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p.179 #1 · Atlanta base Photogs


Well...after playing with the 135 last night I can say it is not to long...and primes have their place. I love my 70-200...don't get me wrong....I just love the boken and the pop from the L primes.

Can't wait till the 35 gets here.....



May 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM
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Jon - thats because you evidently had room to back up enough to get the shot. Unless you're doing just head and shoulders - you really couldn't have used it at the shoot in your office space.
I agree with you on the rest - but time will tell whether that lens sits in the bag more than it is shot. Sometimes we all buy stuff - just cause we can. Its fun - its cool to have - and, well it may not hold its shine as long as we would like. It is a used lens after all - someone, maybe multiple someones were as much in love with it at first too. Yet it was sold as a used lens. This particular reason was due to a platform change - but that is more rare a reason than usually - which is the photog realizes it just isn't getting used as much as they thought when they first got it.
That's all I'm sayin - i hope you enjoy it for many years - it is a great piece of glass.

Now enough of this Monty Python Dark Knight stuff - post up some pics with this newfangled piece of photographic ecstasy!

Edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:48 AM



May 28, 2008 at 10:35 AM
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p.179 #3 · Atlanta base Photogs


Well I will tell you what JB...you find me the perfect lens for every situation and I will sale my stuff and buy it....but I am sure you and I both know the lens doesn't exist. Either does the perfect set up for everyone. I for one think the 100-400 is a silly waste of space but others love it. That is the beauty of buying into a "system"....there will be something for everyone.

To each his own eh?

Edited by Jon Uhler on May 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM GMT

Edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM



May 28, 2008 at 11:17 AM
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p.179 #4 · Atlanta base Photogs


dang Jon - i'm not picking on you - your point is valid. Its just unnecessary to defend buying good glass. We all shoot portraits - its a portrait lens. All things being equal - its also a great piece of glass. I have said so.

But - reality dictates truth. Truth is - on a crop body like your 1.6 40D, you need a lot of room for full figure shots and in a small room - something less than a studio - a 100mm is too damn big for headshots. That is experience talking not just opinion. I can't imagine trying to squeeze out a headshot in an average size room with a 200mm equivalent fixed focal length lens. I'd rather use the very beautiful 70-200 ƒ2.8 - which many really good pros do - and adjust the amount of zoom to where i can stand and not be squeezed into an opposite corner.

Yes - to each his own - sure - no problem. I'm sure you're going to love a beautiful lens. But please don't take it personally that i make a statement of fact. Its not against you - i consider you a friend.

Now, denigrating a 100-400 simply because you don't have a use for it - is also unnecessary. It too is a beautiful lens - albeit not as nice as any of the primes within its focal range. But again reality dictates truth - in this case, swapping out a prime for each focal length as a distant subject gets closer and then moves away is a recipe for a filthy sensor. Each lens has its place.

The kind of quality Canon offers in both its primes and zooms gives us a fairly equal level of quality that far surpasses the days of old when zooms really were inferior pieces of glass. That line has all but been erased. The buying public couldn't tell the difference if you showed them and pixel peepers are too anal to please under any circumstances.

So all that said - proof is in the puddin' so to speak. Post up! I can't wait to see this 135 IQ!



May 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM
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p.179 #5 · Atlanta base Photogs


JB - Guess I am reading too much into your post....sure seams opinionated but that could be me....

Didn't go to crazy on these...and opted to not post the one of tlong sticking her tounge out at me....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2531005539_93d1b1b641.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2531006477_4b42256b8f.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2531006369_83671f1f8b.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/2531821848_4bd7771479.jpg



May 28, 2008 at 01:19 PM
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p.179 #6 · Atlanta base Photogs


JU, I like the DOF on the 3rd shot, to me, like Goldilocks said: Just right...

Personally I only use my 300 for portrait sessions...






PS, I've got $5.00 for the sticking out the tongue shot...



May 28, 2008 at 01:45 PM
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Jon Uhler wrote:
Well I will tell you what JB...you find me the perfect lens for every situation and I will sale my stuff and buy it....but I am sure you and I both know the lens doesn't exist. Either does the perfect set up for everyone. I for one think the 100-400 is a silly waste of space but others love it. That is the beauty of buying into a "system"....there will be something for everyone.

To each his own eh?

Edited by Jon Uhler on May 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM GMT


I was just reading a review of the 135L and it specifically said how great the lens was for sports action. Don't you shoot a lot of sports action Jon?

I'm kind of interested in getting a good macro lens, I would like to explore macro photography I think.



May 28, 2008 at 02:30 PM
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Smoovie, hope you don't mind me butting in...I know everyone is probably tired of this but I'm carrying the flag for Sigma on macro lenses. We have both a 150 and a 70 and both are really sharp.

That isn't a knock on the 135 - I want one too, but I love the macro capabilities of my 150...

Mark



May 28, 2008 at 02:51 PM
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p.179 #9 · Atlanta base Photogs


I don't think the 135 will be winning any macro contest anytime soon....


May 28, 2008 at 03:54 PM
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p.179 #10 · Atlanta base Photogs


Jbear...I'm pretty sure the Nikon macros don't hunt in lowlight...must be time to switch


May 28, 2008 at 06:16 PM
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So, Tracey, pull the plug on the 24-70 yet? I still can't believe you got the 200 f/2. That is one serious piece of glass.

I can't wait to see what you do with the Nikon gear. Your sports shots have always inspired me. One day I would like to come with you so I can try to learn a bit more about it. I found baseball OK, but kids basketball impossible.

Gang, it's time for us to get together for some B&P. All the bickering is from a lack of beer.



May 28, 2008 at 06:32 PM
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p.179 #12 · Atlanta base Photogs


tracey
a friend of mine has the 200-400 and loves it! But then he loves Nikon - so go figure...



May 28, 2008 at 07:38 PM
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Hi guys. Craig, I decided to go with the 17-55 right now. al of the retailers seemed to think that all of the Nikon lenses are hard to come by now, but they will flood the used market after the Olympics. I am going to use the 17-55 for right now and then see if I want to switch in the fall. If not, I'll still have enough left over for a few small primes BTW...thanks for the compliments...you must have seen the one good picture I took

JBear...I'm sure I would, too...You buyin' ?

Edited on May 28, 2008 at 08:52 PM



May 28, 2008 at 08:20 PM
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I like you Tracey - but not enough to contribute to your habit!

Someone said this to me once... i never did... maybe it would work for you.."get help"


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Jon - those images - i assume are from the 135? They are great! The exif data is hidden - so I can't tell. You really can't beat the IQ. It also looks like you are developing a "look" or a style that is distinctively yours. It started with the goth girl at your office - but I'm seeing it more and more with everything you post. Every photographer should try to develop a style that is all their own - we often just get caught up making everything technically correct without thinking about what puts our own stamp of ourselves into the shot. You're doing that nicely - but i wouldn't want to describe it for you. That's yours to do. Great work... as usual!



May 28, 2008 at 09:00 PM
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p.179 #15 · Atlanta base Photogs


I have built in help---my husband! Hehe...He is supportive, but he is much better at realizing when I am crossing the line than I am

Edited on May 28, 2008 at 09:05 PM



May 28, 2008 at 09:05 PM
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tlong wrote:
Jbear...I'm pretty sure the Nikon macros don't hunt in lowlight...must be time to switch



i agree - Nikon macros don't hunt...

as in "that dog don't hunt"


Nikon doesn't have macros anyway... they sell micros.


If Nikon had the glass that Canon has... i'd switch platforms too.

In fact - if Canon has another screwup like they had with the Mark III - I'd switch in a huff... and if thats too soon - I'd switch in a minute and a huff!


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just saw this on POTN in a sig line - don't know if it is true... but its enough for me to keep my lens selection...

"The 5D is sharper than Nikon's D3, for a fraction of the price.. The 5D wipes the D300, as well as the D3, for tripod use." - Mr. Nikon, Ken Rockwell

Also from this page :http://kenrockwell.com/tech/00-new-today.htm

19 May 2008, Monday (Deb's birthday)

New: Canon Instant Rebates good today through 19 July 2008. "Instant" rebate means an instant discount when you buy it. You don't have to cut up your boxes. You don't have to mail anything in. You don't have to wait 8 weeks and hope it shows up. You get the amount deducted as you buy it.

On rebate now are:

Canon 5D: $300 off. Yay! The 5D is sharper than Nikon's D3, for a fraction of the price. The 5D is the best digital landscape camera there is for under $8,000, and with rebate, it's only $1,900! The 5D wipes the D300, as well as the D3, for tripod use. I bought my own 5D in 2006 when Canon offered a rebate.

Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 L II: $100 off. Likewise, I bought my 16-35mm II earlier this year with a similar rebate. The 16-35mm is far more practical than Nikon's 14-24mm because I can use filters, like grads.

Canon 70-200mm f/4 L IS: $75 off. I got mine the last time they were on rebate, too. As I showed last week, this lens on a 5D, for less than $3,000 for camera and lens, smokes a Nikon D3 and 70-200mm VR for landscapes, and the Nikon combo costs almost $7,000!

Canon 17-40mm L: $50 off. This is among the best buys in photography, since for $650 you get optics equal to what costs over a grand from any other similar lens from Canon or Nikon. I bought mine back before Canon had the 16-35 II since the 17-40 is better than Canon's first 16-35, and bought the 16-35 II because the 16-35 II is wider and a hair better than the 17-40mm.

Canon 100-400mm L: $100 off. This is the one lens to take to Africa. My pal Paul Renner has been using this lens to earn his living for years in Africa.

Canon 100mm Macro: $35 off. This is an amazingly good lens, and also focuses about ten times faster and surer than Nikon's macro lenses, which cost more.

Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS: $125 off. This giant is for guys who don't worry about carrying ten tons of glass around with them. The f/4 IS version, also on rebate, is every bit as good except one stop less fast.

Canon 85mm f/1.2: $125 off. This is the sharpest ultrafast lens I've ever used. Nikon's 85mm f/1.4 AF-D is 15 years behind this lens.

Canon 50mm f/1.2 L: $100 off. Like Canons's 85mm f/1.2, Canon's 50mm f/1.2 is 30 years ahead of Nikon's 58mm f/1.2 Noct (so old it was already discontinued ten years ago) and 20 years ahead of Nikon's 50mm f/1.4 AF-D that I use daily. Nikon is decades behind Canon; none of Nikon's fast lenses can autofocus on Nikon's newest camera, the D60! Nikon owes us big time.

Canon 35mm f/1.4: Again, Canon is way ahead of Nikon. Nikon's newest 35mm f/1.4 is still manual focus and has the same design as it did when it came out back in 1969! Nikon had a great 28mm f/1.4 AF-D back in 1993, but discontinued it in 2005. Nikon is decades behind Canon for fast lenses.

Canon 40D: $200 off, $70 off the 17-55mm f/2.8 and $30 off the 60mm EF-S macro. Also $15 off the 28-90mm III, $30 off the 580 EX II flash and $15 off the 430EX flash.

Unlike the last Nikon rebates, which were the old fashioned hoping-you-don't-really-ever-mail-them-in kind, not only are these Canon rebates up-front, they are also on Canon's very best items.

Specifically, if I had less than $10,000 to spend for a digital camera system for landscape shooting, the system I really did use in Yosemite this past fall was my 5D, the 16-35 II and the 70-200/4 IS. Today, you can have these all for $4,275, much less than a single Nikon D3 body which isn't as sharp anyway. If you aren't as addicted to 16mm as I am, go for the 17-40mm instead, and the complete 5D/17-40/70-200 package only costs $3,575, brand-spanking new. (I don't bother with mid-range-lenses when I'm shooting landscapes.)

The Nikon D3 is a wonderful camera, but it's a professional news, sports, kids and action camera. You're paying two or three times the price of a 5D for speed and professional toughness, not image quality. If your subjects hold still or you use a tripod, the 5D may only be built to amateur standards (get a load of the plastic function dial), but gives images at least as good as the D3 for serious work. If I was taking one or the other backpacking, I wouldn't be hauling around a big D3!

Marc Adamus is the poster child for landscapes with the 5D. Look at his work and enjoy!




Edited by jbear2000 on May 28, 2008 at 10:54 PM GMT

Edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:54 PM



May 28, 2008 at 09:07 PM
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Speaking of shooting in low light, the other evening we were down at the tracks waiting for a train when a young woman came up with her kids and started asking all sorts of questions about cameras. She bought a Rebel and a kit lens and wondered why she wasn't getting good results. Did my best to explain she needed a pro to shoot for her and then everything would be OK.

Almost didn't get turned around and set up in time to get these shots. I literally spun on my heels, took one step closer to the rails, checked the shutter speed and aperture and got off three shots before the Crescent had passed by. Those things fly on the way out of town. I know some people don't like lens flare - but i think i got lucky considering all the distractions. In between the first shot and the second, the three year old started running toward the tracks and the lady had her hands full with the toddler. I had to shoo the kid back and shoot the next two shots all at the same time.
Prior to the last firmware upgrade -I'd have never gotten the last shot!

http://jonberryphoto.smugmug.com/photos/300885992_b7xJN-L.jpg

http://jonberryphoto.smugmug.com/photos/300885980_6VguT-L.jpg

http://jonberryphoto.smugmug.com/photos/300886009_CQmSP-L.jpg


Speaking of shooting trains, drinking beer and eating a pizza... i just heard of a rail yard north of acworth that has a ton of train traffic. Maybe six trains an hour. It wouldn't take long to fill up a card or two. Just a suggestion for a place to shoot - don't know if pizza is legal in that part of the state though - but it is up towards Mark's place!


Edited on May 28, 2008 at 10:54 PM



May 28, 2008 at 09:22 PM
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p.179 #18 · Atlanta base Photogs


JB - Nice train shots. As far as Ken Rockwell...I would read his opinions with a grain of salt. Reviewers really need to get out and really shoot....

Don't forget about the music show that is starting tomorrow in Marietta. You guys should come out and shoot with me....



May 29, 2008 at 08:24 AM
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I forgot all about the music thing - say what where and when - we could all use some shoot time!

oh - and i only posted rockwell since he is a nikon guy and he rates canon consistently ahead of his own platform... you know - just trying to make Tracey feel good about her switch

Edited on May 29, 2008 at 08:41 AM



May 29, 2008 at 08:40 AM
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JU, I missed the details on the music show, and I'm still waiting to start my new job. Hook us up with the details and I'll see if I can make it.


May 29, 2008 at 09:13 AM
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