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Archive 2017Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
p.2 #1Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Already have the f4. It's pretty good, but it's still a flawed lens. 18-21mm are the best in the range on this, my fourth copy. I think astigmatism is my least favorite aberration and it's got a bit for sure. I'm probably asking too much of a zoom, but I just want it to be more like my L21. Probably not a reasonable expectation. Zooms have their place, but I'm on the hunt for a 15mm that behaves similarly to the L21. Would be nice if a Loxia 15 came along at some point . . .
Dec 24, 2017 at 08:41 AM
p.2 #2Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Very good performance of the zoom, nevertheless, I find the contrast and rendering of the Batis better clearly. The zooms needs f8 to get close in the extreme edges in my opinion.
I am considering the 25/2 and 18/2.8, as I want f2 resp. f2.8 and AF at weddings.
The 12-24 is not cheap in Germany either, it is 1800 Euros (2135$).
I am considering the 25/2 and 18/2.8, as I want f2 resp. f2.8 and AF at weddings.
The 12-24 is not cheap in Germany either, it is 1800 Euros (2135$).
Dec 24, 2017 at 09:04 AM
p.2 #3Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just tested the Batis 25/2 vs the 12-24/4 @24mm and here are the results I see at infinity. Both lenses are well centered at this focal length.
My 12-24/4 is surprisingly great at the long range and it took a few copies to get it. The Batis was great at first try.
Same sharpening for both. Best of 3 using MF at center area.
It's interesting that without distortion correction, the Batis 25 is actually a bit wider than the zoom @24mm
Fred, just curious, why did you get the Batis 25 again, since you already have the Loxia 21 and the Sony 14-24?
I just tested the Batis 25/2 vs the 12-24/4 @24mm and here are the results I see at infinity. Both lenses are well centered at this focal length.
My 12-24/4 is surprisingly great at the long range and it took a few copies to get it. The Batis was great at first try.
Same sharpening for both. Best of 3 using MF at center area.
It's interesting that without distortion correction, the Batis 25 is actually a bit wider than the zoom @24mm
Fred, just curious, why did you get the Batis 25 again, since you already have the Loxia 21 and the Sony 14-24?
Dec 24, 2017 at 09:23 AM
p.2 #4Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Anytime one lens, that has been hand picked from multiple copies, is compared against a single sample of another lens, I dont see it as being a fair comparison. Now if you took the same initiative to find a stellar copy of the Batis 25...
Every lens IQ falls under a bell curve. Some curves are just wider than others
I tend to leave the ones with the wide curves alone.
Every lens IQ falls under a bell curve. Some curves are just wider than others
I tend to leave the ones with the wide curves alone.Dec 24, 2017 at 11:11 AM
p.2 #5Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
pdmphoto wrote:
Anytime one lens, that has been hand picked from multiple copies, is compared against a single sample of another lens, I dont see it as being a fair comparison. Now if you took the same initiative to find a stellar copy of the Batis 25...
Every lens IQ falls under a bell curve. Some curves are just wider than others I tend to leave the ones with the wide curves alone.
I only post infinity comparisons when both lenses are perfectly centered and sharp at infinity. If I happen to get a great copy at first try, awesome! Recently I received a Samyang 35/1.4 E-mount and didn't post infinity tests because it was decentered.
I would not have compared them if I didn't think this Batis 25 wasn't a stellar copy.
It is and I'm keeping it btw.
Primes don't have the variability of zooms and from my experience, there is usually no need to go through several copies find a good one... especially a Zeiss.
In the case of the 12-24G, the long end has definitely the most variability. It's true that I went through many copies to find one that was centered and sharp at 21-24mm.
Anytime one lens, that has been hand picked from multiple copies, is compared against a single sample of another lens, I dont see it as being a fair comparison. Now if you took the same initiative to find a stellar copy of the Batis 25...
Every lens IQ falls under a bell curve. Some curves are just wider than others
I tend to leave the ones with the wide curves alone.I only post infinity comparisons when both lenses are perfectly centered and sharp at infinity. If I happen to get a great copy at first try, awesome! Recently I received a Samyang 35/1.4 E-mount and didn't post infinity tests because it was decentered.
I would not have compared them if I didn't think this Batis 25 wasn't a stellar copy.
It is and I'm keeping it btw.Primes don't have the variability of zooms and from my experience, there is usually no need to go through several copies find a good one... especially a Zeiss.
In the case of the 12-24G, the long end has definitely the most variability. It's true that I went through many copies to find one that was centered and sharp at 21-24mm.
Dec 24, 2017 at 11:34 AM
p.2 #6Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Chris_88 wrote:
My 12-24/4 is surprisingly great at the long range and it took a few copies to get it. The Batis was great at first try.
Same sharpening for both. Best of 3 using MF at center area.
It's interesting that without distortion correction, the Batis 25 is actually a bit wider than the zoom @24mmFred, just curious, why did you get the Batis 25 again, since you already have the Loxia 21 and the Sony 14-24?
I mainly use the Loxia 21 and 12-24G for landscapes. I picked up the Batis 25/2 to complement my 55/1.8 as a two-lens set-up with AF for different applications. I find that they have similar strengths and weaknesses. It's my preference instead of carrying a 24-70/2.8 zoom.
Fred Miranda wrote
I just tested the Batis 25/2 vs the 12-24/4 @24mm and here are the results I see at infinity. Both lenses are well centered at this focal length.My 12-24/4 is surprisingly great at the long range and it took a few copies to get it. The Batis was great at first try.
Same sharpening for both. Best of 3 using MF at center area.
It's interesting that without distortion correction, the Batis 25 is actually a bit wider than the zoom @24mm
I mainly use the Loxia 21 and 12-24G for landscapes. I picked up the Batis 25/2 to complement my 55/1.8 as a two-lens set-up with AF for different applications. I find that they have similar strengths and weaknesses. It's my preference instead of carrying a 24-70/2.8 zoom.
Dec 24, 2017 at 11:35 AM
p.2 #7Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Holger wrote:
Very good performance of the zoom, nevertheless, I find the contrast and rendering of the Batis better clearly. The zooms needs f8 to get close in the extreme edges in my opinion.
I am considering the 25/2 and 18/2.8, as I want f2 resp. f2.8 and AF at weddings.
The 12-24 is not cheap in Germany either, it is 1800 Euros (2135$).
I agree and as the comparison shows, the Batis has better contrast, colors and resolution, especially at center and mid-field. However, starting at f/7.1 and smaller, they are very similar except for color rendering.
At f/4, the different is not that big considering it's the weakest FL for this zoom and the prime had a 2-stop advantage.
Very good performance of the zoom, nevertheless, I find the contrast and rendering of the Batis better clearly. The zooms needs f8 to get close in the extreme edges in my opinion.
I am considering the 25/2 and 18/2.8, as I want f2 resp. f2.8 and AF at weddings.
The 12-24 is not cheap in Germany either, it is 1800 Euros (2135$).
I agree and as the comparison shows, the Batis has better contrast, colors and resolution, especially at center and mid-field. However, starting at f/7.1 and smaller, they are very similar except for color rendering.
At f/4, the different is not that big considering it's the weakest FL for this zoom and the prime had a 2-stop advantage.
Dec 24, 2017 at 11:42 AM
p.2 #8Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
tylerdurden801 wrote:
Already have the f4. It's pretty good, but it's still a flawed lens. 18-21mm are the best in the range on this, my fourth copy. I think astigmatism is my least favorite aberration and it's got a bit for sure. I'm probably asking too much of a zoom, but I just want it to be more like my L21. Probably not a reasonable expectation. Zooms have their place, but I'm on the hunt for a 15mm that behaves similarly to the L21. Would be nice if a Loxia 15 came along at some point . . .
If astigmatism is a main negative to you, I would perhaps replace the 16-35/4 ZA with the 16-35/2.8 GM. It's not really an issue with the latter.
Already have the f4. It's pretty good, but it's still a flawed lens. 18-21mm are the best in the range on this, my fourth copy. I think astigmatism is my least favorite aberration and it's got a bit for sure. I'm probably asking too much of a zoom, but I just want it to be more like my L21. Probably not a reasonable expectation. Zooms have their place, but I'm on the hunt for a 15mm that behaves similarly to the L21. Would be nice if a Loxia 15 came along at some point . . .
If astigmatism is a main negative to you, I would perhaps replace the 16-35/4 ZA with the 16-35/2.8 GM. It's not really an issue with the latter.
Dec 24, 2017 at 11:50 AM
p.2 #9Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
Fred I like shooting cityscapes, many times I will use my canon 70-200II in Portrait mode and stitch several shots. If I wanted native sony do you recommend the 70-200, if so which version, or do as you did for mid range 25 & 55. Which 2 primes for the long end .
Also how is that new 24-105 for mid range looking vs your choice of primes.
Thus far this thread has helped me narrow down my choice for the short end.
a nice copy of the 12-24 and the loxia 21. As I have a ZE21 which i will switch out for the loxia.
Still need to lock in the mid and long end
Sony all new for me.
Thx
Also how is that new 24-105 for mid range looking vs your choice of primes.
Thus far this thread has helped me narrow down my choice for the short end.
a nice copy of the 12-24 and the loxia 21. As I have a ZE21 which i will switch out for the loxia.
Still need to lock in the mid and long end
Sony all new for me.
Thx
Dec 26, 2017 at 07:48 PM
p.2 #10Batis 25/2 vs FE 12-24/4 @24mm at infinity
IndyFab wrote:
Fred I like shooting cityscapes, many times I will use my canon 70-200II in Portrait mode and stitch several shots. If I wanted native sony do you recommend the 70-200, if so which version, or do as you did for mid range 25 & 55. Which 2 primes for the long end .
Also how is that new 24-105 for mid range looking vs your choice of primes.
Thus far this thread has helped me narrow down my choice for the short end.
a nice copy of the 12-24 and the loxia 21. As I have a ZE21 which i will...Show more →
I would recommend the FE 85/1.8 (or Batis 85/1.8) and the Batis 135/2.8 APO as a 2-lens combo with AF for the long range. Personally, I own the 85/1.4 GM and Batis 135/2.8 APO instead as they work better for my needs. (For landscapes, I usually replace the GM with the Zeiss 85/4 ZM for its compactness)
If you don't mind MF, the Voigtlander 65/2 APO Macro is imo one of the best lenses for the Sony E-mount currently.
Fred I like shooting cityscapes, many times I will use my canon 70-200II in Portrait mode and stitch several shots. If I wanted native sony do you recommend the 70-200, if so which version, or do as you did for mid range 25 & 55. Which 2 primes for the long end .
Also how is that new 24-105 for mid range looking vs your choice of primes.
Thus far this thread has helped me narrow down my choice for the short end.
a nice copy of the 12-24 and the loxia 21. As I have a ZE21 which i will...Show more →
I would recommend the FE 85/1.8 (or Batis 85/1.8) and the Batis 135/2.8 APO as a 2-lens combo with AF for the long range. Personally, I own the 85/1.4 GM and Batis 135/2.8 APO instead as they work better for my needs. (For landscapes, I usually replace the GM with the Zeiss 85/4 ZM for its compactness)
If you don't mind MF, the Voigtlander 65/2 APO Macro is imo one of the best lenses for the Sony E-mount currently.
Dec 26, 2017 at 09:20 PM