p.71 #1 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
GabrielPhoto wrote:
Gap-fill? "not much reason to upgrade"? I dont even see a point in trying to argue with you about it. Not a camera for you and that is fine but for others like me, it offers a LOT over the R2 and that was my all time favorite camera. Although the way you attack it with so little real tests out there, is very odd...
Yeah, as a landscape shooter I find quite a bit compelling to upgrade:
- Bigger battery - fewer changes
- Dual card slots - more space or backup security
- Improved IBIS - most of my landscapes are NOT on a tripod, but they are in low light
- 14 bit electronic shutter - no shutter shock!
- Faster response all around
- Better EVF
Never used an app, so I don't care that they are gone.
p.71 #3 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
GabrielPhoto wrote:
Gap-fill? "not much reason to upgrade"? I dont even see a point in trying to argue with you about it. Not a camera for you and that is fine but for others like me, it offers a LOT over the R2 and that was my all time favorite camera. Although the way you attack it with so little real tests out there, is very odd...
Observation since the a7rIII was announced: A lot of these landscape guys think that cameras live and die by what they want
p.71 #5 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
jhinkey wrote:
Yeah, as a landscape shooter I find quite a bit compelling to upgrade:
- Bigger battery - fewer changes
- Dual card slots - more space or backup security
- Improved IBIS - most of my landscapes are NOT on a tripod, but they are in low light
- 14 bit electronic shutter - no shutter shock!
- Faster response all around
- Better EVF
Never used an app, so I don't care that they are gone.
That's an interesting list, it's in the details.
Only one of those would possibly improve the landscape images I make, and that is 14 bits electronic shutter. That is actually a good one. The others affect convenience, security, utility, productivity, experience.
Many of the improvements are thin but broad, which is why many landscapers don't see a reason to upgrade. An upgrade is simply not going to make a difference in their photographs. I don't think that's anything to get worked up for. For others, the list of small upgrades is worthwhile. Either choice is fine, to upgrade or not to upgrade, and sharing the arguments for either should not be seen as attacking or defending the camera.
And yes, of course landscapers and such have a right to 'own' the A7r concept. There is also the A9, A7 and A7s.
p.71 #6 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
I never said Nikon is better.
FPS may not mean anything without solid tracking abilities, which a9 and 850D have.
Personally, I don’t like Nikon, (have a grudge against them that’s another story) but i am ok with 4-5-6-8-10 whatever FPS this type of camera offers. This is my first Sony and quite mature product now so i am going to buy it, but if i had the a7R2 and was shooting landscape, would have been difficult to talk me through, perhaps even then i would have bought it.
Its good to see the progress 😊 but i still maintain that a7R2 should have been the camera we are talking about. I also think that speed+high resolution niche is occupied by Nikon at the moment.
I have not used either of them and formed my view basis Internet so i could be wrong.
virtualrain wrote:
It’s progress. Good solid progress. It wasn’t that long ago that flagship DSLRs with only 10 stops of DR and only 12Mpix were lucky to shoot at 10 FPS. Now we have that speed at 42Mpix with 15 stops of DR. You think the Nikon is better? I think you’re not fully appreciating the merits of mirrorless, but that’s up to you. By any measure this is a killer camera and undisputably the best all-around mirrorless camera ever made and therefore, in my not so humble opinion, the best all-around camera body. Period.
p.71 #7 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
pdmphoto wrote:
Coming from an A7RII owner, the A7RIII seems like a gap-fill measure to cover the holiday spending spree and counter the excellent Nikon D850. As a landscape shooter, there is not much reason to upgrade. Instead, they
took away the PlayMemories apps and didn't build anything similar into the camera. Worse, their headlines of better dynamic range and IQ seem to be mostly marketing ploys. The next upgrade (A7RIV/A9R or whatever) will be what this one should have been.
Maybe if you only shoot landscape but I do some event and quite a lot of documentary work where a lot of the upgrades will really help. I will keep my 2nd A7rII partly because of the playmemories app and because it is still a fantastic camera and when out shooting landscape I can have 2 cameras with virtually the same output and avoid lens changing. The A7rIII is looking to be a top all-rounder
p.71 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
nekrosoft13 wrote:
all the criticism is just pointless nitpicking...
Yeah, the 'cons' list is odd. 'Cons' Usually menas reasons to look at other alternatives. Like:
"•Cannot switch to video mode while buffer is clearing". Ok, So we cannot do this. Maybe we should look at a different camera?
While, we're at it, they don't mention the obvious (but small) cons:
Lower resolution than competition A
Higher base ISO and lower FWC than competition B
Yes, I know that competition A and B has other drawbacks, but the small but obvious drawbacks are often listed there.
p.71 #9 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
chrismscotland wrote:
Well not sure if there's anyone in the UK on here but seems to be stock coming fairly quickly.
Mine's due for delivery in the next hour or two (fortunately WEX dispatched it via ParcelForce not Yodel or MyHermes so I have confidence it will actually be delivered to the right place within the specified timeframe!)
p.71 #10 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
nandadevieast wrote:
I never said Nikon is better.
FPS may not mean anything without solid tracking abilities, which a9 and 850D have.
Personally, I don’t like Nikon, (have a grudge against them that’s another story) but i am ok with 4-5-6-8-10 whatever FPS this type of camera offers. This is my first Sony and quite mature product now so i am going to buy it, but if i had the a7R2 and was shooting landscape, would have been difficult to talk me through, perhaps even then i would have bought it.
Its good to see the progress 😊 but i still maintain that a7R2 should have been the camera we are talking about. I also think that speed+high resolution niche is occupied by Nikon at the moment.
I have not used either of them and formed my view basis Internet so i could be wrong.
I find your statements confusing but it could be just me. In your previous post and again in this one, you seem to be saying that the Nikon is the better high-speed high-Mpix camera. The D850 has 46 MPix vs the Sony’s 42 and it does 9fps vs Sony’s 10fps. So both the D850 and A7RIII are pretty much the same. Then if you look at flagship bodies, the A9 currently stands alone at 20fps black-out free with 24Mpix (No Nikon comes close). How are you coming to the conclusion that Nikon dominates in speed+resolution?
p.71 #11 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
alundeb wrote:
That's an interesting list, it's in the details.
Only one of those would possibly improve the landscape images I make, and that is 14 bits electronic shutter. That is actually a good one. The others affect convenience, security, utility, productivity, experience.
Many of the improvements are thin but broad, which is why many landscapers don't see a reason to upgrade. An upgrade is simply not going to make a difference in their photographs. I don't think that's anything to get worked up for. For others, the list of small upgrades is worthwhile. Either choice is fine, to upgrade or not to upgrade, and sharing the arguments for either should not be seen as attacking or defending the camera.
And yes, of course landscapers and such have a right to 'own' the A7r concept. There is also the A9, A7 and A7s. ...Show more →
I am a pure landscaper and thought long and hard about the A7R III. It's on sale locally in Australia now - I had a good play with one today and the store had seven units in stock.
For me, the main benefits are:
- 14 bit E-Shutter
- Dual card
- Battery (double edged sword though as I am also then carrying around two types of battery, as I use an R2 as well)
- USB-C (nice to have, far from essential)
- EVF improvements
I was in the market for a second body for an upcoming trip. The R3 looked perfect aside from price. Some crazy deals on brand new A7R II's popped up here today - the converted equivalent of $1800 USD for an A7RII, whilst the A7R III is going for the converted equivalent of $3326 USD. Ultimately I looked at the above list, eliminated USB-C given it's far from essential and decided that for the ~$1500 USD difference I really wasn't getting the value for it - it worked out to be almost $400US per feature I cared about to upgrade to the 3!
So I bought a second A7R II for a screaming good price and don't regret it (yet). I'd have loved an R3 but given they are very close to double the price locally (especially considering I'd have to outlay for 1-2 higher cost spare batteries) it ended up being an easy decision.
p.71 #12 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Aztatlan wrote:
I am a pure landscaper and thought long and hard about the A7R III. It's on sale locally in Australia now - I had a good play with one today and the store had seven units in stock.
For me, the main benefits are:
- 14 bit E-Shutter
- Dual card
- Battery (double edged sword though as I am also then carrying around two types of battery, as I use an R2 as well)
- USB-C (nice to have, far from essential)
- EVF improvements
I was in the market for a second body for an upcoming trip. The R3 looked perfect aside from price. Some crazy deals on brand new A7R II's popped up here today - the converted equivalent of $1800 USD for an A7RII, whilst the A7R III is going for the converted equivalent of $3326 USD. Ultimately I looked at the above list, eliminated USB-C given it's far from essential and decided that for the ~$1500 USD difference I really wasn't getting the value for it - it worked out to be almost $400US per feature I cared about to upgrade to the 3!
So I bought a second A7R II for a screaming good price and don't regret it (yet). I'd have loved an R3 but given they are very close to double the price locally (especially considering I'd have to outlay for 1-2 higher cost spare batteries) it ended up being an easy decision. ...Show more →
There’s no doubt the A7RII is still a killer camera. The A7RIII is more of a refinement on an already great product. It makes me wonder if Sony’s product strategy might shift to a tick-tock strategy of updates where one cycle is defined primarily by a new sensor and the next cycle is defined by improvements in performance and ergonomics with the sensor unchanged. It’s a common strategy in tech. It allows more frequent product updates while keeping R&D cycles for the key architectural bits on a reasonable cycle. Buyers can purchase with every cycle, every other cycle, and you get more customers at lower price points with bargains on the last cycles product that’s still very relevant at the core. Who knows. All we can say is that choice is great and the more shooters Sony attracts or keeps the better for all of us.
p.71 #13 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
I'm so on the fence about upgrading. On the one hand, I don't think the A7rIII improvements will make much if any difference in how many images I take or the general file quality that results. Might result in a few more keepers in terms of low light / no tripod though, and if someone credible stated that was absolutely the case, that alone would be enough for me to click the BUY button.
Otherwise, it's more a case of an appreciation of the sum of the improvements, and also the option to own and use the latest & greatest.
So I guess it's more a case of when I pull the trigger, rather than will I.
Edit: the one time in the past year when I was really annoyed with the write speed of the A7rII, it was a rare occasion when I had put the camera into Uncompressed RAW mode, which I almost never do, and tried to shoot a series of vertical images for a panorama stitch. Selecting Uncompressed RAW slowed things down to the point where it just wasn't feasible, and I had to switch back to Compressed.
p.71 #16 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Just like to hear your impressions on operational speed and such.
Check EFSC switch is at least able to go in Fn. myself coming from the A9 I’m used to most everything it has but A7rII folks may want to know any IQ stuff you can pick up on.
