sungphoto wrote:
Can't lie, the specs are drool worthy on the D850 but I see nothing about the camera that would justify switching from my Canon 5dm4 bodies.
Main reasons being:
1) Love my canon glass
2) Prefer Canon color science. Yes you can tweak files to get closer to Canon color, but I personally would rather spend more time shooting and less time in post. Boring sounding things like AWB-W are very useful as well when shooting in mixed lighting
2) My 5dm4 bodies have around 50-60k actuations on them in the past 3-4 months, and have been dropped, banged against doorways, rained on, etc and have been extremely reliable. Nikon's QC issues the last few years make me pretty hesitant to gamble on a wholly new camera.
3) 30mp is a great sweet spot for my shooting/post/storage workflow, having owned 16/21/24/36/42/50 mp cameras. The RAWs have more than enough latitude to push in post. Seriously, if you routinely under or over expose files by more than 1.5-2 stops, then it's the tool behind the camera that's the issue.
4) DPAF is something I use every day, especially for my commercial work where I have to do the typical overhead, tight, low, and over-shoulder perspective shots where it's a little awkward to get that close to talent, and Nikon's implementation of live view AF still apparently lags behind....Show more →
I would never abandon Canon, so if I went for the D850 it would be more to replace my 5DsR/1DXII. 5D4 is a superb camera despite all the forum jockey’s making crap claims without ever having seen one let alone used one. Specs of D850 are superb except for one glaring omission, no on sensor PDAF making a mockery of the otherwise excellent 4K video features and quality. Canon’s DPAF is a huge improvement for video and I can’t believe Nikon still haven’t got a solution. Funnily enough they have just released a DPAF patent, so it’s coming and I’ll bet it’s going to appear in their mirrorless camera next year.
Before I decide on any course of action I’m waiting to see what Sony brings to the table. Plenty of strong rumours about A9R, and what will A7RIII have. I suspect it’ll get many features of the A9, heck A7III will be an A9 lite, same AF and sensor, just shoot much slower. AT least with the Sony I can bring my Canon glass across and now Sony has some superb FE glass like the 12-24 and 16-35 f/2.8 that would be very tempting. Give me a 10-12 fps 42MP+ camera, with full e-shutter, A9 AF, combined with Sony’s excellent DR and it would be very compelling. They will also announce a 400 f/2.8 or 400 f/4 in next 3-6 months.
Exciting times, and I hope Canon responds by making the 5DsII the camera that can challenge the D850 in all areas, that would satisfy my needs perfectly.
Agree, exciting times - ultimately I think the increased popularity of photography, and competition between the brands will hopefully benefit the consumers in terms of some really great kit.
At this point, I see no reason to use Sony again for my professional kit again. Almost nothing about the A9 and A7rii offers a benefit for my commercial, advertising and portrait work.
I certainly don't miss stressing out about constantly swapping out my batteries on an 8-10 hour long shoot.
If Sony and third party glass manufacturers hadn't for the most part abandoned A-mount, the A99ii is a sadly underappreciated camera and ticks pretty much every box for me, but scrounging for ancient overpriced a-mount glass and not having really any kind of support from rental houses doesn't work for me.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Exciting times, and I hope Canon responds by making the 5DsII the camera that can challenge the D850 in all areas, that would satisfy my needs perfectly.
I'm a pro and love my high-end Canon lenses and 5D IV bodies. BUT! But if I was starting over, I would be giving a long, hard look at Nikon's 850. That appears to be a hell of a camera at a reasonable price.
Looking about the internet, it appears that the D850 is auto-focusing very well in real-world low-light conditions, including night-time wildlife, fulfilling that part of its early promise. AF tracking of fast-moving subjects is not fully up to D5 performance. As the former is much more important to me than the latter, the D850 remains a serious temptation, which may allow me to cross the heavier, more-costly D5* from my wish list, or relegate it to a lower priority. I already shoot with both Canon and Nikon, so would not be “switching.” (I love specific Canon and Nikon lenses too much to be likely to settle upon either, to the exclusion of the other. My “gateway” to Nikon was using a Novoflex EOS-NIK adapter, to enable sharing Nikkors with my Nikon-shooting wife. I later added Nikon SLRs.)
I do not need the D850’s high MP, but can live with it, already being familiar with my 5Ds R.
*I am getting old enough for weight to have an increasing effect, so even though my hands still love the heft and ergonomics of top-tier pro bodies, my feet and knees are less resilient.
I like the specs on the D850 and it appears to be an awesome body, but I'm too deep into Canon glass. Buying this body with Nikon glass would be redundant, unless I sell off my gear... which I don't want to do.
The new AR7 lll is another attractive body with the ability to use Canon glass with a MB adapter (a big plus)... at 10FPS. I'll keep an eye on the reviews and may ADD one rather then having to switch.
In a perfect world, I'd have at least one of each :-)
David Garcia wrote:
I like the specs on the D850 and it appears to be an awesome body, but I'm too deep into Canon glass. Buying this body with Nikon glass would be redundant, unless I sell off my gear... which I don't want to do.
The new AR7 lll is another attractive body with the ability to use Canon glass with a MB adapter (a big plus)... at 10FPS. I'll keep an eye on the reviews and may ADD one rather then having to switch.
In a perfect world, I'd have at least one of each :-)
I have the 5DsR and I'd take even 8 fps in the next iteration.
I also have the Canon 200-400 and the 600II with both v3 extenders.
Hard to beat all of that lens inventory anywhere else. And I haven't even mentioned the DO lens from Canon.
But I am more and more looking at what Sony is doing. Wondering about the AF with adapted lenses from Canon on the Sony though. I'm a sports photographer and it's a challenge.
dugaut wrote:
I have the 5DsR and I'd take even 8 fps in the next iteration.
I also have the Canon 200-400 and the 600II with both v3 extenders.
Hard to beat all of that lens inventory anywhere else. And I haven't even mentioned the DO lens from Canon.
But I am more and more looking at what Sony is doing. Wondering about the AF with adapted lenses from Canon on the Sony though. I'm a sports photographer and it's a challenge.
I've put a pre-order with the local shop for an a7r3 to use with a mc-11 adapter and my current canon lenses - going to hold onto the canon body as a back up to start and keep a foot in both camps to start. Mostly keen to see whether the adapted lenses give the similar/same performance as native ones, in terms of fps and af speed for moving objects.
It's a bit easier for what I do,landscapes don't tend to move much, but I do like trying wildlife shots on occasion.
If canon can pull off an 9 frame per second 5dsr with useable 4k (even just a smaller codec for space as well as the mjpeg), with a competitive sensor, then I'd give it a look. The lenses are the selling point for canon currently for me, and that it's expensive to change in one go
It is true if you are a canon user (as the primary system), the A7r3 is more attractive than the D850. I sold my A7r after 2 years using and I believe the A7r3 is more mature now and considering to give it a try again
Don't expect more than 6 fps from the Canon 5DS II. Hoping for faster is just wasting time and a recipe for disappointment. 60 MP, 6 fps and improved dynamic range will be it. Faster frame rates will come in a Canon FF mirrorless, but not at that resolution. Canon mirrorless will not have IBIS. You can safely plan your purchases based on this, although I am not an insider. But I have been in the game for a while and am a realistic Canon friend and user, knowing the strengths and limitations.
alundeb wrote:
Don't expect more than 6 fps from the Canon 5DS II. Hoping for faster is just wasting time and a recipe for disappointment. 60 MP, 6 fps and improved dynamic range will be it. Faster frame rates will come in a Canon FF mirrorless, but not at that resolution. Canon mirrorless will not have IBIS. You can safely plan your purchases based on this, although I am not an insider. But I have been in the game for a while and am a realistic Canon friend and user, knowing the strengths and limitations.
I agree with this. They only just gave us 7FPS on a "measly" 30MP sensor so 6FPS will be the number for the 5DSR2. Rumours already say that resolution is only going up slightly so 60MP is a good bet also.
One thing I think is for sure is there won't be a 5DS2, only 5DSR2.
The majority of my gear is Canon and I have absolutely no interest in the new D850 or the A7RIII. However there will be some interest in the D810 or the A7RII if prices keep coming down.
arbitrage wrote:
I agree with this. They only just gave us 7FPS on a "measly" 30MP sensor so 6FPS will be the number for the 5DSR2. Rumours already say that resolution is only going up slightly so 60MP is a good bet also.
One thing I think is for sure is there won't be a 5DS2, only 5DSR2.
I could imagine Canon to provide at least 7fps with 60Mp, iff the price rises clearly to separate it from the 5div body, including a few other gimmicks. The 5div could face a price decrease also. Canon will surely look at the D850 and A7riii and knows that they need to provide something compelling, to bridge the gap until they will provide pro mirrorless options and to counter Sony's an Nikon's offerings. With adapters getting better, the A7riii is already a compelling alternative for quite a few, esp. since it now has two card slots and improved AF, two main points of critique. So to separate it 60MP would be a minimum requirement (keeping 50 won't distinguish it enough from Nikon). 7 fps (hard to say whether 8fps in 12 bit mode are viable) would be another. Improved DPAF with touch and smaller focus area, articulating screen additional assets which could make it a great camera, unless the old chip design were still used.
Providing only 5fps with 50MP, I don't know whether this would still the lust of many shooters here, who want a mix of d5 and A9 + resolution of 5dsr for everything, mostly for posting on facebook (ironic, here).
Cadaver wrote:
The majority of my gear is Canon and I have absolutely no interest in the new D850 or the A7RIII. However there will be some interest in the D810 or the A7RII if prices keep coming down.
The good thing is you can use your Canon gear on the Sony. Much cheaper than switching to Nikon.
arbitrage wrote:
I agree with this. They only just gave us 7FPS on a "measly" 30MP sensor so 6FPS will be the number for the 5DSR2. Rumours already say that resolution is only going up slightly so 60MP is a good bet also.
One thing I think is for sure is there won't be a 5DS2, only 5DSR2.
Canon likes to swim against the tide, I'm sure they don't care about the specs of the D850 or A7RIII, and could easily offer 5fps again if it's 60MP, but they would be stupid to keep their head stuck up their arse any longer. Dual digic 7 is easily capable of 7fps @ 60MP, and if they could finally offer a DX mode that allowed increased fps, I'm sure we'd be more than happy even if FF mode was only 6fps. Not holding my breath and I'll swap my 5DsR for an A7RIII use 90% of my Canon lenses and grab a few native FE lenses. If 5DsII surprises us and is a D850 killer, I can just sell my 5D4 and 1DX. But I'll never be a one camera person again. Already have the D500 and adding the A7RIII (or maybe there's an A9R) coming won't bother me.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Canon likes to swim against the tide, I'm sure they don't care about the specs of the D850 or A7RIII, and could easily offer 5fps again if it's 60MP, but they would be stupid to keep their head stuck up their arse any longer. Dual digic 7 is easily capable of 7fps @ 60MP, and if they could finally offer a DX mode that allowed increased fps, I'm sure we'd be more than happy even if FF mode was only 6fps. Not holding my breath and I'll swap my 5DsR for an A7RIII use 90% of my Canon lenses and grab a few native FE lenses. If 5DsII surprises us and is a D850 killer, I can just sell my 5D4 and 1DX. But I'll never be a one camera person again. Already have the D500 and adding the A7RIII (or maybe there's an A9R) coming won't bother me....Show more →
Like me you are already one foot into the Nikon camp....D850 is just the next step
I almost bought an A7r, then almost bought an A7R2, then almost bought an A9, then almost bought a A72....now I'm most interested in an A73....I only want 20-24MP but with rear joystick, bigger battery, new menus and other things the A7R3 and A9 have now....then I will adapt my Canon wider lenses and use that for travel. But for birds there is no way I would go Sony at this point. Can't wait to see the price on that 400 f/2.8 GM....my guess is $15,000....
