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p.2 #1 · Dance in Lyon


mholdef wrote:
Makes sense and is easier to make changes on exposure in PS than image blur



This is actually not true using subject select in Photoshop CC.

You can do a very good selection in a couple of clicks. After that, creating nice background blur is quite easy.

Changing exposure in just the buildings in the background without affecting other aspects of the image would take more work.

Again, I would be happy to post up an example if you would like to see.

greg



May 12, 2018 at 04:14 AM
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p.2 #2 · Dance in Lyon


Sure Greg with pleasure be my guest

I found that it is easier to mask a selection in Lightroom than in PS with subject select.

Below is a side by side example in which I’ve dropped the background exposure of 2/3 stop. While not the same as if I had shot with flash (as shadows on the model would be filled in better), it gives an idea of what the results would be. I look forward to your example with the background blurred, which - if done well - I think would look better than the example below.

The main issue I have with subject select is that it only selects the subject - whereas if creating a blur, for it to look right, would need to keep in focus the other areas to the side and below the dancer. I also felt there was a bit of a slight halo effect - not so visible on a smaller image, but definitely when viewing at 50% or bigger

Just curious, but what blur filter would you typically use in this instance ?



gheller wrote:
This is actually not true using subject select in Photoshop CC.

You can do a very good selection in a couple of clicks. After that, creating nice background blur is quite easy.

Changing exposure in just the buildings in the background without affecting other aspects of the image would take more work.

Again, I would be happy to post up an example if you would like to see.

greg


BEFORE
http://www.pbase.com/mholdef/image/167453921.jpg

AFTER Background darkened 2/3 stop
http://www.pbase.com/image/167469392.jpg




May 12, 2018 at 07:50 AM
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p.2 #3 · Dance in Lyon


the back ground should either be as sharp as she is...

or very blurry

which is an artistic decision - e.g. if that was her dance hall I might go with #1



May 12, 2018 at 02:51 PM
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p.2 #4 · Dance in Lyon


Would be much more accurate with the full res file, but here is a 3 minute rendition, creating more pleasing background blur:




May 12, 2018 at 04:55 PM
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p.2 #5 · Dance in Lyon


Thanks - while I agree with the intention and desired effect, and I am less pleased with the outcome - which has a strong halo effect that I had mentioned I also encountered around the dancer.

So while it solves a problem, it creates another !

Just curious but what blur filter did you use ?

gheller wrote:
Would be much more accurate with the full res file, but here is a 3 minute rendition, creating more pleasing background blur:

http://i.cubeupload.com/Po23d2.jpg




May 13, 2018 at 12:26 AM
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p.2 #6 · Dance in Lyon


When using such a low resolution file, you will definitely get that halo effect. I assure you, with the full resolution file, you would still get the pleasing background blur with none of the halo effect.

Even if there is a bit of Halo, it's quite easy to clean it up, especially using layers.

I used the new "subject select" feature in Photoshop CC, and then I believe I just used gaussian blur.

If you'd like to send me a higher-resolution file, I'd be happy to put a little bit of time into that for you to see what potential can be achieved



May 13, 2018 at 01:16 AM
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p.2 #7 · Dance in Lyon


gheller wrote:
When using such a low resolution file, you will definitely get that halo effect. I assure you, with the full resolution file, you would still get the pleasing background blur with none of the halo effect.

Even if there is a bit of Halo, it's quite easy to clean it up, especially using layers.

I used the new "subject select" feature in Photoshop CC, and then I believe I just used gaussian blur.

If you'd like to send me a higher-resolution file, I'd be happy to put a little bit of time into that for you to see what potential can be achieved


I tried myself yesterday with a high resolution file - and it took me a good half hour to get the selection 100% even with subject select (while the first selection does do a decent job, I needed to go back over the edges with the radius tool etc to get it right - not as easy as the video tutorials show online - I imagine though I'm not an expert)

This said, would be happy to send you a higher res file if can PM me your email address.

Thanks and most appreciated for the time and effort !

Mark



May 13, 2018 at 01:36 AM
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p.2 #8 · Dance in Lyon


PM sent

Yes, the more time you spend, the better it will look, but working with layers (copy and paste the subject), you can easily use the clone tool (using content aware) and it should render really nicely.

I will give it a shot and post my results (and send you the high res file if you like)

greg



May 13, 2018 at 02:12 AM
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p.2 #9 · Dance in Lyon


Took a few more steps than I thought to get a non-halo version, but here is what I did:

(1) Subject Select, then refine with lasso to get more precise

(2) Copy and paste subject

(3) Hide copied layer

(4) Delete (using content aware).

(5) Gaussian Blur (used 25%)

(6) Reveal hidden layer

*** I also removed the railing shadow to give it a cleaner look



Edited on May 13, 2018 at 01:41 PM · View previous versions



May 13, 2018 at 05:26 AM
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p.2 #10 · Dance in Lyon


Looks fantastic !!!

Super thanks



gheller wrote:
Took a few more steps than I thought to get a non-halo version, but here is what I did:

(1) Subject Select, then refine with lasso to get more precise

(2) Copy and paste subject

(3) Hide copied layer

(4) Delete (using content aware).

(5) Gaussian Blur (used 25%)

(6) Reveal hidden layer

*** I removed also removed the railing shadow as well to give it a cleaner look

http://i.cubeupload.com/YaHua0.jpg




May 13, 2018 at 05:45 AM
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p.2 #11 · Dance in Lyon


Have a look at timber.no on Instagram - he shoots excellent pictures like this.


May 13, 2018 at 07:18 AM
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p.2 #12 · Dance in Lyon


It hurts just to look at these nimble beauties! Many years since I could do something close to that stretching!
Great capture!
James



May 13, 2018 at 10:54 AM
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