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JohnDizzo15 wrote:
@xwing15@ - awesome shots! Looks great at those apertures. Glad to hear the rig is behaving better with the update to the TAP. I didn’t realize an update was even out until about 11pm last night. Lol. Installed but waiting to get some actual shooting done today at the amusement park and hotel.



thanks John

Interlaken, switzerland at f5.6







Jan 06, 2018 at 04:49 PM
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p.9 #2 · p.9 #2 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Even at web resolutions, the outer edges of this lens are terribly soft even stopped down. This lens is clearly not the best for landscapes but that's probably not anyone's expectations.


Jan 06, 2018 at 06:05 PM
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p.9 #3 · p.9 #3 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


I found some time to load the v6 TAP firmware onto my adapter and in some quick testing, it appears the AF is much improved as others have said... more responsive and AF-C seems usable. In AF-C there's no longer any blatant pumping but it does constantly seem to be adjusting focus, perhaps because it's compensating for camera movement with such a shallow DoF. I'm not sure... I need to try it on a tripod I guess. At least it seems somewhat usable in AF-C mode now.

A couple things I've noticed that I wouldn't mind some verification from others on...

I'm not sure if this was the case before the v6 TAP update but the A7RIII now only lets me move the focus point (expandable spot) within the confines of the PDAF area of the sensor. With other native lenses, I can move the AF point anywhere but with the TAP, it's confined to the PDAF area. Is this new or was it always the case?

In terms of AF performance, in a well lit room large expandable point will get focus nearly anywhere in the PDAF area. As you make the spot smaller or lower the light, the left and right edges of the PDAF area become unusable, but strangely, the top and bottom areas remain very usable. My conclusion from this is that shooting people will need to be done primarily in landscape orientation. Using portrait orientation will mean your subjects head is mid-frame and a decent composition will likely require serious cropping off the top.

If you set the lens aperture to just a bit before the center point between f/1.1 and f/1.4 you will get a lot more contrast/sharpness on center than at f/1.1 but the ISO (exposure) is the same as f/1.1 and the DoF is still insanely shallow with great bokeh. This seems to be the best compromise for character, bokeh and some decent sharpness on center. I'm guessing this is effectively an aperture of about f/1.2 with a T-stop of f/1.4 as it requires one stop less ISO than my FE 55 at f/2. So I think my go to aperture setting on this lens will be just wide of the half way point between f/1.1 and f/1.4.

The other thing I've noticed is that the TAP adapter allows you to get better than the specified 70cm MFD... I can get focus confirmation to about 50cm by setting the focus dial on the lens to the minimum setting and using the TAP to AF. In fact, as you've all probably noticed, to get the full range of focus with this lens, it's essential to manually pre-focus for less than 1m, about 2m and infinity depending on actual subject distance.

Is all this consistent with your findings... or what are you seeing?



Jan 06, 2018 at 10:28 PM
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This lens does not work on APS-C or m4/3 cameras. The back of it protrudes very far and fouls against the interior of those cameras preventing it from being able to utilize the full focus range. I think the furthest away I could focus was 8ft...
Only for use on full frame bodies.



Jan 06, 2018 at 11:58 PM
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p.9 #5 · p.9 #5 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Anyone interested in some more photos I've taken with this lens can see them here in this Flickr Album taken aboard our recent cruise. The first two wide angle shots are from the Batis, the rest are the 50 f/1.1 at about f/1.2.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chris-mccormack/albums/72157691968258875/with/27772681369/



Jan 07, 2018 at 02:19 AM
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virtualrain wrote:
Even at web resolutions, the outer edges of this lens are terribly soft even stopped down. This lens is clearly not the best for landscapes but that's probably not anyone's expectations.


correct. my copy. as previously mentioned. never sharp edges. I do not have any problems with that. see it as a characteristic of this lens. my closet is full of lentils. the sharp on the edge can.


By the way, nice pictures on flickr



Jan 07, 2018 at 02:44 AM
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xwing15 wrote:
correct. my copy. as previously mentioned. never sharp edges. I do not have any problems with that. see it as a characteristic of this lens. my closet is full of lentils. the sharp on the edge can.


By the way, nice pictures on flickr


Thanks... and I agree, the soft edges make for more dreamy photos.



Jan 07, 2018 at 03:03 AM
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p.9 #8 · p.9 #8 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


So I have a two prong reaction when shooting with the 7Artisans 50mm. At first I'm like WTH did I just shoot with this dreamy arse lens when I could of used something like my Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art. Then a week later I look at the photos and I'm like, wow this looks really different from anything else I shot, I like it! Lol

Here are a couple new ones with the 7Artisans 50mm 1.1 + Sony A7 II + TAP:


Photo Shoot with Tommie Bee / December 29, 2017 by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr


Photo Shoot with Tommie Bee / December 29, 2017 by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr



Jan 07, 2018 at 02:13 PM
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p.9 #9 · p.9 #9 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Cross posted with the FE Image thread. Here's a few shot at f/1.1-1.2 on the A7r3 + TAP






















Jan 07, 2018 at 06:42 PM
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p.9 #10 · p.9 #10 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


There's too much temptation in this thread.

Must.
Resist...



Jan 07, 2018 at 10:25 PM
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p.9 #11 · p.9 #11 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


xwing15 wrote:
thanks John

Interlaken, switzerland at f5.6

Looks awesome! Hope to see more from your neck of the woods.
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virtualrain wrote:
I found some time to load the v6 TAP firmware onto my adapter and in some quick testing, it appears the AF is much improved as others have said... more responsive and AF-C seems usable. In AF-C there's no longer any blatant pumping but it does constantly seem to be adjusting focus, perhaps because it's compensating for camera movement with such a shallow DoF. I'm not sure... I need to try it on a tripod I guess. At least it seems somewhat usable in AF-C mode now.

A couple things I've noticed that I wouldn't mind some verification from others on...

I'm
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According to 7A themselves, the lens is an actual 1.1. On my copy, I actually get extra light as I move from 1.4 to 1.1. I can't remember what the ISO difference was but I compared the 7A to the FE 50/1.8 for exposure earlier in the thread. I thought it would be a good comparison since both lenses supposedly have a T stop equivalent to what the F is.

Otherwise, my findings have been pretty similar to yours. Since the update though, I have been able to get pretty good AF accuracy even in ultra low light (around the central area of course).
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Desmolicious wrote:
This lens does not work on APS-C or m4/3 cameras. The back of it protrudes very far and fouls against the interior of those cameras preventing it from being able to utilize the full focus range. I think the furthest away I could focus was 8ft...
Only for use on full frame bodies.

Thanks! Definitely good info for those considering use with an APSC body.
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xwing15 wrote:
correct. my copy. as previously mentioned. never sharp edges. I do not have any problems with that. see it as a characteristic of this lens. my closet is full of lentils. the sharp on the edge can.


By the way, nice pictures on flickr

+1 on that. Sharp lenses that are much closer to optical perfection I have. It's interesting lenses that I love though.
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Jonathan F wrote:
So I have a two prong reaction when shooting with the 7Artisans 50mm. At first I'm like WTH did I just shoot with this dreamy arse lens when I could of used something like my Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art. Then a week later I look at the photos and I'm like, wow this looks really different from anything else I shot, I like it! Lol

Here are a couple new ones with the 7Artisans 50mm 1.1 + Sony A7 II + TAP:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4596/27703259359_49d79cae28_b.jpg
Photo Shoot with Tommie Bee / December 29, 2017 by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4634/25610527178_a84091f03d_b.jpg
Photo Shoot with Tommie Bee by Jonathan Friolo, on Flickr
...Show more
Yup. lol. Great shots btw.
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rji2goleez wrote:
Cross posted with the FE Image thread. Here's a few shot at f/1.1-1.2 on the A7r3 + TAP

Nice!

It's very interesting to be looking at the various images from everyone in the thread as they all share distinct character traits. I regularly share shots with my photo buddies outside of the interwebs and without fail, they ask if it was the 7A every time I send them a shot from it.
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bluloo wrote:
There's too much temptation in this thread.

Must.
Resist...

The 7A, IMO, costs next to nothing (for what it is) and is worth a try if for nothing else. Just do it!



Jan 08, 2018 at 11:39 AM
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p.9 #12 · p.9 #12 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Some random stuff from the weekend. Shot most of the day at the amusement park with my Fuji rig since I had the wide angle on it.

With regard to the V6.0 update to the TAP, the central area is still pretty much the same for usable AF area. However, it does appear to be much more confident (less pumping) and much more accurate even in very low light.

I was able to get very good AF hits in conditions that were ISO 8000-20000 at 1.1 and 1/60th-1/125th. I'd say for AF'ing of an ultra fast lens that was never meant to be AF'd, it did a damn fine job.

A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr



Jan 08, 2018 at 04:28 PM
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p.9 #13 · p.9 #13 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Side note - wanted to illustrate the difference when changing perspectives a bit and moving light sources out of flaring range.
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr



Jan 08, 2018 at 07:12 PM
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Adding a few more.
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP by John Dizzo, on Flickr
A9 + 7Artisans + TAP v6.0 by John Dizzo, on Flickr



Jan 10, 2018 at 04:25 PM
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A couple of low light supermarket shots with the 7A 50/1.1 on the A7RIII. Bizarre OOF rendering of lights in second shot. I think that both shots were at f/1.4.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4716/27843521319_348169cdfa_b.jpg


https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4609/39620742901_2a4104ba33_b.jpg



Jan 10, 2018 at 05:33 PM
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p.9 #16 · p.9 #16 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Just updated the A9 to FW 2.0. While the performance of the TAP appears to have improved with the update to the TAP, the A9 update seems to have had no additional affect.

With the TAP and 7A combo, I am still not able achieve focus outside of the central area of the frame. The pumping/hunting in both AF-C and AF-S seem largely improved though since the update to the TAP so I have no complaints. Was just hoping for a miracle in that the A9 update would yield further progression in overall performance of the rig.



Jan 11, 2018 at 11:47 AM
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p.9 #17 · p.9 #17 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


JohnDizzo15 wrote:
Just updated the A9 to FW 2.0. While the performance of the TAP appears to have improved with the update to the TAP, the A9 update seems to have had no additional affect.

With the TAP and 7A combo, I am still not able achieve focus outside of the central area of the frame. The pumping/hunting in both AF-C and AF-S seem largely improved though since the update to the TAP so I have no complaints. Was just hoping for a miracle in that the A9 update would yield further progression in overall performance of the rig.


I wonder how much of this off-center focus performance has to do with this particular lens, After spending some time with this, I've noticed the edges get soft fast... If you shoot a chart, a book case or some other flat field test that fills the frame, you'll see what I mean. So I'm not sure there's any possible way for the lens to achieve positive focus confirmation outside the center - there are just no sharp edges to be found .



Jan 11, 2018 at 02:28 PM
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virtualrain wrote:
I wonder how much of this off-center focus performance has to do with this particular lens, After spending some time with this, I've noticed the edges get soft fast... If you shoot a chart, a book case or some other flat field test that fills the frame, you'll see what I mean. So I'm not sure there's any possible way for the lens to achieve positive focus confirmation outside the center - there are just no sharp edges to be found .


It definitely has a lot to do with this particular lens as I have other 50s that I stack with an M42 mount which are slower (but very sharp to the edges) that are able to achieve focus outside of the central area just fine (albeit slightly slower and less reliably).

I will say though, that I don't know that it has to do with nothing being sharp enough at the edges on the 7A since I have many shots near wide open with subjects away from center where they are perfectly sharp. I am not enough of an expert behind the tech to be able to figure out what other reasons there might be.



Jan 11, 2018 at 04:09 PM
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I went out with the 7Artisans and TAP today to the local market for lunch and snapped some photos - not really because I would normally shoot these things, but I want to get a better feel for the lens and the bokeh.

I shot at my fav aperture on this lens which is between the f/1.1 and f/1.4 markings (I call it f/1.2). At this setting I get noticeably more sharpness and contrast at center without impacting the bokeh. And ISO readings are often the same as wide open at 1/60 shutter.

I love the look... and the bokeh. The color and contrast is remarkably good at f/1.2.

I used AF with the TAP on AF-S and medium flexible spot that I moved around within the center of the rule of thirds grid. I had no trouble with acquiring focus on any of these. Admittedly the DoF is too shallow for some photos to be considered decent shots, but as I say, this was more an experiment than a photo assignment.

The full album is here... https://www.flickr.com/photos/chris-mccormack/sets/72157692135136665/

Here are a few of the shots to show off the rendering if you don't want to bother clicking through...


A7R04186.jpg by Chris McCormack, on Flickr


A7R04178.jpg by Chris McCormack, on Flickr


A7R04203.jpg by Chris McCormack, on Flickr

My post processing for photos from this lens currently includes minor:
- Shadows and highlights
- Add vignetting if I pull the shadows enough to impact the original lens vignette
- A touch of contrast and saturation
- Brush-in a bit of clarity, structure, and sharpness on the in-focus subject area.



Jan 11, 2018 at 09:50 PM
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p.9 #20 · p.9 #20 · 7Artisans 50mm f/1.1 in Leica M Mount


Dammit - I am going to have to get the TAP - I got the lens a few days ago, opportunity has been limited and weather mostly grey here. MF is OK handheld but like my 1.2 lenses it can be a challenge close up. I think using the TAP will get the best out of it. The lens is a neat little package and I love the size.


Jan 12, 2018 at 10:24 AM
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