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p.5 #1 · Sensor Brush scam


As far as I know, electric discharge always takes the path of least resistance and requires at least the same capacity of the opposite polarity to discharge.

You aren't shuffling across a wool carpet in slick bottom leather slippers in plush polyester pants and sweater in 10% humidity, then gently kissing your girlfriend on the ear. That will definitely get you some damage.

You are blowing dry air on a little brush, thereby rubbing the synthetic brush fibers together generating a miniscule electrostatic charge, just great enough to attract/lift equally miniscule particles with no force or zap. At the same time, don't assume you are equally attracting electrostatically inert mineral dust because it may not hop on the brush like the biological/synthetic bunny rabbits.

So what all can we get inside the sensor/mirror chamber and how does it get there in normal operation?

- dust: mineral, synthetic and biological
- air pollutants: esters from plastics, automotive and industrial gases, and water soluable biological particles

Every time you open the chamber to change a lens, blow it out or whatever, there is an exchange of air and temperature. When the cavity is closed, every actuation of the shutter flaps the mirror like a sultan's slave wafted fan, stirring up whatever might be in the in there, and like any air current will create swirls at points where dust finds a hold on the mirror or sensor. Viola, dust bunnies.

If you take a flashlight and shine it on your scanner glass, you will see deposits on the underside. How does it get there in a semi-sealed box? Condensation of gases given off by plastics and air pollution, plus electrostatic charge. The same thing will happen in the camera chamber. It is just so gradual that over a long period of time you don't notice the fogging until it is pretty thick. When you will dramatically notice it is after bringing your camera out of the cold into a warm humid room and take off the lens for even a brief exchange or putting on the body cap. Then moisture may condense on mirror and sensor forming droplets that collect dust and pollutants on the surfaces forming a kind of mud, that after drying are difficult to remove. After your next shoot you are screaming where did all those spots come from? Did it yourself.

Let's dispense with the mirror right away. You aren't pixel-peeping at 200% on a 2048x1536 30" display at a macro-micro world TTL, so you won't see much of what's on it anyway. Plus every time it flaps, it's self-cleaning to the detriment of the sensor, so over the mid-term there's not much there to disturb you. Touching it equals replacing it, so don't touch it.

The sensor is a different world. Four to sixteen million little devils grabbing and eating anything that comes their way, then spitting it back at you. Dust and mud included.

So how hard is the AA plate? Don't know.

What will scratch it? Any mineral dust or abrasive particle, harder than the AA glass, on the glass or on a cleaning utensile.

What will get it off without scratching? A non-abrasive material moistened with a micro-filtered liquid capable of dissolving dried condensate and suspending particles, when gently applied, leaving the AA glass squeeky clean with no streaks or residue. High-tech stuff.

I've seen posts on other forums where Chamber Clean has practically worked wonders for photographers who have many lens changes on shoots, particularly in dusty environments. Part and parcel to a clean sensor and mirror. It only makes sense.

The Visible dust internet domain is registered in the name of the CEO of a bio-tech company specializing in bio-chips, whatever they are. In any case, this is a very high tech area which involves squeeky clean bio and pollutant free processes. If he and/or his colleagues are photo nuts like us, in the laboratory or privately, it's not much of a jump to sensor cleaning. My hit is that these guys are high tech/bio tech geeks that started a casual weekend business that absolutely swamped them after RG and MR gave them the nod. Internet math says 50 can become 50,000 in a flash. I think if anybody in Edmonton were to be so generous as to check them out, that is what he will find. They need help, not stoning. (I hope.)

Edited by John_T. on Nov 22, 2004 at 01:44 PM GMT



Nov 22, 2004 at 07:35 AM
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I received my Pro Kit last week. Cleaned my D60 (first time in 2 years) and 1D MkII on Saterday. Both are now completely clean. What do you want more....?

Oh yes, have a look here : http://www.visibledust.ca/



Nov 22, 2004 at 07:40 AM
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p.5 #3 · Sensor Brush scam


http://www.visibledust.ca/ Read the scrolling message on the bottom of the home page.

Terrific!!

Thanks Hans!



Nov 22, 2004 at 07:57 AM
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Maybe it's a 'scam,' but RG gave it nice marks so I took the plunge. Short version: It works. If someone think it's a stupid waste of money, that's okay by me.

I think lots of things are a stupid waste of money. SUVs, junk food, name-brand clothing, top 40 records. I was thinking that I should post on associated web forums about my thoughts on these topics; obviously this will make me smart, and users of these other products stupid. Boy, will I sleep good tonight.

Edited by DC.Paul on Nov 22, 2004 at 10:29 AM GMT



Nov 22, 2004 at 08:42 AM
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p.5 #5 · Sensor Brush scam


It's about time someone exposed The Pringles Scam. You go, Paul!


Nov 22, 2004 at 08:59 AM
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p.5 #6 · Sensor Brush scam


big scams in the history of retail marketing
the hummer H2- $52000 but people buy them




Nov 22, 2004 at 09:49 AM
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p.5 #7 · Sensor Brush scam


Sorry for beeing off topicm but I read a couple of references for the Copperfiled method of sensor cleaning here, but i was unable to find anything about it in the forum and in google. Could somebody give me a pointer to this method ?

Thanks,



Nov 22, 2004 at 10:38 AM
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p.5 #8 · Sensor Brush scam


Settle down for loonng winded reads.

http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/ccd_cleaning



Nov 22, 2004 at 10:46 AM
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p.5 #9 · Sensor Brush scam


Ahh, Copperhill not Copperfield ! Thanks!


Nov 22, 2004 at 10:53 AM
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p.5 #10 · Sensor Brush scam


When I last saw their site, I could've sworn the price was 60-70 bucks for the kit I wanted.

When I saw it again, it jumped up to 90. Egads!



Nov 22, 2004 at 11:49 AM
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p.5 #11 · Sensor Brush scam


they changed the kit contents around i believe


Nov 22, 2004 at 01:02 PM
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They changed the kit contents, and substituted a new SB brush for two smaller brushes in the 1.6 economy kit. I should have ordered earlier I just now tried to put in an order, and upon entering my credit card info and hitting submit, the page returned a MySQL error I did get a confirmation email though so maybe it went through.

All of the debunkers aside, this whole thing makes sense to me, and it seems to my limited mind less risky than the Copperhill method, which I currently use. Once I receive the brush I can reserve the Copperhill method for more stubborn spots. I'll still always start with just using a bulb blower with the camera facing down though.

= Ed =



Nov 22, 2004 at 01:54 PM
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Hmm, they're in my hometown so maybe I should go check them out before spending over C$100 to buy a couple pair of brushes.


Nov 22, 2004 at 02:33 PM
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p.5 #14 · Sensor Brush scam


Good idea Greg. Post some photos.


Nov 22, 2004 at 02:41 PM
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p.5 #15 · Sensor Brush scam


I'll try my best to do that.


Nov 22, 2004 at 02:48 PM
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p.5 #16 · Sensor Brush scam


Jeff wrote:
I've long suspected this from the beginning (not that I now take it as fact). Think about it, how in the world would some small-time company come up with a revolutionary 'new' brush technology, have the money to create, produce, and sell it, and then only market it to this miniscule digital photo market? It borders on ludicrous, and their 1990's-vintage website is further suspect. I have no idea what is the truth, but I'd be willing to bet a dime to a donut that it's some sort of re-packaged (labelled), readily available high-quality art brush. I'd wanted to go
...Show more

I have compared their web site photos to brushes in art supply stores and they look very close. The art supply brushes typically have painted wooden handles, same shape, while the VD (do they trade under those initials?) handles are unpainted. It's the metal collars that are most revealing, especially the one shaped like a big fan–why would anyone want a sensor brush shaped like that? But the thing that's most convincing is that all of the shapes, sizes and collar shapes are available in the same rack and even the bristles look close, although I think they'd need to be compared under a microscope to draw absolute conclusions. Also, the fact that they won't just sell you the one size you really need doesn't pass the sniff test.



Nov 22, 2004 at 05:53 PM
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Man, this thread is over 8 pages...

If it smells fishy with the mixed reviews here, there must be a dead fish somewhere. Caveat Emptor as always.

I'm sticking with Giottos blower and the Copperhill method.



Nov 22, 2004 at 05:59 PM
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p.5 #18 · Sensor Brush scam


as you wish but from the standpoint of potential for damage and/or field cleaning the copperhill method leaves something to be desired. it is labor intensive, tool intensive (mostly cobbed together), expensive, and has a much higher potential for contact with the wrong thing at the wrong time. in my work i have found that the simplest is generally the least apt to cause a problem. as the video from canon KISS works the best. that is Keep It Simple Stu***. that is a general statement and not meant to reflect on anyone personally


Nov 22, 2004 at 06:11 PM
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p.5 #19 · Sensor Brush scam


It works !!

Pierre



Nov 22, 2004 at 08:57 PM
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p.5 #20 · Sensor Brush scam


GoldenBoy wrote:
If it smells fishy with the mixed reviews here, there must be a dead fish somewhere. Caveat Emptor as always.


Huh? Say what? If you re-read the thread from top to bottom, you'll see that very person who has purchased the Sensor Brush say that they're happy with their purchase, and that the brushes works amazingly well.

The only people who have spoken against the brush are people who have not tried them.

So, what's this about mixed reviews? Heck, if the Sensor Brush is good enough for Rob Galbraith, Michael Reichmann and Moose Perterson, then it's good enough for me!

Kidding aside, I have a set of brushes and the Sensor Clean product. Yes, it seems very expensive for what it is. However, the brushes and the sensor clean are very, very easy to use, it takes 30 seconds to clean your sensor, and the results are outstanding. This is a fantastic product that works well. Are the sensor brushes similar to some art brushes out there? Possibly, maybe, probably. Who knows, but I'm not risking a scratch on my sensor to find out. I'll stick with my Sensor Brush, thank you!

Rob



Nov 22, 2004 at 09:03 PM
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