now.

trstahly wrote:
I had the 2.0x along with the 1.4x and sold it when I just had the 70200GM.

I read good things when I got my 100400GM and find the 2x to be excellent and highly recommend it.

It would be interesting to know why it does not perform as well on the 70200GM?

I hope it works at least as good on the rumored 200600GM and the Sony 135 1.8 that is coming out and that we will be able to use the TC's and have them work very well on the 135.





May 21, 2018 at 10:45 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
47mpx! Now that would be pixel dense on a cropper! I think current a6500 is 30% more pixel rich than A7Riii and you're wanting to double that,wow. Hey I'd give it the whirl.



No, 47MPs on A9R full frame...or a few more to equal a 24MP cropper (I guess that would be 54MPs)....would allow FF field of view to track things better but if reach limited give you way more pixels than current A9. Basically a D850 but in a mirrorless with A9 (or newer) tech.



May 21, 2018 at 11:01 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
No, 47MPs on A9R full frame...or a few more to equal a 24MP cropper (I guess that would be 54MPs)....would allow FF field of view to track things better but if reach limited give you way more pixels than current A9. Basically a D850 but in a mirrorless with A9 (or newer) tech.


While 10fps with the A7R3 is enough for me, if they bumped the MP up some, I have to admit I'd be tempted by such a camera...even though I told myself the A7R3 is all the camera I'll need for awhile.

Also, I'd hope that more emphasis would be put on weather sealing etc. Make it a camera that even the most die-hard Canon/Nikon user would be tempted by for sports work.




May 21, 2018 at 12:04 PM
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A9II is what I'm waiting to hear about. Would like to see a res increase but more important is improved ergonomics and build. Physically larger, more room for big glass around the mount and grip, 30-36MP, increased DR, 24fps, massively increased CDAF points like A7R3, even higher res EVF and rear LCD, top LCD. And 400/500/600 f/4, 150/200-500/600 f/5.6 ready in 2019 at latest.


May 21, 2018 at 10:08 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
A9II is what I'm waiting to hear about. Would like to see a res increase but more important is improved ergonomics and build. Physically larger, more room for big glass around the mount and grip, 30-36MP, increased DR, 24fps, massively increased CDAF points like A7R3, even higher res EVF and rear LCD, top LCD. And 400/500/600 f/4, 150/200-500/600 f/5.6 ready in 2019 at latest.


I just saw an A9 selling below 3K at the buy and sell board. Perhaps it's a good time to get one. It's not 30MP but I doubt you will notice any difference between 24 and 30MP.
24fps? Really?



May 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM
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MedicineMan404 wrote:
200-600 rumored yes but GM The GM part is a new rumor to me. Personally I doubt the GM part. The 200-600 more to compete with the Siggies and Tammy's and the Nikkor 200-500 and thus will be G at best and even more likely not even G to keep in the aforementioned lenses' price range. Still might take the TCs though but no breath holding on that. More,it will be announced with the a7000 My crystal ball is getting hot must put it down now.



It'd be nice if it wasn't a GM strictly from a price consideration. The 85mmf1.8 isn't, and it's a wonderful lens and price point. I'd love to see a 200-600.



May 24, 2018 at 12:29 PM
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After shooting at 20FPS, I don’t think we need anymore than that. Even at 20 I’m getting way to many duplicate shots. Also this ain’t a 7D2, the AF is so consistent I don’t need hundreds of “insurance “ shots.

Fred Miranda wrote:
I just saw an A9 selling below 3K at the buy and sell board. Perhaps it's a good time to get one. It's not 30MP but I doubt you will notice any difference between 24 and 30MP.
24fps? Really?




May 25, 2018 at 07:23 AM
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p.4 #12 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


arbitrage wrote:
After shooting at 20FPS, I don’t think we need anymore than that. Even at 20 I’m getting way to many duplicate shots. Also this ain’t a 7D2, the AF is so consistent I don’t need hundreds of “insurance “ shots.



I agree and think the FPS race is over. It's almost standard video frame rate. Now, we can start increasing resolution while keeping the same frame rate. (20fps)



Jun 01, 2018 at 07:34 PM
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Scott,spot on. The 85/1.8 is a gift from Sony. Not everyone makes money with photography or portraiture but still wants this FL in the bag. I feel same about the 28/2.
scott f wrote:
It'd be nice if it wasn't a GM strictly from a price consideration. The 85mmf1.8 isn't, and it's a wonderful lens and price point. I'd love to see a 200-600.




Jun 02, 2018 at 12:18 PM
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Other than trying 20fps, I always use 10fps, or less with field sports & 100-400mm/1.4TC. For this purpose 24 MPix works for me and I value the A9 AF, electronic shutter and no blackout. I'm hoping to see improved low iso performance with the A9ii. This would allow for better f/11 and fast shutter speeds. Currently using f/11 with the 1.4TC sharpens things a bit, but iso and shutter speed suffer. I'll take a look at the 2.0TC after the next body cycle.

arbitrage wrote:
After shooting at 20FPS, I don’t think we need anymore than that. Even at 20 I’m getting way to many duplicate shots. Also this ain’t a 7D2, the AF is so consistent I don’t need hundreds of “insurance “ shots.





Jun 02, 2018 at 01:10 PM
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p.4 #15 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


indusphoto wrote:
The following image, shot at 400mm and 42MP, fully cropped, has more magnification then 24Mp body at 600mm.



Looks a bit soft to me.



Jul 13, 2018 at 12:56 AM
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p.4 #16 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


Coming a little late to this discussion I tested my new 100-400 with and without the 2xTC on my 7RIII.

I shot distant static objects on a tripod. My results seemed to be pretty consistent: The cropped 400mm was sharper than the 800mm with the TC.

If the reserves of the 42mb made difference or my TC is not quite up to par, I have not figured out yet.

Has anybody really compared the crop vs the 2xTC?



May 10, 2019 at 09:03 AM
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p.4 #17 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


As far as the Sony 2xTC goes, seems proven to be a very good 2X TC. From some other examples listed in this thread, the 2xTC performs well on a crop sensor too.

Reading this thread page 2, I think this is an example of an a7r3 in-camera crop with the GM 100-400 https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1544591/1#14472611

But you raise an interesting point. 2X TC on the GM 100-400 compared to in-camera crop. Would be interesting to see your comparison images.



May 11, 2019 at 05:21 AM
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p.4 #18 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


NIH NSF wrote:
If my math is correct, with the 2.0X, 100-400GM becomes a 800mm f11 macro lens with 0.7x magnification , pretty handy


Yes, it basically doubles the magnification which is 0.35x @400mm. So, I think you are correct with the 0.7x mag. calculation.

Adding a crop mode to the mix will give us life size macro. (100-400 GM + 2x TC + 1.5 crop) and a generous working distance.



Jun 10, 2019 at 01:24 PM
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p.4 #19 · Sony FE 2.0x Teleconverter is wow!


NIH NSF wrote:
If my math is correct, with the 2.0X, 100-400GM becomes a 800mm f11 macro lens with 0.7x magnification , pretty handy

Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, it basically doubles the magnification which is 0.35x @400mm. So, I think you are correct with the 0.7x mag. calculation.

Adding a crop mode to the mix will give us life size macro. (100-400 GM + 2x TC + 1.5 crop) and a generous working distance.


Yes, FE 100-400 + 2x does work quite well for close up magnification while allowing a nice working distance:


https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/32/1716332.jpg
ILCE-7RM3 FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS + 2X Teleconverter lens 800mm f/14.0 1/10s 250 ISO 0.0 EV



Jun 10, 2019 at 01:29 PM
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mitesh wrote:
Yes, FE 100-400 + 2x does work quite well for close up magnification while allowing a nice working distance:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/32/1716332.jpg


Awesome shot! Did you do any cropping as well?

I am really hoping the A7RIV will allow PDAF with the 2x TC.



Jun 10, 2019 at 02:02 PM
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