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p.69 #1 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


@Fred - You mentioned a few days ago that you regretted selling the Lox 35. Is that because there are times that you'd prefer it over the 40/1.2?


Feb 10, 2018 at 11:53 PM
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p.69 #2 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


To add I think it’s the most modern unique lenses we have seen In The native mount. It’s like two lenses in one.


Feb 10, 2018 at 11:54 PM
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p.69 #3 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


It looks great for sure best of luck in your swap. I find myself using it for concert footage alot and the extra reach helps me. Would love both and more of course!

RobertHolloway wrote:
Funny, I'm selling my Mitakon 50mm f 0.95 to finance this lens. The shots on this thread completely convinced me re IQ and I think 40mm will be more useful for me than 50mm. Mitakon is also about 700g. I do love my Mitakon though.





Feb 11, 2018 at 12:08 AM
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p.69 #4 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


I preordered a copy as well and intend to replace my CV 1.7/35 with it. A bit too close to the CV65 but the versatility thanks to the wide aperture and relatively compact size should more than make up for that.


Feb 11, 2018 at 06:04 AM
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p.69 #5 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Great Phillip! It's great glass. Main problem is that my other lenses get not much used any more, at least for the moment...


Feb 11, 2018 at 07:14 AM
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p.69 #6 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Thanks Fred, very thorough comparison and a good case to replace the 35 and 50 (at least for me) and have the 55 that I’m hesitant to sell for the occasions where I want AF. Think I might have to grab one and shoot them all side by side at least and see what sticks.

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They are very different lenses...
The Lox 35 Biogon has pretty much no distortion and the CV 40 has noticeable pincushion shaped distortion.
I find that the Lox 35's OOF rendering improves as the lens is stopped down and that does not happen with the CV 40 which is best wide open.
OOF rendering and transition zone for the CV 40 is similar to Zeiss 50/1.5C ZM for those who love the ZM's rendering.

Towards the corners, the CV 40 wins by a large margin. It only needs f/4 for the corners while the Loxia needs a couple more stops. Micro-contrast is
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Feb 11, 2018 at 09:39 AM
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p.69 #7 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


I will keep my Loxia 35. It has got qualities that the Nokton doesn't, such as lower LCA, lower (none?) fringing, no distortion and nicer bokeh stopped down a bit. I don't mind the glow at f/2, unless shooting at or near infinity, and the bokeh is seldom a problem even if it can be terrible (but that goes for the Nokton as well).

The Loxia 50 is going though, but that's because I don't know how to use a 50 mm lens.



Feb 11, 2018 at 10:08 AM
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p.69 #8 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Phillip Reeve wrote:
I preordered a copy as well and intend to replace my CV 1.7/35 with it. A bit too close to the CV65 but the versatility thanks to the wide aperture and relatively compact size should more than make up for that.


I use both a lot and think of them as wide angle and telephoto...although barely.



Feb 11, 2018 at 11:30 AM
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p.69 #9 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
@Fred@ - You mentioned a few days ago that you regretted selling the Lox 35. Is that because there are times that you'd prefer it over the 40/1.2?


I regretted selling my Lox 35/2 for a while but that was because it was replaced by the CV 35/1.7 + 5m. I really liked the latter but aside from having superior flare resistance, it didn't improve much over the Loxia and I prefer staying native. It's probably a better lens on a Leica body though. The PCX greatly mitigated field curvature but not to a point where it was better than the Loxia at f/8 towards the corners. If it wasn't for the 40/1.2 Nokton, I would probably go back to the Lox 35/2.



Feb 11, 2018 at 11:35 AM
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p.69 #10 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Makten wrote:
I will keep my Loxia 35. It has got qualities that the Nokton doesn't, such as lower LCA, lower (none?) fringing, no distortion and nicer bokeh stopped down a bit. I don't mind the glow at f/2, unless shooting at or near infinity, and the bokeh is seldom a problem even if it can be terrible (but that goes for the Nokton as well).

The Loxia 50 is going though, but that's because I don't know how to use a 50 mm lens.


Good point on axial CA (LCA) Makten, where is more of an issue with the CV 40 wide open. However, it greatly improves when approaching the Loxia's largest aperture.

The Loxia 35/2's bokeh at mid-distance looks nice and smooth at about f/3.2 but then, there's isn't much blur.

I also forgot to mention that the Lox 35 is superior regarding specular highlights rendering. The inner disk is much cleaner with no hints of onion pattern, thanks to the absence of aspheric elements.



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p.69 #11 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Quick report on the Elpro 4 vs. f=2m Proxar for improving up close sharpness wide open on the 40/1/2CV.

First, at close distances (0.5 to 2 meters) nailing the focus wide open using either the EVF or rear LCD is incredibly hard. The focus that gives you max. contrast (least axial color) is NOT the sharpest focus and I think this is what can cause some focus accuracy issues. Sharpest focus appears to actually be where there is a fair amount of green axial color. Magenta axial color is not nearly as sharp.

Second, since I could not get an extremely patient live subject that would stay perfectly still for the good part of an hour, I used a ISO 12233 Test Chart printed to 13x19 size taped to a convenient wall. Did not care too much about parallelism to the focal plane of the camera since I was just interested in certain points on the test chart that I focused against. Still I had the test chart pretty parallel to the camera sensor.

Third, my up close test methodology was flawed in theory, but easy in practice as I first selected a focus distance (0.5m, 1m, and 2m) w/o any macro add-on lens and used a macro slider to adjust the focus. I then kept the camera at the same distance from the test target and re-focused to evaluate IQ. The better way to do this would be to have the same test target image sizes for each condition, which is the way one would actually use such an add-on lenses, but the image sizes were pretty close.

I evaluated sharpness dead center and 1/2 way to the right border of the frame for each lens condition and re-focused each time to remove field curvature effects.

So what's the upshot of all of this, short of showing images to back up what I'm about to say:

@2m Center
Naked 40/1.2 - extremely good, but hard to focus
Proxar - (needed focusing at infinity mark on lens) was great - no secondary color
Elpro 4 - could not focus this far out (as expected)

@2m 1/2 To Right Border
Naked 40/1.2 - OK, definite fall-off in sharpness
Proxar - (needed focusing at infinity mark on lens) was really bad - not sharp and lots of secondary color
Elpro 4 - could not focus this far out (as expected)

@1m Center
Naked 40/1.2 - good, but hard to focus
Proxar - needed to be focused to ~1.9m and was pretty good
Elpro 4 - needed to be focused to ~2.8m and also was pretty good

@1m 1/2 To Right Border
Naked 40/1.2 - OK, definite fall-off in sharpness
Proxar - needed to be focused to ~1.9m and was pretty good (way way better than 2m)
Elpro 4 - needed to be focused to ~2.8m and also was pretty good, about the same as the Proxar

@0.5m Center
Naked 40/1.2 - good, but hard to focus
Proxar - needed to be focused to ~0.6m and was pretty good
Elpro 4 - needed to be focused to ~0.66m and also was pretty good, about the same as the proxar

@0.5m 1/2 To Right Border
Naked 40/1.2 - OK, definite fall-off in sharpness
Proxar - needed to be focused to ~0.6m and was pretty good (way way better than 2m)
Elpro 4 - needed to be focused to ~0.66m and also was pretty good, about the same as the Proxar


So,
For 2m distances the Proxar is great in the center, pretty bad off-center
For 1m distances both the Proxar and Elpro 4 are great in the center and pretty good off-center
For 0.5m distances both the Proxar and Elpro 4 are great in the center and pretty good off-center

From 1m in I did not see a noticeable difference between the Proxar and Elpro 4 with the caveats that I didn't keep the image magnification the same between images.

But the big question is are these worth it over the performance of the naked 40/1.2?
Short answer is only if you are inside of 1-1.5 meters and if very close the Proxar seems to be just about as good as the Elpro.

Consider the above preliminary as hopefully later on today I'll post images to back up my conclusions.

The Proxar -
Pros: Price, multi-coated, short, same OD as lens, can adapt easily back to 58mm filter thread
Cons: Odd size, needs extraction, and a bit of work to get mounted properly. Not good off-center at ~2m subject distance.

Elpro 4 -
Pros: Achromatic doublet, no need to re-mount (unless you can't live with the thickness or OD), good performance across it's max to reasonably close distances.
Cons: Expensive, not multi-coated, 55mm is an odd size for adapter rings, etc., makes the CV noticeably longer



Feb 11, 2018 at 01:47 PM
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p.69 #12 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


jhinkey wrote:
Quick report on the Elpro 4 vs. f=2m Proxar for improving up close sharpness wide open on the 40/1/2CV.

First, at close distances (0.5 to 2 meters) nailing the focus wide open using either the EVF or rear LCD is incredibly hard. The focus that gives you max. contrast (least axial color) is NOT the sharpest focus and I think this is what can cause some focus accuracy issues. Sharpest focus appears to actually be where there is a fair amount of green axial color. Magenta axial color is not nearly as sharp.

Second, since I could not get an extremely patient
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Thanks for posting your results. I know this is a lot of work!
Is there any chance that your Proxar lens was not perfectly aligned on the Vivitar enclosure and that caused the degradation towards the corner?



Feb 11, 2018 at 03:13 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
Thanks for posting your results. I know this is a lot of work!
Is there any chance that your Proxar lens was not perfectly aligned on the Vivitar enclosure and that caused the degradation towards the corner?


Potentially, but I modified my mounting technique to help ensure pretty good axial alignment. I used some soft-ish hook-up wire as a temporary o-ring that squishes out when the retaining ring squeezes down on it and centers the lens element. Today I got some o-ring stock that should work much better and will re-mount it.

I would consider the above results very preliminary and could be complete nonsense upon more careful testing, especially with a live subject.

Proxar non-centering (either tilting or optical axis not being co-linear with the lens axis) and non-optimal distance from the front element could be issues, but I did not get a chance to check them out. Also, some of these add-on lenses perform better reversed, which I can easily do, but have not yet done. It's hard to get the Proxar closer. The Elpro 4 could be un-mounted an re-mounted closer to the front element with a little bit of work.

I did use the Proxar yesterday with my niece - the on-axis shots looked quite good while the off-axis did not and perhaps I now know why. Took a few with the Elpro, but she's pretty fidgety . .



Feb 11, 2018 at 03:40 PM
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p.69 #14 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Thank you for posting about your findings. No surprises there but the Proxar results are new, at least to me.
Maybe you can describe the difference between "good" and "pretty good"?



Feb 11, 2018 at 04:00 PM
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p.69 #15 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


Jonas B wrote:
Thank you for posting about your findings. No surprises there but the Proxar results are new, at least to me.
Maybe you can describe the difference between "good" and "pretty good"?


I plan to let the images do the talking and I may have to modify my text . . . later tonight.



Feb 11, 2018 at 04:35 PM
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p.69 #16 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


This type of shot is why I got this lens. Foggy night, no moon to speak of. Wide open, of course!


Untitled by optic.nervous, on Flickr



Feb 11, 2018 at 09:34 PM
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jhinkey wrote:
I plan to let the images do the talking and I may have to modify my text . . . later tonight.


I got a Proxar 2m and will test this as well. Have not decided on how to mount it though...That Heliopan 58mm to B60 adapter would be great but very hard to find.



Feb 11, 2018 at 09:39 PM
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p.69 #18 · Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 Nokton Review


This is 100% meant as a compliment, but .....you guys have gone through the weeds, under the fence and are off into the wilderness. I simply love this forum. And yup, the Nokton 40/1.2 will be with me in March... such restraint :-)


Feb 11, 2018 at 09:48 PM
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DannyBurkPhoto wrote:
I wondered about the "odds" too. I hope I'll get a good one on the first try; I'll report findings here.

I also like the Lox 35, which is one of the main reasons that I hesitated to get the 40/1.2 for a long time. After looking again at the latter's rendering in samples here, I decided that it's quite different, and of course it's 1.5 stops faster too. I'll see what I think when I have a chance to compare them, and if it turns out that they're closer than expected, it's not impossible that I decide to let go
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If it helps console you any, I sold a camera and a guitar to buy this lens. I don't have tons of loot, only do paid photo work once in a blue moon and am 90% self-employed and raising a toddler. I put quite a few eggs in this basket, so to speak. Mr Gandy posted a used copy, and I have great faith in his reputation, despite being a bit flinchy about reading conflicting reports on QC at Voigtlander, so I went for it. Seriously - have you ever tried calling B and H and had the owner personally answer your call? Yeah, didn't think so. This guy is awesome - I read most of the musings on his site before pulling the trigger - he GETS it, man.

The lens arrived looking beautiful. I didn't even have to pixel peep on my monitor or take a single shot - just looking through the EVF I could tell how amazing this lens was. The colors pop and you can see a ripple of the griity in-focus area as you rotate the gorgeous knurled barrel. There's no glow and not enough CA to bother me. It vignettes wide open with in-camera corrections turned off, but I'm actually into that.

No regrets.

Is it mayyyyybe a bit heavier and bulkier than I'd like? Sure, but I'm coming from Fuji and a Pentax MX, which are both about as tiny as you can go without a fixed lens or a red dot. Besides, I no longer carry 28/35/50 - just 40 and 28 if I am feeling like something a little wider.

Doooo ittttt.



Feb 11, 2018 at 10:04 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I got a Proxar 2m and will test this as well. Have not decided on how to mount it though...That Heliopan 58mm to B60 adapter would be great but very hard to find.


Not sure how different it is to the B60 Proxar 1m in terms of size, but what worked great for me is a 67mm-62mm step-down ring, lens into that, then a 67mm-52mm step-up ring screwed into that. The retaining ring from the Proxar fits into the step-down ring perfectly on top of the lens, and then the 67-52mm screws that all together tight.

That said, not seeing much difference with the 1m, which is not surprising. Just had one laying around.

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